Most idiotic assertion of conservatives.

[Giancarlo]

Sava I must respectfully disagree... redistributing wealth as you infer can lead to dire consquences.

And Sava, I did take economic courses last year.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Sava
With a 20 year mortgage, you often pay a total of ten times the value of your land

Not even close. That would require an interest rate somewhat greater than 15% (too lazy to actually derive an amortization formula).

[KrazyHorse]

So, unless you're borrowing on your credit card...

[Sava]

What, exactly are these dire consequences? Super rich billionaires will simply be multi-millionaires? OH NO, THAT IS SO WRONG... People will be able to afford higher education, health care, and society in general will function more efficiently? OH GOD NO, NOT THAT!!!

Face it guys... it must be very painful to admit I'm right because I'm such an 4sshole, but you've got to do it.

It just seems unbelievable to me that you think there is no problem that nearly 200 million people (in the US) are being held hostage economically by a small number of companies filling their pockets. But again, maybe that's my fault for believing that people are inherently good.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Conservatives are always afraid of the left because sooner of later, the left will win out.
Slavery? Segregation? The conservaties supported both, but in the long run, they were unable to keep people 'in their place.'
In the short run, the conservatives may be able to keep things from changing, but in the long run, the left has always won.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Frogger


Not even close. That would require an interest rate somewhat greater than 15% (too lazy to actually derive an amortization formula).

You were right, I was thinking about something else. It is usually about 2 times the total value.

[Giancarlo]

Lawrence, the left can kiss my ass. No way they will win.

Sava, you are wrong.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
Conservatives are always afraid of the left because sooner of later, the left will win out.
Slavery? Segregation? The conservaties supported both, but in the long run, they were unable to keep people 'in their place.'
In the short run, the conservatives may be able to keep things from changing, but in the long run, the left has always won.

Thanks Lawrence, you hit the nail right on the head. Conservatives want to preserve the status quo, or regress. And they succeed just as long as they keep the population happy enough. People were content living in feudal systems... until a certain point... people were content with slavery.... until a certain point... people were content with segregation.... until a certain point... the next revolution in the human existence is going to be one in terms of freeing society from being economic hostages and allowing people equal opprotunities to live long, productive lives. Eventually, there is going to be one huge middle class of people... some near the top, some near the bottom.... but everyone will have the chance to make something of themselves and get some of the pie.

[Sava]

... the good old blanket defense, eh, Fez? I expected more from you It's a good thing we aren't going out... you'd be on the couch tonight

Again... it's sad that some people don't want to see the end of poverty. Don't worry, even though I don't believe in the Judeo-Christian myths, I'm sure that when we die, everyone will be judged in some form or another. Those that believe in equality, justice, liberty, and overall fairness will have an advantage over the immoral people.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Sava
... the good old blanket defense, eh, Fez? I expected more from you

What can I say I am a teenager...

It's a good thing we aren't going out... you'd be on the couch tonight

With you on top and all over me? Sorry, Sava but I am one horny bastard...

Again... it's sad that some people don't want to see the end of poverty. Don't worry, even though I don't believe in the Judeo-Christian myths, I'm sure that when we die, everyone will be judged in some form or another. Those that believe in equality, justice, liberty, and overall fairness will have an advantage over the immoral people.

Umm... I am not an immoral person infact I have seen poverty at the most extreme. People having no place to live because a little ran caused their poorly built houses to collapse (Ecuador).

[leftover_crack]

in the end the left will win

This is very much untrue. History does not follow this pattern. The Roman empire and there liberal excess ways of life fell. Its all a pendulem. When the left goes to far the right pushes them back and vice versa. The Soviet Block just fell. The Soviet block was very leftist and was the champion of ultra-leftists.


FYI painting conservatives as opposing Slave liberation and other things is EXTREMELY misleading. If you are labeling anyone who opposes any event in history as a conservative. Than you should go back and re-examine the politics of the time. Lincoln was a Conservative for the time in all of his political aspects. Except on 1 issue, Slavery.

Understand? See if you infer Conservatives dont want change. Then you are misleading or misunderstanding the political spectrum and history of the person in question.


When america is sick of Redneck cowboys in the white house, well elect another Saxaphone player. And the pattern will continue. Socially, one can say the Liberal point of view always wins. This is true. But considering the last 100 years of Western Enlightment and Technological Renissance. All this comes to end soon. People are rolling back Liberal policies left and right here in america. Why? Liberal Policy tends to follow a line of how people feel at the moment and not common sense or preventive actions.

The saying goes in a liberal Parliament
"If the people are angry about milk prices lets fix the prices" - While bringing short term relief and not really solving a problem.

Meanwhile...the right says
"Lets put 500 and start up several dozen new farms in the next 10 years"- Offers no help whatsover until 10 years is around.

[Giancarlo]

Also the words "liberal" and "conservative" have changed dramatically in meaning in the past hundred years.

[leftover_crack]

Ya Im thinking the same thing. Anybody who thinks a conservative throughout all history is to be defined as someone who is opposed to change is really wrong.

[Juggernaut]

Originally posted by David Floyd
Could you operate an EKG machine? Could you perform open heart surgery? No? I didn't think so. Obviously it takes a special level of skill to do things like this, and people had to go to school for years in order to achieve this level of proficiency. They deserve every penny they make.

And on the contrary, they get to work on relatively interesting and stimulating tasks, while Joe Sixpack is doomed to cleans sewers. And as someone has to do it, why should he have a crap salary, doing mindless and repetitive ****, compared to the doctor.

Just showing you it isn't as simple as you think...

[Chris 62]

The other side of the coin, and the reminder of why I loathe Right-wingers so damn much.

Mr Fun, you also forgot to make this multi-option voting.

I wish we could eliminate political parties, and just vote on issues electronically, but that would be logical, and fair, so there is zero chance of it happening.

[leftover_crack]

Conservatives didnt support Slavery. You could toss the coin and say it was Liberals who decided to declare there indepence in the South and prolong the liberty of slaves.

[leftover_crack]

btw just to get the record straight. Im a libertarian. I hate both. We should all be left alone in the end. Life is too short to conform or try to impose anything.

[CapitanGarlic]

political debate = "my politician can beat up your politician!"

Or so I feel.

[Akka]

To come back to the original poll :

Most idiotic assertion of conservatives.

Isn't asserting you are a conservative being the most idiotic assertion you can make ?

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Originally posted by leftover_crack
This is very much untrue. History does not follow this pattern. The Roman empire and there liberal excess ways of life fell.

The Roman Empire fell beause it was unable to support the needs of its people. The Emperor was a fraud, and the ruling class did not want to do anything to help protect the empire. They just ate and got fat.

Its all a pendulem. When the left goes to far the right pushes them back and vice versa. The Soviet Block just fell. The Soviet block was very leftist and was the champion of ultra-leftists.

How left was the soviet bloc? There was no freedom of election, or of speech, no civil liberties, or personal freedom. There was no democracy in place. The workers were not the ruling class. However, the economy was centralized, and everything was state owned. When you look at it, the Eastern Block was not the socialism which Marx had envisionsed. This socialism was more authoritarian, and less socialistic than Marxism.

FYI painting conservatives as opposing Slave liberation and other things is EXTREMELY misleading. If you are labeling anyone who opposes any event in history as a conservative. Than you should go back and re-examine the politics of the time. Lincoln was a Conservative for the time in all of his political aspects. Except on 1 issue, Slavery.

Lincoln wasn't really against slavery. He just wanted to save the Union and if he could do it by freeing none of the slaves, then he would do it, but if he had to free all of the slaves, then he would do it. Conservatives favor the status quo. In this case, the Democrats from the south (the 19th Century Conservatives) were for slavery. They favored the status quo.

Here's another example
99% of all of the worlds monarchs had conservative leanings. Why? Because they did not want to lose their power. They favored the status quo.

Understand? See if you infer Conservatives dont want change. Then you are misleading or misunderstanding the political spectrum and history of the person in question.

Not quite. Myabe an example so that I could understand better?

When america is sick of Redneck cowboys in the white house, well elect another Saxaphone player. And the pattern will continue.

Agreed

Socially, one can say the Liberal point of view always wins. This is true. But considering the last 100 years of Western Enlightment and Technological Renissance. All this comes to end soon. People are rolling back Liberal policies left and right here in america. Why? Liberal Policy tends to follow a line of how people feel at the moment and not common sense or preventive actions.

Thats funny because I feel that way about conservative policy.
Farm prices falling? Quick! Slap on tarrifs. Nevermind that we will be hurting the 3rd world, or that this will cost Americans millions of dollars
Uncompetitive Domestic Steel? We need to save jobs! Tariffs will do the trick.
Again, costing American consumers millions

The problem in America is that there is no party which represents me. As long as there is the electoral college, there will only be two elected parties, and they will collaborate and represent only special interests.

Originally posted by Fez
What can I say I am a teenager...

I am also a teenager

BTW on the politial compass test I rated
Economic left/right: -0.64
Authoritarian/Liberatarian: -5.5

[Giancarlo]

Lawrence stop trying to discredit beliefs. We all are entitled to have our own without being spitted at.

BTW on the politial compass test

Well my score from what I remember was:

Economic left/right: About +6
Authoritarian/Libertarian: About +3

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Yes. Education is a very dangerous thing. You might change your mind.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
Yes. Education is a very dangerous thing. You might change your mind.

Did I ever claim it was? All I said is you are full of crap and that you are not teaching anybody. We are all entitled to our own beliefs.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

How am I full of crap? At least I bother to argue my point by bringing up examples. You just make broad statements with no evidence/examples. Sure, you are entitled to your own belifs, but you better be able to argue them before you post anywhere. Why should you support something if you cannot explain why? As soon as you have no examples or way of disproving something, you retreat behind a broad statement, and close your shell. They way I look at it, if you cannot defend your position, then you had better change it. If you support something 'just because,' then that is crap.

[Giancarlo]

I can defend my position and I have argued enough for one day.

Go through this thread and see my responses.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Originally posted by Fez

At least we right-wingers are not as braindead as the left.

Don't insult my country, it shows how little you have behind your leftist argument. I mean your wrong argument.

What scares me the most is traitors like you... you abuse the people and want to rip them off. Your political beliefs make me laugh all the time because they are so illogical.

In my beliefs everybody has a chance. In your beliefs everybody is screwed by high progressive taxes.

Oh really.. and I don't care for those problems? Actually I do and my solution is more possible. Old world stabilization.

You stuck up impudent... I do care about those problems... you rather have no right to say what I don't care about.

I think deregulation was good in the energy market as Reagan was completely right about the economy.

You have your leaders... CEOs are better than some hot air windbag political activist.

Social redistribution is awful.

Sava I must respectfully disagree... redistributing wealth as you infer can lead to dire consquences.
And Sava, I did take economic courses last year.

Lawrence, the left can kiss my ass. No way they will win.
Sava, you are wrong.

What can I say I am a teenager...

All I said is you are full of crap and that you are not teaching anybody.

Need I say more?

[Ethelred]

I can defend my position and I have argued enough for one day.

Go through this thread and see my responses.

I saw them. To paraphrase

Liberals suck

Conservatives rock

Your wrong

I am right

No it isn't

Yes it is


You favorite method of supporting youself is to claim that you allready did it in your previous posts. Occasionaly you accidently say something that might be construed as an attempt to give actual real support. Isn't about time they stopped being accidents and start being intentional?

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia


Need I say more?

Your antics are not appreciated on this forum. So you can say none less than "I am wrong". I don't need to support my opinions because they are just opinions. However revolting they may they are my beliefs and there is nothing you can do about it.

Ethel, be quiet your cyncism is not appreciated here.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

I don't need to support my opinions because they are just opinions.

Like everything else, opinions are based on something deeper. If you can't/won't support your opinions, then don't attack other peoples beliefs. In fact, don't even come to this forum, because no one will take you seriously. Even if I disagree, I can respect people who can defend their ideas succesfully with more than 'you are wrong.' Look at all of the 'braindead left.' We are so braindead that we actually bother to explain our position.

Your antics are not appreciated on this forum

Ah yes, you speak for the whole forum I'll bet. Its the authoritarian part of you speaking out. Just goes to show that you cannot see that other people might think differently from you.

[Giancarlo]