What Heppened to the Island Expedition?

GhengisFarb™ · August 29, 2002, 15:06

EDIT:"Heppened"? Apparently the Heppens are a nation of mercenaries who live in the Mountains and have been hired by the British to exterminate the Americans.

I have several questions. Apparently I was on a whole different plane than the rest of Apolytonia as I thought the Galleys were going to take a settler to the island we just barely see to find out what was there.

Based on posts in the Forum I had understood that a settler and spearman would load onto one of the Galleys (Galley 1) and the other galley (Galley 2) would move out toward the misty island.

Then Galley 1 would move one space unload the settler and spearman onto Galley 2 (assuming it didn't sink) and return to the safety of our coastal shores. Galley 2 would advance with it's new cargo to the misty shore's coastal and we would be guaranteed not to lose a settler.

Questions:
1)The settler has been moved to Apolytonia and it apparently took its whole movement to move 1/3 of a road to get there as it no longer has movement left thus costing us a turn to implement.

2)The SMC's current orders call for the galleys to do something completely different.
EDIT:SMC has since acknowledged they turned control of the galleys over to the IE.

So when did we deviate from the Island thing?

GodKing · August 29, 2002, 15:20

Good Question. I know not.

GodKing · August 29, 2002, 15:45

Looking on ubers orders, it appears that he is including the hop, so it is in the works. SHould happen soon.

Kuciwalker · August 29, 2002, 15:49

We never got around to it.

Shiber · August 29, 2002, 16:20

I suggested my plan for transporting a settler to Uber Island (which is along the lines of what Ghengis explained in the top post) to Will 5001 and he liked it and accepted it but Uber probably wasn't around then so he never heard of it.
Anyway, I don't see why Uber is in control of the galleys. They've finished their military purpose and are about to set sail for purposes of exploration and expansion, so according to logic Will 5001 should be in charge of them.
Of course Uber is more than welcome to board the galley that's sailing to Uber island. After all he spotted the island in the first place so he should be the first to step on its soil.

GhengisFarb™ · August 29, 2002, 17:25

Exactly, I thought Aggie had relinquished control of the galleys to the Ministry of Expansion or something or other.

SO.....What's up with the used up settler?

Shiber · August 29, 2002, 18:09

By the way, mega kudos on the graphics!!

GhengisFarb™ · August 29, 2002, 18:52

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Originally posted by Shiber
By the way, mega kudos on the graphics!!

Mega kudos on the plan!!

Epistax · August 29, 2002, 18:56

they sunk

i warned them

Shiber · August 29, 2002, 18:58

Thanks!

Shiber · August 29, 2002, 19:08

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Originally posted by Epistax
they sunk

i warned them

What? Who sunk? Where?

Kuciwalker · August 29, 2002, 19:11

Shiber - remember the series of letters from jdjdjd to the Gazette about our expedition?

Aggie · August 29, 2002, 19:15

I asked the same question in the current report thread. No answer so far. I was all ready to see uber isle but no dice. They have been where they are for at least 3 turns. I am disappointed it didn't happen. I did give contol of them at i believe 250 or 230.
Aggie

Shiber · August 29, 2002, 19:21

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Originally posted by skywalker
Shiber - remember the series of letters from jdjdjd to the Gazette about our expedition?

Oh yeah, I do. They were all very good. I just didn't realize he was relating to them. I guess that's what Monty Python TV Marathons do to you.

GhengisFarb™ · August 29, 2002, 20:04

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Originally posted by Aggie
I asked the same question in the current report thread. No answer so far. I was all ready to see uber isle but no dice. They have been where they are for at least 3 turns. I am disappointed it didn't happen. I did give contol of them at i believe 250 or 230.
Aggie

Yeah, I remember that. I guess the Ministry of Expansion was bribed by the German/Persian/French conspiracy to sabotage our growth efforts.

MrWhereItsAt · August 29, 2002, 20:29

I wasn't sure exactly how to go about this plan, nor did I see any direct orders to go through with it. I could have not done anything and asked, but there was only Shiber around at the time.

I vaguely recall a Will 5001 post saying to move the Settler into 'Poly and that's it. Once we've got the exact moves for these ships down and in the orders, it will be done. At the moment, both Uber and GenghisFarb have plans, and the Minister has not posted one to date (still early days).

EDIT: DAMNATION! I just found in the 5-turn thread a late addition to the orders for the last turns - Will 5001's plans for the Island Expedition.
/me sighs
That'll teach me for believing all the orders were done and dusted. I didn't think of looking at that thread, since (although an excellent idea) no Minister seems to use it much.

This is all the case of ppl missing things (me) due to absence, and because the idea is so prevalent in everyone else's minds, nothing more is said of it. Now that I have played the first turns and have seen for myself what is going on, such a thing should not easily happen again. I relied a little more heavily on the Ministers' plans than usual, and some of them were a little scattered across the forum, so I might have missed some of them, with 5 or 6 IE screens and Civ3 open at once.

PLEASE could all Ministers next time make sure ALL their plans are in the relevant upcoming turns threads (and also the topped 5-turn plan thread), so I can see them all at once. It would make life easier.

Aro · August 29, 2002, 20:31

The plan is good, we have a chance (50%?). Of course, a third galley would be good, as a backup. In fact, the plan almost demands that third galley. However, in our actual stage of production, I don't think is possible to any city change queues and build another…
So what? It's risky, and we can loose a galley, we know. Nevertheless, we have to try.
Btw, Ghengis, your graphics are very easy to understand.

GhengisFarb™ · August 29, 2002, 21:46

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Originally posted by Aro
Btw, Ghengis, your graphics are very easy to understand.

Thanks, I used one of your maps.

Will 5001 · August 30, 2002, 14:59

I am vindicated

, without even having to say anything, anyway, my next orders will be very clear and I will put them in the 5 turn plan thread, its already there, so i'll just put it in there again later.

Will 5001 · August 30, 2002, 15:04

this is the order I said last time, I might as well sday it again:

To Transport Settler, and spearman, or even another settler, that would be good(?), use the following plan involving 2 Galley's, it is called "Shiber's Manoeuvre" and is as follows:

"Naming the tiles and galleys for easier reference:
* Tile A: either the tile S or SE of Apolyton (doesn't matter). It is safe for a galley to end its turn in here.
* Tile B: the tile SE SE of Apolyton (contains a whale resource).
* Tile C: the tile SE of tile B.
* Tile D: the tile SE of tile C.
* Tile E: one of the coastal tiles which we can barely see. It is safe for a galley to end its turn in here.
* Galley 1: empty at the beginning of the manoeuvre.
* Galley 2: contains a settler and possibly another unit (another settler or a spearman) at the beginning of the manoeuvre.

Phase one:
Both galleys are in tile A. Galley 1 travels to tile C and ends its turn. This is the risky phase, since there's a 50% chance that the galley would sink (but at least it's empty). It's also the only risk involved in this plan.
If the galley sinks, build a new galley and start again. If it doesn't, move on to phase two:
Phase two:
Galley 2 travels to tile B. The settler and the other unit (if any) onboard galley 2 moves to galley 1.
Phase three: galley 2 travels back to tile A or another coastal or city tile, thus ending the turn safely. Galley 1, now carrying cargo, moves to tile E, thus also ending its turn in safety."

Spiffor · August 30, 2002, 15:14

Will ! You're here !
Can you give a name for your city please ? (as a minister, you get to name a city ; please do so in this thread

Will 5001 · August 30, 2002, 15:28

Wow, I didn't think I was important enough, I am so excited

caesarqbear · August 30, 2002, 18:10

allow me to re-illustrate:

Shiber · August 30, 2002, 19:10

You left me speechless.

Anyway, what we do now is send one galley into Apolyton to grab the settler and then tell it to end the turn in tile A and send the other to tile C, and then we execute phases two and three.

I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE UBER ISLE!!!

MrWhereItsAt · August 30, 2002, 20:44

Just one question - anyone applied to GodKing for a city to build any new ships in if we need them? This could cause more delays otherwise. Having seen how urgent the matter is, I want it done, done right and done right now.

Thank you all for making the plan so abundantly clear that even I can understand it

This is in so many threads now that, once again, not even I can miss it.

This will go down in the chat tomorrow (my time) at a tentative 2300GMT/1800EST. Feedback on this time would be nice, but it can't easily be any earlier. Later, however is of course good for me (if no-one else on the planet but for Darkness' Edge).

Shiber · August 30, 2002, 20:47

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Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
Thank you all for making the plan so abundantly clear that even I can understand it

This is in so many threads now that, once again, not even I can miss it.

Naah, don't be so harsh on yourself.

GhengisFarb™ · August 30, 2002, 22:05

Quote:

Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
Thank you all for making the plan so abundantly clear that even I can understand it

This is in so many threads now that, once again, not even I can miss it.

Just want to make sure you don't lose another arm.........

Reddawg · August 30, 2002, 22:27

Oh, and I feel the need now to stress at every opportunity the importance of 1) keeping Germany's unheard of expansion in check and
2) immediately expanding onto Uber Isle.

the statistics, trust me, support both of these facts.

GodKing · August 30, 2002, 22:43

MWIA and others interested: in the orders thread, Polly is set to do a gallion as replacement only. in other words, if we loose one, polly starts to build one. But only then as I do not want to build an extra without needing to as we have far to many things to build and not enough time adn manpower to build it in.

Oh, and nobody requested one. That surprised me. I would have expected 2-3 pm's on this issue. People must be slipping.

MrWhereItsAt · August 30, 2002, 22:50

Cheers, GodKing. I wanted to make sure. Everyone was saying how there would need to be another built if we lost the first ship, but having to play the game, I realised there WAS no such ship. This seems important enough to all that it needs some significant attention before carrying out.