September 5, 2002, 21:48
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1.5 planets, which I'm pretty shocked about because I'm basically a slob. Maybe it's because I walk or cycle almost everywhere..
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September 5, 2002, 21:50
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Well, here they are:
http://www.redefiningprogress.org/
They claim the footprint quiz is scientifically supported.
Franky, are just mad because you've become aware you enjoy a substantially better lifestyle than most of the world's people?
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September 5, 2002, 21:52
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Originally posted by Oerdin
I agree. From a scientific stand point this test is designed to shock people and not to be accurate. The numbers are inflated. Plus it didn't take into account heating energy; I live in southern California and almost never use the heater or airconditioner (I love that ocean breeze  ) so wouldn't an ice bound canuk consume more then the quiz let's on?
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The test does seem to take location into account. The question about weather on the first page changes the test results. Canucks end up with a bigger footprint then someone in San Fran.
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September 5, 2002, 21:54
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The average American has 9.7 hectares, but I'm here with 3.1... yall decadent mother****ers got three times as much **** and waste as I do!
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September 5, 2002, 22:00
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4.9 planets, well, that leaves .1 planet to bury dead Iraq after The Wrath of W.
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September 5, 2002, 22:19
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2.3 Planets, 4.2 hectares. What a stupid quiz.
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September 5, 2002, 22:30
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I made a guess on some issues
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Food 1.2
-vegetarrian but eats processed food
Mobility 0.6
- this is what you get from flying
Shelter 2.6
-decent size appartment shared with one other
Goods/Services 2.9
- some but not much recycling and conservation
Total Footprint 7.3
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I want to know how people get so low on goods/services
if I choose that I create much less waste in the goods choice I drop down to a 2.2
so how do you get a .3???
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September 5, 2002, 22:41
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Originally posted by Albert Speer
The average American has 9.7 hectares, but I'm here with 3.1... yall decadent mother****ers got three times as much **** and waste as I do!
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Yeah, but you spew three times as much **** as we do.
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September 5, 2002, 22:42
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I picked
US
21-35
1mil+ (I think the Washington DC Metro area is this size)
New York (I had no idea on this one actually)
male
infrequently
half (maybe a bit more)
about the same (complete guess)
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60-90 (a quick estimate, it might be 90-130)
I think there are 6 housing units (so I picked multistory appartments, but it might be terraced housing units)
yes
than for travel I don't do much of anything but walk/ride a bike (everyonce in a while I will take the metro somewhere) and I fly about 25 hours a year
that gives the breakdown given earlier
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September 5, 2002, 22:45
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OK
this is crappy, I picked the same options (actually a bigger house was allowed) but said I lived in france (in the Bordeaux region) (actually I also said I was female but I already tested and that has no bearning)
and I got
Food 0.9
Mobility 0.5
Shelter 0.9
Goods/Services 1.5
Total Footprint 3.8
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September 5, 2002, 22:46
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I mean look at the shelter option
just the difference in that one does not make sense
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September 5, 2002, 22:47
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the differences (much more slight) in the mobility option does not make sense either
are their planes more effeceint than ours or something?
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September 5, 2002, 23:07
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We consumed a lot less in Chicago than we do here. Air conditioning is mandatory here. We don't have public transportation, and because we are here we fly occasionally (back to Chicago).
Imagine how different a different country makes it.
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September 5, 2002, 23:13
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When we followed the link Boris posted we got different answeres (It uses the Imperial measuring system!)
CATEGORY ACRES
FOOD 5.2
MOBILITY 0.5
SHELTER 5.7
GOODS/SERVICES 4.2
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 16
IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 24 ACRES PER PERSON.
WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 4.5 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE ACRES PER PERSON.
IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 3.5 PLANETS.
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September 5, 2002, 23:13
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but I put down the same ammount of flying for both
25 hours of flight a year
how is there any difference in that?
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September 5, 2002, 23:14
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Dangum metrics.
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September 5, 2002, 23:17
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I got roughly the same
CATEGORY ACRES
FOOD 3
MOBILITY 1.5
SHELTER 6.4
GOODS/SERVICES 7.2
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 18
flying just 25 hours a year takes a lot
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September 5, 2002, 23:19
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if I change myself to much less waste (on the goods choice) I am returned
CATEGORY ACRES
FOOD 3
MOBILITY 1.5
SHELTER 6.4
GOODS/SERVICES 5.4
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 16
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September 5, 2002, 23:22
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oops, just looked up my appartment online, I deffinitely picked too big there
so
CATEGORY ACRES
FOOD 3
MOBILITY 1.5
SHELTER 4
GOODS/SERVICES 4.9
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 13
where I returned the goods option back to normal
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September 5, 2002, 23:23
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If everyone lived like you, we would need 2.3 planets.
Category
global hectares
Food 1.6
Mobility 0.6
Shelter 0.9
Goods/Services 1
Total Footprint 4.1
In comparison, the average ecological footprint in your country is 9.7 global hectares per person.
Worldwide, there exist 1.8 biologically productive global hectares per person.
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September 5, 2002, 23:25
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I ahve a hard time seeing the low numbers everyone gets for things
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September 5, 2002, 23:26
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On Boris's version: 10 acres or 2.4 planets
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(well except for food, where I have one of the lower numbers)
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If everyone lived like you, we would need 4.2 planets.
Category
global hectares
Food 3.3
Mobility 1
Shelter 1.1
Goods/Services 2.2
Total Footprint 7.6
In comparison, the average ecological footprint in your country is 8.8 global hectares per person.
Worldwide, there exist 1.8 biologically productive global hectares per person.
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I agree. From a scientific stand point this test is designed to shock people and not to be accurate. The numbers are inflated. Plus it didn't take into account heating energy; I live in southern California and almost never use the heater or airconditioner (I love that ocean breeze ) so wouldn't an ice bound canuk consume more then the quiz let's on?
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They do take that into account. That's why they asked yo what city your city's weather most resembled.
I got hit hard on the fact that I needs my meat.
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September 6, 2002, 02:20
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
We consumed a lot less in Chicago than we do here. Air conditioning is mandatory here. We don't have public transportation, and because we are here we fly occasionally (back to Chicago).
Imagine how different a different country makes it.
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No need to imagine; I'll tell you! 
In Turkey, I have a footprint of 6.7 and need 3.7 planets
In the US, I had a footprint of 11.3 and needed 6.3 planets
The biggest factors were (1) I don't drive in Turkey, (2) I eat less meat and way less processed food here, because it simply isn't available and/or cost a fortune, and (3) I moved from my 300-sq.-meter, 5 bedroom house in the States to an 80-sq.meter apartment here. The Turkish score would doubtless be lower if I weren't spending more time on airplanes.
Still, I'm clearly a pig. I blame society. 
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September 6, 2002, 05:33
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Hey, I got 0 for my food consumption. Cool!
Food
Mobility 0.9
Shelter 0.6
Goods/Services 1.5
Total Footprint 3
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September 6, 2002, 06:34
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If everyone lived like you, we would need 2.1 planets.
Food 1.5
Mobility 0
Shelter 1.1
Goods/Services 1.2
Total Footprint 3.8
In comparison, the average ecological footprint in your country is 4.8 global hectares per person.
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September 6, 2002, 06:38
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Took the test two times: One for the status before my father's death (more people in the house and I didn't drive) and one for current status. The extra space makes a much larger difference than driving.
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1.5 planets.
Food 0.9
Mobility 0
Shelter 0.7
Goods/Services 1.1
Total Footprint 2.7
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Food 0.9
Mobility 0.1
Shelter 1
Goods/Services 1.7
Total Footprint 3.7
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Greece avg: 5.1
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