Which Civs should be added after PTW? - Page 3

hahntsak · November 27, 2002, 23:46

btw if they had canadians they'd have to allow breakoff in form of civil war /succession [quebec] ..

of course modders are welcome to make uu:
RCMP, boomerrangers, Swissguards, etc... oohhh hey lichtensten accountants...[evilgrin]

what would portugese have for uu?

mayans have possible uu...

ducki · November 30, 2002, 21:29

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Originally posted by Sheik
Israel should have been in PTW. I would say first make sure Israel is added then add Portugal, Incas (or Mayas), and Tibetans.

I'm curious - is there some online source you can point me to that would support this claim of Israel(a nation created in 1948) being a "world power" or a "great empire" as compared to England, Spain, America, etc?

I keep seeing support for this, but I don't see any historical support for it.

Anyone got any links about the Hebrew/Israeli empires of old?

Odin · December 25, 2002, 21:11

Inca
Leader: Emperor Manco Cupac (Ataphulpa's ceremonial successor, who valiently, though unsucessfully, fought Spanish for many years from stronghold in the mountains.)
UU: Sun Warrior 3.1.1 (archer)
Religious, Expansionist.

Maya
Leader: ???
UU: Plumed Archer (as in AoE2) 2.1.2
Comercial, Scientific (They were the only Native Americans with a sophisticated written language.)

Mali
Leader: the guy who went to Mexico

UU: ???
Comercial, Expansionist?

Polynesians
Leader: King Kamehameha
UU: Double Canoe 1.2.3 (Can hold 3 units instead of 2) (galley)
Expansionist, Comercial?

Poland
Leader:Prime Minister Leech Walesha (sp?)
UU: Hussar Cavalry 6.2.4
Industrious?, Comercial?

Hebrews
Leader: King David
UU: Slinger 3.1.1 (archer)
Religious, Millitaristic

hahntsak · December 26, 2002, 00:08

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Originally posted by Odin
Inca
Leader: Emperor Manco Cupac (Ataphulpa's ceremonial successor, who valiently, though unsucessfully, fought Spanish for many years from stronghold in the mountains.)
UU: Sun Warrior 3.1.1 (archer)
Religious, Expansionist.

Maya
Leader: ???
UU: Plumed Archer (as in AoE2) 2.1.2
Comercial, Scientific (They were the only Native Americans with a sophisticated written language.)

Mali
Leader: the guy who went to Mexico

UU: ???
Comercial, Expansionist?

Polynesians
Leader: King Kamehameha
UU: Double Canoe 1.2.3 (Can hold 3 units instead of 2) (galley)
Expansionist, Comercial?

Poland
Leader:Prime Minister Leech Walesha (sp?)
UU: Hussar Cavalry 6.2.4
Industrious?, Comercial?

Hebrews
Leader: King David
UU: Slinger 3.1.1 (archer)
Religious, Millitaristic

hebrews, okay , same for incan, and i believe mali-songhai is okay, but the guy went to Mecca, not Mexico on his pilgrimage... Llech Walesa, led solidarity but not midieval period that uu [which i've seen around] comes from perhaps Ladislas Jagiello instead? maya is okay but i believe having incas and aztec might bump them... besides lack of leader... but i thiunk they're okay [demand for netherlands might further that bump] i like polynesian is good choice, but on polys and hebrews, the uu - i haven't seen either one. but i'd like either one!

good choices anyway.

Panag · December 26, 2002, 09:39

hi ,

the Hebrews versus Jews versus Israeli should have the Merkava as UU

have a nice day

hahntsak · December 26, 2002, 10:59

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Originally posted by panag
hi ,

the Hebrews versus Jews versus Israeli should have the Merkava as UU

have a nice day

the merkava is great for modern israel but some have questioned its historical greatness versus i suppose ancient judea that gave us monotheism. [arabia did not originate this but borrowed from cousins the hebrews]

i would like for somebody to actually make a slinger unit and add both slinger and merkava to them.
but germany and and us have disadvantage by having uu occur so late in game...

i also would like to download a polynesian double canoe too...

Panag · December 28, 2002, 14:29

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Originally posted by hahntsak

the merkava is great for modern israel but some have questioned its historical greatness versus i suppose ancient judea that gave us monotheism. [arabia did not originate this but borrowed from cousins the hebrews]

i would like for somebody to actually make a slinger unit and add both slinger and merkava to them.
but germany and and us have disadvantage by having uu occur so late in game...

i also would like to download a polynesian double canoe too...

hi ,

one thing remains clear , the best would be to put in a UU for each era !

Firaxis , ......

have a nice day

Yahweh Sabaoth · December 28, 2002, 14:31

Forgive me if this message seems redundant (if someone brought it up earlier in the thread), but don't y'all think that the power of the Aztecs, Americans and Iroquois are a little unbalanced? And why the hell are the Americans put with the Iroquois and Aztecs? They should be put with the Europeans, ne c'est pas?

I do hope that someone, somewhere, adds some more American civs, but I hope that they are based on modern countries... Columbia and Brazil would be great, Cuba of course, etc., etc.

Comments? Compliments? Angry tirades?

hahntsak · December 28, 2002, 18:53

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Originally posted by panag

hi ,

one thing remains clear , the best would be to put in a UU for each era !

Firaxis , ......

have a nice day

yeah, but i want the slinger unit and a double canoe and a minuteman [american revolutionary war era], i got enough german and japanese units but i could use a french mirage jet, a russian mig, etc

HolyWarrior · December 29, 2002, 01:55

My 8 for the next expansion:

Incas, Scots, Dutch, Portugese, Huns, Byzantines, Mali/Ghana, Khmers. Perhaps the Maya in place of one, but their leaders are largely unknown.

Panag · December 29, 2002, 12:25

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Originally posted by HolyWarrior
My 8 for the next expansion:

Incas, Scots, Dutch, Portugese, Huns, Byzantines, Mali/Ghana, Khmers. Perhaps the Maya in place of one, but their leaders are largely unknown.

hi ,

only seven please , you have to keep room for the barbarians

have a nice day

Panag · December 29, 2002, 12:26

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Originally posted by hahntsak

yeah, but i want the slinger unit and a double canoe and a minuteman [american revolutionary war era], i got enough german and japanese units but i could use a french mirage jet, a russian mig, etc

hi ,

it should be easy for them to include at least a second UU for each civ , and why not make a UU for each era , this would make the game rock

have a nice day

HolyWarrior · December 30, 2002, 00:44

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Originally posted by panag

hi ,

only seven please , you have to keep room for the barbarians

have a nice day

Huh? The barbarians are already in the game, why would you need to worry about them in the expansion? Just change some names with the editor.

Panag · December 30, 2002, 02:08

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Originally posted by HolyWarrior

Huh? The barbarians are already in the game, why would you need to worry about them in the expansion? Just change some names with the editor.

hi ,

huh , read above , he gives 8 , there are allready 24 , the max is 32 , minus one for the barbarians , that leaves seven to be included , ....

have a nice day

Yahweh Sabaoth · December 30, 2002, 11:11

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Originally posted by HolyWarrior
My 8 for the next expansion:

Incas, Scots, Dutch, Portugese, Huns, Byzantines, Mali/Ghana, Khmers. Perhaps the Maya in place of one, but their leaders are largely unknown.

Forget those Huns. What'd they ever do besides pillage and burn?

How about the Songhai, or Sigilmasa, to add a little to Africa? Or maybe the Sioux, for old times' sake? Nez Pearce perhaps? Uh...

sabrewolf · December 30, 2002, 18:52

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Originally posted by Yahweh Sabaoth
Forget those Huns. What'd they ever do besides pillage and burn?

How about the Songhai, or Sigilmasa, to add a little to Africa? Or maybe the Sioux, for old times' sake? Nez Pearce perhaps? Uh...

uhm... pillage and burn? afaik the mongols didn't do much else... ok ok, maybe they raped and slaughtered too...

one VERY important civ sometimes gets mentioned, but i always forget their name. it's an african civ in present day ethiopia...

Yahweh Sabaoth · December 30, 2002, 18:58

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Originally posted by sabrewolf

uhm... pillage and burn? afaik the mongols didn't do much else... ok ok, maybe they raped and slaughtered too...

one VERY important civ sometimes gets mentioned, but i always forget their name. it's an african civ in present day ethiopia...

Uh, it's true, the Mongols were pretty brutal... but AFTER Gengiz they killed out a little bit, and Kublai had a fairly learned, if not very united, empire...

As for Ethiopia, it is an ancient culture, well deserving of civ-membership in my opinion. It's history is fascinating and it has both conquered and been conquered.

But maybe you're thinking of what was right north of Ethiopia... Nubia. A rich expanionist empire.

Both Ethiopia and Nubia would be great additions in my opinion... anyone else agree?

High_Lord · December 31, 2002, 03:55

they should put in Scottish, Portugese,Hebrew,Canadien,Dutch,Mayan,Incan,and BONGOLIAN!!!

Yahweh Sabaoth · December 31, 2002, 11:11

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Originally posted by High_Lord
they should put in Scottish, Portugese,Hebrew,Canadien,Dutch,Mayan,Incan,and BONGOLIAN!!!

DUDE! BONGOLIAN!

Speaking of which, how about the Jamaicans/Rastafari?

Panag · December 31, 2002, 11:52

hi ,

we should forget about more civs , we need a bigger map to give them a place (!)

have a nice day

Yahweh Sabaoth · December 31, 2002, 12:01

And faster computers, for that matter...

Panag · December 31, 2002, 13:42

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Originally posted by Yahweh Sabaoth
And faster computers, for that matter...

hi ,

well some games require a processor of above 1 ghz , 512 ram , etc , .... so we are still good with civ , ....

have a nice day

Centauri18 · January 22, 2003, 18:34

Portugal. Definitely. Without Portugal, there would be no Brazil. And Israel ought to be added. They are a very important part of history. And the Incas ought to be there too. I mean, without them the Aztecs could expand right into South America with nothing to stop them (I played a world-map game with correct starting locations once), and even though the Spanish conquered the Incas (easier than the Atecs, certainly) they still stirke me as an important civilization.
Cadana or Australia separate civs? Why not? Well, the Iriquois took up Canada in one game I played, but Australia as a civ? Hmm. Have you guys even considered that Australia was originally an English prison colony?

Panag · January 22, 2003, 18:40

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Originally posted by Centauri18
Portugal. Definitely. Without Portugal, there would be no Brazil. And Israel ought to be added. They are a very important part of history. And the Incas ought to be there too. I mean, without them the Aztecs could expand right into South America with nothing to stop them (I played a world-map game with correct starting locations once), and even though the Spanish conquered the Incas (easier than the Atecs, certainly) they still stirke me as an important civilization.
Cadana or Australia separate civs? Why not? Well, the Iriquois took up Canada in one game I played, but Australia as a civ? Hmm. Have you guys even considered that Australia was originally an English prison colony?

hi ,

, we could use the aboriginals , ....

have a nice day

Yahweh Sabaoth · January 22, 2003, 18:48

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Originally posted by Centauri18
Portugal. Definitely. Without Portugal, there would be no Brazil. And Israel ought to be added. They are a very important part of history. And the Incas ought to be there too. I mean, without them the Aztecs could expand right into South America with nothing to stop them (I played a world-map game with correct starting locations once), and even though the Spanish conquered the Incas (easier than the Atecs, certainly) they still stirke me as an important civilization.
Cadana or Australia separate civs? Why not? Well, the Iriquois took up Canada in one game I played, but Australia as a civ? Hmm. Have you guys even considered that Australia was originally an English prison colony?

Yeah, those Canucks and those Aussies don't deserve their own Civ!

Seriously, prejudice slurs aside, I'd say that neither of those countries truly warrant their own Civ, due to their consistent subservience too, even after independence, Britain. We could argue this point of course, but they're part of the same market bloc and (generally) endorse the same foreign policy (although Canada is notably more pacifist than either Britain or Australia).

The Aborigonies, though, that's an idea...

How about the Iniuts or Eskimos?

Centauri18 · January 22, 2003, 18:51

I'm not prejudiced! I'm just stating what I know!

Centauri18 · January 22, 2003, 18:52

I have nothing against Australia or Canada, I just heard somewhere that Australia was a prison colony once.

Panag · January 22, 2003, 19:08

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Originally posted by Centauri18
I have nothing against Australia or Canada, I just heard somewhere that Australia was a prison colony once.

hi ,

and that is the truth

have a nice day

Centauri18 · January 23, 2003, 00:07

Sorry, I was just trying to make sure I wasn't seen as bigoted, because I'm not. Any country that can produce boomerangs and Crocodile Dundee, in my opinion, is very cool. Same goes for Canada, which gave us Hockey, and in the case of my home state, gave Phoenix the Coyotes.

Canada is cool.

Yahweh Sabaoth · January 23, 2003, 10:55

Australia WAS a prison colony. Maybe that's why they're so hot on kicking immigrants out of their country, exterminating the aborigonies, etc. Actually, Australia might be an interesting country to include... militaristic and industrious? There's only one so far... maybe militaristic and commercial?