Thread Tools
Old August 31, 2002, 06:13   #31
moomin
Alpha Centauri Democracy GameACDG Planet University of TechnologyACDG The Cybernetic Consciousness
King
 
moomin's Avatar
 
Local Time: 08:04
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Moo Like In Moomin
Posts: 1,579
Do we know what techs we start with? Will formers and tanks be available at all? Otherwise many of these queue suggestions are moot.
__________________
"The number of political murders was a little under one million (800,000 - 900,000)." - chegitz guevara on the history of the USSR.
"I think the real figures probably are about a million or less." - David Irving on the number of Holocaust victims.
moomin is offline  
Old August 31, 2002, 08:13   #32
Archaic
Alpha Centauri Democracy GameAlpha Centauri PBEMNationStatesACDG The Cybernetic ConsciousnessACDG3 MorganACDG Planet University of Technology
Emperor
 
Archaic's Avatar
 
Local Time: 17:04
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Washed up SMAC/X University Specialist
Posts: 3,022
Why do we need an extra scout? The Independant Scout will serve us well enough to start with, and I'm sure we'll manage at least 1 Unity Rover pop at some point. Building so many things so soon when we have so few minerals is a waste.
__________________
Veni Vidi Castravi Illegitimos
Archaic is offline  
Old August 31, 2002, 09:56   #33
Method
ACDG The Cybernetic ConsciousnessACDG Planet University of TechnologyACDG The Human HiveACDG PeaceACDG3 Data AngelsACDG3 GaiansACDG3 MorganACDG3 SpartansAlpha Centauri Democracy GameACDG3 CMNs
Emperor
 
Method's Avatar
 
Local Time: 04:04
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Feb 2001
Posts: 4,783
Quote:
Originally posted by moomin
Do we know what techs we start with? Will formers and tanks be available at all? Otherwise many of these queue suggestions are moot.
we start with biogenetic (tanks) and centauri ecology will be our first tech for formers.

maybe the HQ can build a pod first, but after that

formers/pod/scout/pod/facilities OR SP's.

as the vel guide says, it's important to get the formers out as soon as possible planting forest, so we can get our pods out faster relative to our opponents. and it's true.

EDIT: i just checked my monument thing, and i finished the WP in 2152.

Last edited by Method; August 31, 2002 at 12:05.
Method is offline  
Old August 31, 2002, 16:30   #34
lucky22
Alpha Centauri Democracy GameApolyton Storywriters' Guild
Prince
 
lucky22's Avatar
 
Local Time: 07:04
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Oregon
Posts: 386
How many established bases before committing to an SP such as the WP?
lucky22 is offline  
Old August 31, 2002, 16:36   #35
Method
ACDG The Cybernetic ConsciousnessACDG Planet University of TechnologyACDG The Human HiveACDG PeaceACDG3 Data AngelsACDG3 GaiansACDG3 MorganACDG3 SpartansAlpha Centauri Democracy GameACDG3 CMNs
Emperor
 
Method's Avatar
 
Local Time: 04:04
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Feb 2001
Posts: 4,783
1st base-pod/former/scout/WP
2nd base (free pod)-former/pod/scout/HGP
3rd base (1st base's pod)-former/pod/pod OR scout/VW
continue like that.

to answer your question, 3.
Method is offline  
Old September 1, 2002, 01:09   #36
GeneralTacticus
Alpha Centauri Democracy GameAlpha Centauri PBEMPtWDG RoleplayNationStatesInterSite Democracy Game: Apolyton TeamCivilization III PBEMApolyton Storywriters' GuildACDG3 Spartans
Emperor
 
GeneralTacticus's Avatar
 
Local Time: 18:04
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: of Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 6,851
I assume you intend to build a garrison before starting on the rest of the queue?
GeneralTacticus is offline  
Old September 1, 2002, 09:36   #37
MrWhereItsAt
Alpha Centauri Democracy GameCivilization II Democracy GamePtWDG RoleplayAlpha Centauri PBEMSpanish CiversCall to Power Democracy GameCivilization II Democracy Game: Red FrontPtWDG2 Latin LoversACDG The Cybernetic ConsciousnessCivilization III PBEMC3C IDG: Apolyton TeamACDG Planet University of TechnologyACDG3 GaiansC3CDG The Lost BoysCivilization III Democracy GameInterSite Democracy Game: Apolyton Team
Deity
 
MrWhereItsAt's Avatar
 
Local Time: 19:04
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: That's DR WhereItsAt...
Posts: 10,157
Thank you, Archaic - I didn't remember that scout.

How about this then:

Garrison/CP/Former (when we can)/Scout

I think we need another scout in case the first gets wormed and so we can explore two directions simultaneously. I maintain that an early CP is vital and a former as soon as we can is alos a damn good idea. Tanks come soon after this lot.
__________________
Consul.

Back to the ROOTS of addiction. My first missed poll!
MrWhereItsAt is offline  
Old September 1, 2002, 09:46   #38
Archaic
Alpha Centauri Democracy GameAlpha Centauri PBEMNationStatesACDG The Cybernetic ConsciousnessACDG3 MorganACDG Planet University of Technology
Emperor
 
Archaic's Avatar
 
Local Time: 17:04
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Washed up SMAC/X University Specialist
Posts: 3,022
We're near the Unity Wreckage. Let's make use of the Mining Laser (Which may possibily Independant if we're lucky) and the Unity Scout Chopper. No need for extra scouts afterall.
__________________
Veni Vidi Castravi Illegitimos
Archaic is offline  
Old September 1, 2002, 09:54   #39
MrWhereItsAt
Alpha Centauri Democracy GameCivilization II Democracy GamePtWDG RoleplayAlpha Centauri PBEMSpanish CiversCall to Power Democracy GameCivilization II Democracy Game: Red FrontPtWDG2 Latin LoversACDG The Cybernetic ConsciousnessCivilization III PBEMC3C IDG: Apolyton TeamACDG Planet University of TechnologyACDG3 GaiansC3CDG The Lost BoysCivilization III Democracy GameInterSite Democracy Game: Apolyton Team
Deity
 
MrWhereItsAt's Avatar
 
Local Time: 19:04
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: That's DR WhereItsAt...
Posts: 10,157
Damn - we chose the Planet map? Well that's so much less everything...
OK -scouts are less important - some of us know where everything is. My queue stands - that should be a dozen turns or more easily.
__________________
Consul.

Back to the ROOTS of addiction. My first missed poll!
MrWhereItsAt is offline  
Old September 1, 2002, 10:18   #40
Method
ACDG The Cybernetic ConsciousnessACDG Planet University of TechnologyACDG The Human HiveACDG PeaceACDG3 Data AngelsACDG3 GaiansACDG3 MorganACDG3 SpartansAlpha Centauri Democracy GameACDG3 CMNs
Emperor
 
Method's Avatar
 
Local Time: 04:04
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Feb 2001
Posts: 4,783
no unity wreckage on SMAC map. only SMAX.
Method is offline  
Old September 1, 2002, 10:22   #41
Archaic
Alpha Centauri Democracy GameAlpha Centauri PBEMNationStatesACDG The Cybernetic ConsciousnessACDG3 MorganACDG Planet University of Technology
Emperor
 
Archaic's Avatar
 
Local Time: 17:04
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Washed up SMAC/X University Specialist
Posts: 3,022
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the wreckage there anyway in SMAC so long as the SMAX expansion is installed alongside it?
__________________
Veni Vidi Castravi Illegitimos
Archaic is offline  
Old September 1, 2002, 10:28   #42
Method
ACDG The Cybernetic ConsciousnessACDG Planet University of TechnologyACDG The Human HiveACDG PeaceACDG3 Data AngelsACDG3 GaiansACDG3 MorganACDG3 SpartansAlpha Centauri Democracy GameACDG3 CMNs
Emperor
 
Method's Avatar
 
Local Time: 04:04
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Feb 2001
Posts: 4,783
no.

(and i tested it)
Method is offline  
Old September 2, 2002, 03:11   #43
Zakharov VII
Warlord
 
Zakharov VII's Avatar
 
Local Time: 23:04
Local Date: October 31, 2010
Join Date: Sep 2001
Posts: 160
Quote:
Originally posted by Archaic
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the wreckage there anyway in SMAC so long as the SMAX expansion is installed alongside it?
The "no" answer makes sense - what would happen to all the SMACers that loaded the game ?

I'll go with Garrison/CP/Former for our first base, though I don't like more Scouts...

Z
Zakharov VII is offline  
Old September 2, 2002, 08:08   #44
MrWhereItsAt
Alpha Centauri Democracy GameCivilization II Democracy GamePtWDG RoleplayAlpha Centauri PBEMSpanish CiversCall to Power Democracy GameCivilization II Democracy Game: Red FrontPtWDG2 Latin LoversACDG The Cybernetic ConsciousnessCivilization III PBEMC3C IDG: Apolyton TeamACDG Planet University of TechnologyACDG3 GaiansC3CDG The Lost BoysCivilization III Democracy GameInterSite Democracy Game: Apolyton Team
Deity
 
MrWhereItsAt's Avatar
 
Local Time: 19:04
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: That's DR WhereItsAt...
Posts: 10,157
Do you think that we will play far enough in the first set of turns to worry about the fourth build?

Until I get any grave concerns, my decision for the queue is as I mentioned before:

Garrison/Colony Pod/Former (when we have the tech)/Scout

Base2 - well we will need to start a poll on the base location when a few turns of exploring are done with, but let's get discussion going now.

Should the first things this base builds be any different? Garrison/CP/Former again (just no Scout)?

I am not fully au fait with the specific early game strategies - is there some base specialisation that is worth considering? For instance if it is a good enough site, would Garrison/some SP be considered a good idea in our cases?
__________________
Consul.

Back to the ROOTS of addiction. My first missed poll!
MrWhereItsAt is offline  
Old September 2, 2002, 08:15   #45
Archaic
Alpha Centauri Democracy GameAlpha Centauri PBEMNationStatesACDG The Cybernetic ConsciousnessACDG3 MorganACDG Planet University of Technology
Emperor
 
Archaic's Avatar
 
Local Time: 17:04
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Washed up SMAC/X University Specialist
Posts: 3,022
I should've said patch 4 installed in retrospect, since I know they added the certain landmarks at that time. But oh well, if it's not there, it's not there.
__________________
Veni Vidi Castravi Illegitimos
Archaic is offline  
Old September 2, 2002, 09:53   #46
Method
ACDG The Cybernetic ConsciousnessACDG Planet University of TechnologyACDG The Human HiveACDG PeaceACDG3 Data AngelsACDG3 GaiansACDG3 MorganACDG3 SpartansAlpha Centauri Democracy GameACDG3 CMNs
Emperor
 
Method's Avatar
 
Local Time: 04:04
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Feb 2001
Posts: 4,783
Quote:
Originally posted by Zakharov VII
The "no" answer makes sense - what would happen to all the SMACers that loaded the game ?
with SMAX, you have the choice of SMAX or SMAC. so when you play SMAC, the unity wreckage isn't there. if the turn was a SMAX file, people with SMAC couldn't play it (the game crashes or something)
Method is offline  
Old September 2, 2002, 11:31   #47
Maniac
Alpha Centauri Democracy GameC4DG Team Alpha CentauriansACDG The Cybernetic ConsciousnessACDG Planet University of TechnologyPolyCast TeamACDG3 Spartans
 
Maniac's Avatar
 
Local Time: 09:04
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Gent, Belgium
Posts: 10,712
Quote:
Originally posted by Archaic
I should've said patch 4 installed in retrospect, since I know they added the certain landmarks at that time. But oh well, if it's not there, it's not there.
The Borehole and The Manifold Nexus should be on the map if DE has SMAC 4.0. I don't think though if there are a bunch of monoliths put around them. That might be an addition of the SMAX map.
__________________
Contraria sunt Complementa. -- Niels Bohr
Mods: SMAniaC (SMAC) & Planetfall (Civ4)
Maniac is offline  
Old September 2, 2002, 11:34   #48
Method
ACDG The Cybernetic ConsciousnessACDG Planet University of TechnologyACDG The Human HiveACDG PeaceACDG3 Data AngelsACDG3 GaiansACDG3 MorganACDG3 SpartansAlpha Centauri Democracy GameACDG3 CMNs
Emperor
 
Method's Avatar
 
Local Time: 04:04
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Feb 2001
Posts: 4,783
the only landmarks that should not appear are fossil field ridge and UNS Unity Wreckage. borehole cluster and manifold nexus are in SMAC V4.0.
Method is offline  
Old September 2, 2002, 11:34   #49
DeathByTheSword
ACDG Planet University of TechnologyACDG The Cybernetic ConsciousnessAlpha Centauri Democracy GameACDG3 Spartans
King
 
DeathByTheSword's Avatar
 
Local Time: 07:04
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: soon to be a major religion
Posts: 2,845
the manifold nexus isnt placed on the map i think that purely smax right?
__________________
Bunnies!
Welcome to the DBTSverse!
God, Allah, boedha, siva, the stars, tealeaves and the palm of you hand. If you are so desperately looking for something to believe in GO FIND A MIRROR
'Space05us is just a stupid nice guy' - Space05us
DeathByTheSword is offline  
Old September 2, 2002, 11:37   #50
Method
ACDG The Cybernetic ConsciousnessACDG Planet University of TechnologyACDG The Human HiveACDG PeaceACDG3 Data AngelsACDG3 GaiansACDG3 MorganACDG3 SpartansAlpha Centauri Democracy GameACDG3 CMNs
Emperor
 
Method's Avatar
 
Local Time: 04:04
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Feb 2001
Posts: 4,783
as far as i know, its on the eastern part of the middle continent in SMAC too (though i don't recall the borehole cluster in SMAC. it's on the big continent west of upland wastes.)
Method is offline  
Old September 2, 2002, 11:41   #51
DeathByTheSword
ACDG Planet University of TechnologyACDG The Cybernetic ConsciousnessAlpha Centauri Democracy GameACDG3 Spartans
King
 
DeathByTheSword's Avatar
 
Local Time: 07:04
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: soon to be a major religion
Posts: 2,845
i know the cluster is there but the manifold I am not sure of

TKG see my EDITED post in the topped un constitution
__________________
Bunnies!
Welcome to the DBTSverse!
God, Allah, boedha, siva, the stars, tealeaves and the palm of you hand. If you are so desperately looking for something to believe in GO FIND A MIRROR
'Space05us is just a stupid nice guy' - Space05us
DeathByTheSword is offline  
Old September 2, 2002, 11:48   #52
Maniac
Alpha Centauri Democracy GameC4DG Team Alpha CentauriansACDG The Cybernetic ConsciousnessACDG Planet University of TechnologyPolyCast TeamACDG3 Spartans
 
Maniac's Avatar
 
Local Time: 09:04
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Gent, Belgium
Posts: 10,712
Zakharov VII:

Quote:
I disagree. We need to plan in advance, so that correct decisions can be made on hurrying. And we should definately be hurrying quite a bit, especially if we can get on Free Market.
You have been telling yourself we won't be hurrying anything in the first few years. For the first few builds I would personally post a seperate poll. Only when we have a few bases, fixed build queues should become common practice.

However, I see MrWhereItsAt has already chosen his build queue without even posting an official poll. So much for the democracy game.
__________________
Contraria sunt Complementa. -- Niels Bohr
Mods: SMAniaC (SMAC) & Planetfall (Civ4)
Maniac is offline  
Old September 2, 2002, 11:50   #53
DeathByTheSword
ACDG Planet University of TechnologyACDG The Cybernetic ConsciousnessAlpha Centauri Democracy GameACDG3 Spartans
King
 
DeathByTheSword's Avatar
 
Local Time: 07:04
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: soon to be a major religion
Posts: 2,845
well maniac is right about the posting of polls but the most people will agree on it I THINK.

when are the next couple of turns played anyways?
__________________
Bunnies!
Welcome to the DBTSverse!
God, Allah, boedha, siva, the stars, tealeaves and the palm of you hand. If you are so desperately looking for something to believe in GO FIND A MIRROR
'Space05us is just a stupid nice guy' - Space05us
DeathByTheSword is offline  
Old September 2, 2002, 11:59   #54
Maniac
Alpha Centauri Democracy GameC4DG Team Alpha CentauriansACDG The Cybernetic ConsciousnessACDG Planet University of TechnologyPolyCast TeamACDG3 Spartans
 
Maniac's Avatar
 
Local Time: 09:04
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Gent, Belgium
Posts: 10,712
Well yes I must confess I agree myself with MrWhereItsAt's build queue.
__________________
Contraria sunt Complementa. -- Niels Bohr
Mods: SMAniaC (SMAC) & Planetfall (Civ4)
Maniac is offline  
Old September 2, 2002, 16:21   #55
MrWhereItsAt
Alpha Centauri Democracy GameCivilization II Democracy GamePtWDG RoleplayAlpha Centauri PBEMSpanish CiversCall to Power Democracy GameCivilization II Democracy Game: Red FrontPtWDG2 Latin LoversACDG The Cybernetic ConsciousnessCivilization III PBEMC3C IDG: Apolyton TeamACDG Planet University of TechnologyACDG3 GaiansC3CDG The Lost BoysCivilization III Democracy GameInterSite Democracy Game: Apolyton Team
Deity
 
MrWhereItsAt's Avatar
 
Local Time: 19:04
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: That's DR WhereItsAt...
Posts: 10,157
Well I have seen no disagreements since I posted the proposed queue. Time is running out, and with a poll, it would be
1. Accept this queue or
2. Propose a new one.

Since no-one has done the latter, it is as if the former was accepted. I fully intend to poll, but only if there is more than one option proposed. Things are quite simple now anyway - once we know our environs (beyond immediate environs), it can be better discussed. As it is this is generic, what any old base should do, really.
__________________
Consul.

Back to the ROOTS of addiction. My first missed poll!
MrWhereItsAt is offline  
 

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:04.


Design by Vjacheslav Trushkin, color scheme by ColorizeIt!.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2010, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Apolyton Civilization Site | Copyright © The Apolyton Team