Great country - Page 2

Dauphin · September 13, 2002, 18:11

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Originally posted by charmon1
i use roadrunner, ah i didnt really mean to say that they couldnt be built without america what i meant is almost every countrys space program expect russia has been helped from america.

After WW2 all nations, (including European, American and Russian), developed their own space programmes independently, all based on plundered German rockets and technology.

Pandemoniak · September 13, 2002, 18:14

Er...

Did you really became american by yourself ?

And about both the bomb and the space run, the scientists who worked for america werent only europeans that fled before WWII. It was also nazis scientists, gloriously saved from Nuremberg's judges by america who hired them.

And everytime america helped any one else, it was simply for their own profit. Can anyone let me know if they ever ONCE in their short history helped anyone just to be helpful ?

MrFun · September 13, 2002, 18:24

anyway, back to my question . . . . .

Pandemoniak · September 13, 2002, 18:31

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Originally posted by MrFun
I'm usually objective when looking at my own country, but to ensure that the other side gets heard here is a question:

Before 9/11, why was it that United States never received international help in disasters?

Because they dont really have "friends", just allies and trade allies, I guess.

Dauphin · September 13, 2002, 18:43

Because other nations are in need of aid more.

orange · September 13, 2002, 18:44

How Original

Pandemoniak · September 13, 2002, 18:45

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How original

How true.

Sandman · September 13, 2002, 18:46

This charming piece of propaganda comes up so often, I reckon we should prepare a standardised response.

red_jon · September 13, 2002, 18:47

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Originally posted by Sandman
This charming piece of propoganda comes up so often, I reckon we should prepare a standardised response.

I can think of a few choice ones...

flash9286 · September 13, 2002, 18:53

we really didnt get much help from 9/11 execpt for military forces which was really to help their own country from terrisom. america helps everytime somebody is in trouble we always give money and forces but hardly ever get thanked for it.

orange · September 13, 2002, 18:56

we're the most wealthy people on the planet, i think that's more than enough thanks

red_jon · September 13, 2002, 18:57

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Originally posted by charmon1
we really didnt get much help from 9/11 execpt for military forces which was really to help their own country from terrisom. america helps everytime somebody is in trouble we always give money and forces but hardly ever get thanked for it.

DL!

Do you like Fox News then?

Pandemoniak · September 13, 2002, 18:59

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Originally posted by charmon1
we really didnt get much help from 9/11 execpt for military forces which was really to help their own country from terrisom. america helps everytime somebody is in trouble we always give money and forces but hardly ever get thanked for it.

On June 2001, it was Paraguay, IIRC, was under
- floods
- volcano and earthquakes
- civil war
- plague
at the same time.

America's veto at the FMI refuse to cancel their extern debts. you call that help ?
While on 9/11/02, everyone commemorated, forgeting about all the rest of the world misery. We, the whole world, helped you to spread the propaganda for your oil war in Irak. (dont say its war on terrorism, America sold the weapons itself to these terrorists)
And you're not even thankful.

Damn capitalist greedy pigs.

Sandman · September 13, 2002, 19:05

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america helps everytime somebody is in trouble we always give money and forces but hardly ever get thanked for it.

That's shocking. Even International Rescue get thanked on a regular basis.

finkian · September 13, 2002, 19:12

Even though Charmon's somewhat inept defense of the US is lamentable, I agree with the spirit of his statement. Yes, the US has done some things that we should not be proud of... but I think America has done many things that it SHOULD be proud of-- ridding Afghanistan of a repressive government, stopping Iraqi atrocities in the streets of Kuwait City-- sure, of course they were for our benefit. But there are many things we do in which the benefit to us is not clear. Somalia-- it's unfortunate that our intervention in Somalia turned out so badly, but who was it who landed on the beach to feed the starving masses? And foreign aid to us during 9/11? Ok, the british went with us. Meanwhile, Palestinians danced in the streets, the Arab world in general sat back, Asia was silent... Europe, while not silent, goes forward to say that we should NOT further liberate countries under oppression-- and believe me, Iraq, and the Arab World, would benefit from the removal of Saddam's regime. Oh well. People are always pissed at those better of than they. Get over it. Find an economic system that works, instead being angry at us for having one.

flash9286 · September 13, 2002, 19:19

first we have gave the most money to the united nation, and you think america can just give people money without having to be repaid we do u think we get our money off a tree we have to work for it. america is trillions of dollar in debt but we still help.

red_jon · September 13, 2002, 19:22

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Originally posted by charmon1
first we have gave the most money to the united nation, and you think america can just give people money without having to be repaid we do u think we get our money off a tree we have to work for it. america is trillions of dollar in debt but we still help.

Please learn to use grammar before you drive everyone insane.

flash9286 · September 13, 2002, 19:24

i type 80 words a minute i dont have time for grammer i have a life

finkian · September 13, 2002, 19:27

even though it makes me hurt to read it, again, rather interesting that the most powerful argument some people can make is petty insults about grammar and spelling (besides, Charmon, what good is 80 words per minute without accuracy?)

flash9286 · September 13, 2002, 19:32

well i will try to slow down i have alot of free time today to argue as to your question to save time

KrazyHorse · September 13, 2002, 19:34

Perhaps we should point out that the US doesn't give any more money per capita than any other Western country, and gives less than some.

Anyhoo, this is about the 5th time the lead article has been posted...which is interesting, given that it's 30 years old. Get some new material, for God's sake.

flash9286 · September 13, 2002, 19:36

i just used the article as a shoe in to the topic. could you give them statistics i have different ones

Sandman · September 13, 2002, 19:38

A simple point: America is supporting the military dictator of Pakistan.

KrazyHorse · September 13, 2002, 19:47

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Originally posted by MrFun
Before 9/11, why was it that United States never received international help in disasters?

Yes you did. Not to the same extent as African countries, etc. of course (because you can deal with it yourselves, in the main) but Canada's often sent disaster teams south to help you when you needed it...and you've sent teams north.

In the end, this is a stupid question. The reason Guatemala doesn't sent relief to the poor besieged US is the same reason Mali doesn't send relief to France.

Lefty Scaevola · September 13, 2002, 21:00

That piece is so smurfing OLD. I first heard from the Sybyle Oracle in 500BC.

flash9286 · September 13, 2002, 21:34

United States
Location: North America
Population: 278 Million
Muslim pop.: 3% (est.)

The History - The Muslim Conflict - The Military

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History

The United States of America was founded in 1776. The American people consists of hundreds of Races and Religions. Although America is often criticized by many people, especially muslims, the truth is that America is by far one of the most just and liberal countries compared to the rest of the world.

The United States saved the world from Nazi Fascist Invasion in the 1940's. If it wasn't for the USA much of the world would have been destroyed and forced to live under a strict persecuting regime. The same Nations that criticize America's poltical system today, wouldn't even exist, had it not been for the American's strong courage in WWII.

Eventhough the US donated BILLIONS of dollars in international humanitarian aid to many places in the world ranging from Palestine all the way to Somalia, and risks many American soldier's lives just to keep peace aboard to avoid another world war breaking out, they are STILL criticized by foreign politicians for getting involved in business that is not theirs.

Europe and Islam should stop the jealousy and greed. Look for another political Scapegoat! America is the greatest supporter of freedom in the world, and those who deny that and use shallow propaganda to suggest otherwise are self-centered, poltically motivated sellouts

General Ludd · September 13, 2002, 22:55

Tuberski · September 13, 2002, 23:29

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Originally posted by Osweld

21 minutes after his post and that is the best you can come up with?

KrazyHorse · September 14, 2002, 00:06

He spent the first 20 minutes

When he was done, he was too weak to do anything except post a smilie.

red_jon · September 14, 2002, 05:18

God, what is it with the sudden increase in idiot right-wingers which have suddently sprung up round poly?

"We are the best, everything we do is for good, you're all just jealous, no-one helps us, blah, blah, blah."