Turns of ACT060 - Page 13

Hendrik · February 9, 2003, 17:28

Turned.

Mongoose · February 9, 2003, 19:09

2181 sent to Paul.

Paul · February 10, 2003, 01:09

2181 to Hobbes

H0bbes · February 10, 2003, 05:08

Here it is again. back home tomorrow.

Hobbes

Hendrik · February 10, 2003, 18:35

Turned

Mongoose · February 10, 2003, 18:57

2182 sent to Paul

Paul · February 12, 2003, 07:32

2182 sent to Hobbes again. I originally sent it 20 minutes after Mongoose sent it to me, but I couldn't post at the time. I guess Hobbes didn't receive it, or maybe he also couldn't post.

H0bbes · February 12, 2003, 17:14

2183 to HenWen.

Hendrik · February 12, 2003, 20:46

My laptop just completely died... I am mailing it to gateway to have it repaired, but I may be without a computer for a couple of days. It is possible that I will install AC on my roommate's computer and play from there, but not certain.

Sorry for the delay

Hendrik · February 12, 2003, 23:35

Turned

Mongoose · February 13, 2003, 00:50

2183 sent to Paul

Paul · February 13, 2003, 02:21

2183 to Hobbes

H0bbes · February 13, 2003, 18:35

2184 to Hen.

Hendrik · February 13, 2003, 20:08

Turned

Just built my first borehole! Eco damage schmeco damage...

One of my very green laser foils killed Hobbe's veteran unity foil without taking a single damage point, not bad.

Mongoose · February 13, 2003, 21:46

2184 sent to Paul

H0bbes · February 14, 2003, 01:30

Quote:

Originally posted by Hendrik
One of my very green laser foils killed Hobbe's veteran unity foil without taking a single damage point, not bad.

Oh yes, attacking and beating an unarmed and unarmoured vessel is definately worth boasting about.

My hero!

Paul · February 14, 2003, 12:17

2184 to Hobbes

H0bbes · February 15, 2003, 00:47

On to the boastful one.

Mongoose · February 15, 2003, 16:15

2185 sent to Paul

Paul · February 15, 2003, 16:54

2185 to Hobbes

H0bbes · February 16, 2003, 00:28

2186 to Gaia.

Hendrik · February 16, 2003, 03:36

2186 to Mongoose

H0bbes · February 16, 2003, 21:08

In the interests of surviving unwarranted Gaian aggression; the Spartan faction hereby seeks protection and formally submits to Mongoose.

Mongoose · February 16, 2003, 21:13

Chairman Mongoose accepts the submission of the new Spartan Protectorate.

Hendrik · February 16, 2003, 21:45

... I am speechless. I didn't know it was possible to submit to someone who has been your pactmate and hasn't been involved in any military action against you... is there any precedent for this?

Does anyone here have Tau Ceti's email address? I would like to ask him about this...

If ya'all want to gang up against me that is fine, I am just curious about how submitting to another faction works.

Tau Ceti · February 17, 2003, 08:33

As far as I can remember, this is the first time the submission clause has actually been invoked, so there is no precedence either way, really. However, I think this is quite acceptable, for several reasons:

There is still a cost involved, as the submitting player gives up his chance for victory and will count as defeated by the eventual winner for the purposes of bonus points (though he will not lose 1 point directly);
Thus, the situation must be desperate enough that the submitting player feels the situation is otherwise hopeless. It will generally be preferable to submit to an ally rather than an enemy, but keep in mind that allies will often help each other out in any case and that demanding submission before sending help could be considered rather unfriendly. Also, a player might not have any allies. Thus, there are still instances where submitting to your conqueror remains the best (or only) option;
Perhaps most importantly, it would be no problem for any two players to engineer a status of vendetta for a turn or two, and it is impossible to base a rule on a case-to-case judgment of whether there have been 'sufficient' hostilities to satisfy a possible submit-to-the-enemy-only clause.

So in conclusion, I say you can submit to anyone you wish. My reference to the 'conqueror' in a reply in the rules thread should thus not be understood as someone who is necessarily actively occupying your territory, but rather as your 'master' in the new submissive pact.

(Though I admit I had not thought of this situation before it came up in this game!)

H0bbes · February 17, 2003, 18:04

Wooooo hoooooo! I'm a precedent; I'm a precedent!!!!!!

Hobbes

Mongoose · February 17, 2003, 18:11

BTW, who has the turn? I passed it to Paul immediately after posting acceptance of the precedent...I mean protectorate.

Hendrik · February 17, 2003, 18:53

I don't have it.

BTW Hobbes look how I named your new base

Mongoose · February 17, 2003, 19:10

How embarassing. I forgot to mail it.

2186 just now sent to Paul.