movies & CIV

[Fiji]

Most people here have probably at some time tried to image what the battles actually look like.
Some movies do a good job of showing this:
Legion vs Warrior: Gladiator
Chariot vs ~Phalanx: Gladiator
Dragoon vs musketeer: Patriot
Musketeer vs Musketeer: Patriot
Knight vs Pikemen: Braveheart
Marines vs Partisan: Full Metal Jacket
Knight vs Knight: Joan of Arc

are there any other good examples?

[finbar]

Warrior -v- Howitzer = The Mouse That Roared (an old Peter Sellers film)

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[johnmcd]

Rifleman v Rifleman- The Trench, Regeneration
Skeleton v Phalanx- Jason and the Argonaughts

[catullus]

Warrior vs destroyer - Apocalypse now (remember that scene?)
Helicopter vs warrior - same movie
Cavalry vs warrior - Soldier Blue

C.

[drake]

Fortified riflemen behind a fortress on a hill VS Riflemen........Saving Private Ryan

Talk about a wipeout.........

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[zyxpsilon]

quote: Originally posted by Fiji on 11-27-2000 06:36 AM are there any other ""good"" examples?

Jap-zeros VS Destroyers & Battleships > TORA-TORA-TORA!
Submarine's > The hunt for Red October.
Spies > Any 007//-*
Chariots & Triremes > BEN-HUR
Archers VS Knights > Robin Hood
Explorer VS Warriors > 1492
Stealth Fighter VS Nukes > The Arrow.
Caravans VS Legion > Simbad.

Movies! Still plenty left.

[Fiji]

just thought of another one
Beast of War (great movie by any standards)
has a taste of what Fanatics vs armour would be like
great dialogue: RPG ... tank ... kaboem!!!

on the front: knight vs fluffy bunny rabbit: monty pythons search for the holy grail

I hope someone decides to make Red storm rising

[N35t0r]

quote: Originally posted by Fiji on 11-28-2000 06:10 AM on the front: knight vs fluffy bunny rabbit: monty pythons search for the holy grail

[DaveV]

Warriors vs. Riflemen - Zulu (I think that's the name of the movie)

[Fiji]

quote: Originally posted by DaveV on 11-28-2000 03:51 PM Warriors vs. Riflemen - Zulu (I think that's the name of the movie)

wouldn't that be warrior vs musketeers?

[DaveV]

quote: Originally posted by Fiji on 11-29-2000 06:10 AM wouldn't that be warrior vs musketeers?

I wondered the same thing. I recall the British using muzzle loading, long barreled guns (with bayonets).

[Christantine The Great]

I would think that it would be

phalanx vs. riflemen

(The Zulus did have small spears)

horsemen vs. settlers (any Western movie)

[johnmcd]

I think it would be riflemen versus warriors.

If we weren't using rifles by the Boer War I'd be amazed, They were certainly available and the world's leading nation would certainly have been aware of them, also the ratio of troops would suggest a better weapon than a musket. I think that the phalanx suggests a better level of organisation and armour than the Zulus' possessed in battle, no disrespect intended, the Scots took a severe doing for the same martial sins, but I think the Zulus' had more in common with the warriors than the phalanx

[zyxpsilon]

Here's some more;

Elephant VS spy > OCTOPUSSY
Fighter VS Carrier > MIDWAY
Horseman VS Warrior > GERONIMO
Diplomat > CHAPLIN
Frigates VS Galleon > Any good pirates adventure!

This evening at the Movies, bring us the Popcorn!

[SetuSinger]

Submarine vs. Destroyer > Das Boot (the boat?? I don't know the english name for that movie, but thats the exact translation)
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[Christantine The Great]

I guess you are right, johnmcd. Maybe they are Vet. Warriors.

Submarine vs. Destroyer (U-571)

[johnmcd]

Pol Pot, are you referring to 'Das Boot' a film about a U boat crew? The title was not translated for the UK but served to confuse younger viewers who may have put off watching it for reasons of assumed dullness...

[popcornvendor]

hey, is the movie Beast of War about a soviet tank in like afghanistan?

[SandMonkey]

"Das Boot" was an awesome movie, I thought it was better than U-571 (the explosions were was too over-done, at least in my view).

[Ken Hinds]

1. The movie on the Zulu's vs. the British was Zulu Dawn. If you remember, as the sun came up in the morning it was kind of an "Oh, Sh--" scenario in front of the British. While I don't truly know how much difference it would have made in the end, but I've often wondered two things about the battles depicted in the movie. First were the ammo distribution scenes accurately depicted, especially the supply sargents refusals of requests for additional bullets? And two would an adequate distribution of ammo changed the outcome at all or just provided more dead on both sides but the same ultimate results? I saw the movie about half way through my 13 1/2 yrs in Service and it reinforce some of the concepts that I had been taught. Primarily, with enough disciplined troops, you don't need high tech to win.

2. The movie "Das Boot"/"The Boat" was indeed a great movie and the book is even better, especially in the original German. My addition has additional comments by Herr Glass about the background for the book. The English version that was/is? available here in the states is a fairly accurate translation and the movie follows the book(s) quite closely. A lot better than most movie adaptations of books do.

Ken

[johnmcd]

There may have been a different title for the Zulu film in the US, in the UK the one with Micheal Caine in it was just called Zulu, unless there is some weird little suffix title that nobody talks about...

[Scouse Gits]

sorry double post
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[Scouse Gits]

Zulu was the Michael Caine vehicle,
Zulu Dawn a later clone with Burt Lancaster?, but probably better authenticity...



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[Bohlen]

I'm a little late on this, finbar...The Mouse That Roared is a great flick. I guess it only goes to show that with a little brains and some uncanny good luck, anyone can win the battle.

[The ANZAC]

Just to clear things up:

Zulu Dawn- With Burt Lancaster and Peter O'Toole. Depicts the battle of Isandlwana.

Zulu- Shows the Battle of Rorke's Drift where the British garrison of 180 men faces 6,000 Zulu warriors.

Shaka Zulu- Movie about the life of Shaka Zulu. (Just added this for further arguments)

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[Ken Hinds]

OK, I need a little help here. It's been close to 20 years since I saw any of the Zulu movies and maybe I have some misconnections between movies and titles. The movie that I thought was Zulu Dawn starts out with a discussion between various Powers that Be about the situation with the Zulus and whether/where they will attack and the Army's readiness/ability to handle the situation. The battles took place on fairly heavily raveened areas which gave the Zulus a considerable advantage. The British troops were using manually loaded breech loading firearms. They were vastly out numbered and did not have enough cases of ammo located at their forward deployed positions. This is what lead to my original question about the battle as depicted in the movie. The implications of the movie was that one of the main causes, if not the main cause, of the British Defeat was that too many units had people standing in line waiting for the distribution of too little additional ammunition that would arrive too late or not at all. Don't ask who was in this movie, because I have no clue. Hopefully someone of you can tell me which movie I actually saw. This was in a theater and not on TV so it wasn't Shaka Zulu, which I only saw part of anyway.

Thanks,

Ken

[The ANZAC]

Ken,

If the movie you saw had the British holed up in a mission, then it's Zulu. But I think you're talking about Zulu Dawn which in the beginning has a meeting with a Zulu ambassador and some British officials and the battle was lost because ammunition wasn't brought to the front in an orderly manner

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[Ken Hinds]

The ANZAC, thank you. I thought that I had seen Zulu Dawn. As I said the battle scenes were all on broken terrain. For the most part the Zulus were below the line of sight for the British or out of range and then they just swarmed up the hillsides overwhelming the defenders.

SG is probably correct in his assessement that Zulu Dawn may have been more technically accurate, at least as far as the terrain goes. I've replayed the battle as the Zulus in the Victoria campaign using Age of Rifles and the terrain map is full of hills, knolls, and ravines of various sizes. SSI is usually quite accurate in their preset scenarios and campaign components, consistant with game play requirements.

Do you know was ammunition distribution a significant problem in the actual battle? Or, was that just another case of American Filmmakers picking on the British Mentality for a bigger box office take?

Ken

[zyxpsilon]

Some more...

Horseman VS Horseman > THE ALAMO
Legion VS Phalanx > SPARTACUS
Catapult VS Warrior > CLEOPATRA
Subs VS Subs > 10,000 LEAGUES UNDER THE SEA

Each and everyone of those "movies" had units that looked almost identical to Civ's.

And the last but not the extremely important historical figure least;

Better believe it, because it was a pivotal bravery and courageous heroe in the glorious FRANCE against the BRITAIN invasion...

Knights VS Settlers and Fanatics > JOAN OF ARC

[johnmcd]

Oi! it wasn't a British invasion it was an ENGLISH invasion, we Scots have a alliance of over 700 with our French friends. So watch it or I'll start referring to you as an American.