 |
View Poll Results: What do we do with our great leader(Runoff)
|
 |
Build Army
|
  
|
11 |
23.91% |
Build Sun Tsu's Academy
|
  
|
35 |
76.09% |
|
September 15, 2002, 17:58
|
#31
|
Deity
Local Time: 02:01
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 11,289
|
Quote:
|
Originally posted by Aggie
He's on the road between uber and geo. Are you using save 170ADend. Scared me for a second there.
Aggie
|
I downloaded the one from the report thread and was worried the game had been saved BEFORE the GL.
|
|
|
|
September 15, 2002, 18:36
|
#32
|
Emperor
Local Time: 10:01
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Haifa, Israel
Posts: 5,474
|
We can't rename units that produced a GL in 1.21, only in 1.29. Bummer.
__________________
"Close your eyes, for your eyes will only tell the truth,
And the truth isn't what you want to see,
Close your eyes, and let music set you free..."
- Phantom of the Opera
|
|
|
|
September 15, 2002, 19:01
|
#33
|
Deity
Local Time: 02:01
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: of naught
Posts: 21,300
|
Army!
__________________
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(") This is Bunny. Copy and paste bunny into your signature to help him gain world domination.
|
|
|
|
September 15, 2002, 19:15
|
#34
|
King
Local Time: 02:01
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Wichita,KS,USA
Posts: 1,044
|
If you build the Art of War on Uber, you will gain its benefits only on Uber and nowhere else.
Also, we need to use him ASAP, whether it is for an Army or for something else. Since we can't get anymore GL's until he is used. We need to use him immediately, this turn coming up before we commit any combat actions.
|
|
|
|
September 15, 2002, 19:24
|
#35
|
Deity
Local Time: 02:01
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 11,289
|
Quote:
|
Originally posted by kring
If you build the Art of War on Uber, you will gain its benefits only on Uber and nowhere else.
Also, we need to use him ASAP, whether it is for an Army or for something else. Since we can't get anymore GL's until he is used. We need to use him immediately, this turn coming up before we commit any combat actions.
|
Since when do Sun Tzu only work in the city its built in? Ubergorsk will allow it to work all over the main continent.
Anyway, first thing next turn I propose he march into Ubergorsk and build Sun Tzu. No chance of missing out on another GL as he'll be gone before any more battles.
|
|
|
|
September 15, 2002, 19:32
|
#36
|
Emperor
Local Time: 10:01
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Haifa, Israel
Posts: 5,474
|
Quote:
|
Originally posted by kring
If you build the Art of War on Uber, you will gain its benefits only on Uber and nowhere else.
|
Ghengis meant Uber as in Ubergorsk, not Uber Isle.
__________________
"Close your eyes, for your eyes will only tell the truth,
And the truth isn't what you want to see,
Close your eyes, and let music set you free..."
- Phantom of the Opera
|
|
|
|
September 15, 2002, 19:45
|
#37
|
King
Local Time: 03:01
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 1,088
|
In the previous discussion I stated that I supported building an army.
My opinion has changed. Sun Tzu: The Art of War will do more good. Gepap also makes a great point when he says:
Quote:
|
We know the benefits of getting the Art of War, and we also know the dangers of a major civ. getting it, which would make thier armies far more formidable, as Shiber has stated. We don't know if we ever will get another GL because it is random. We might get a dozen without the heroic epic, 3 with, 0 without- we just can't know: we should not make policy based on the probabiliuty of winning the GL lottery, that is gambling. We should make policy based on what we know. GL's aren't a solution. I would like to be able to build an economy capable of bulding great wonders without GL help. I would like even to build a force and empire so great that all the wonders of the world won't defeat us. Getting the Art of War, forever giving our armies a boost and denying the advantage of professionalism to the enemies armies will help us in that respect.
|
|
|
|
|
September 15, 2002, 19:47
|
#38
|
King
Local Time: 04:01
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Cincinnati
Posts: 2,015
|
Quote:
|
Originally posted by Shiber
We can't rename units that produced a GL in 1.21, only in 1.29. Bummer.
|
i remember that now
 damn, thats too bad
|
|
|
|
September 15, 2002, 20:14
|
#39
|
Prince
Local Time: 03:01
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Commonwealth of Commonsense
Posts: 608
|
Quote:
|
Originally posted by Aggie
One thing to say though, it only produces barrack on its continent I thought. Aggie
|
True, but what a continent!! (Abananaba, I mean)
I was leaning toward the army/heroic epic route, but I find GF's reasoning pretty compelling.
Except that if it were possible to buy Theology, I'd definitely prefer the Sistine Chapel, which IMO is one of the most powerful wonders in the game.
__________________
aka, Unique Unit
Wielder of Weapons of Mass Distraction
|
|
|
|
September 15, 2002, 22:27
|
#40
|
Deity
Local Time: 02:01
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 11,289
|
Quote:
|
Originally posted by Robber Baron
Except that if it were possible to buy Theology, I'd definitely prefer the Sistine Chapel, which IMO is one of the most powerful wonders in the game.
|
I agree, but I think building Sun Tzu next turn will give us a shot at both as long as we keep pressing the war with Persia.
I suggest after building Sun Tzu, start building our war units in Ubergorsk, Napoleton, Geofront, Seeberg, and Loveshack.
Start civilizing the cities of Termina, Apolyton, Tassagrad, BHQ, Timeline, and Gaia but first build a settler from Apolyton or Tassagrad to fill the gap between Tass and Timline.
Settle Uber Isle and then civilize it.
This way parts of our civ will be moving forward to build commerce and science while only part continues the war on Persia.
|
|
|
|
September 16, 2002, 03:16
|
#41
|
Emperor
Local Time: 08:01
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Apolyton's Resident Law Enforcement Officer.
Posts: 4,811
|
Sun Tzu will enable us to defend new cities instantly instead of having to garrisoning multiple units for long periods of time.
|
|
|
|
September 16, 2002, 04:31
|
#42
|
Deity
Local Time: 02:01
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: of naught
Posts: 21,300
|
OK. If you are bound and determined to build a Wonder, at least save the GL and build Sistine, please.
Sun Tzu's is the least useful for the long term. Barracks cost 1 gpt upkeep.
Colosseum's cost 2gpt and make 2 people content.
A cathedral costs 2gpt and makes 3 people content. That is doubled to 6 with Sistine. We build a catherdral, we don't need a colosseum for a long while; with some luxuries and marketplaces, after hospitals.
Also, Sun Tzu's is 2 culture per turn. Sistine is 6. Culture effects whether our oppo is favourable to us or not.
__________________
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(") This is Bunny. Copy and paste bunny into your signature to help him gain world domination.
|
|
|
|
September 16, 2002, 04:34
|
#43
|
Deity
Local Time: 02:01
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: of naught
Posts: 21,300
|
Quote:
|
Originally posted by GhengisFarb
I agree, but I think building Sun Tzu next turn will give us a shot at both as long as we keep pressing the war with Persia.
|
You are most likely incorrect. Civ3 general and strategy are littered with examples of people who only got one GL in the entire game. Of course, most of them built a wonder and did not build the army to increase the chances of getting more.
__________________
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(") This is Bunny. Copy and paste bunny into your signature to help him gain world domination.
|
|
|
|
September 16, 2002, 04:39
|
#44
|
Civ4: Colonization Content Editor
Local Time: 09:01
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 11,117
|
Sun Tzu's is fine. So is the Sistine. But "preserving" a leader imho isn't the right way.
|
|
|
|
September 16, 2002, 05:45
|
#45
|
Warlord
Local Time: 08:01
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Some backwater sheepstation in the wop wops
Posts: 108
|
We have up until the next battle that our elite units are involved in to either get Theology and Sistines or build Sun Tzus.
|
|
|
|
September 16, 2002, 08:33
|
#46
|
Emperor
Local Time: 10:01
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Posts: 8,117
|
hi ,
 , some difficult choices here , .....
building sun tzu on uber has its pros and cons , .....
we should start with it somewhere , we can always switch to an other wonder if those species build it first , ....
if we would get an army we can get more GLs , .... and from a tactical point of view it would be more intresting , .....
have a nice day
|
|
|
|
September 16, 2002, 08:49
|
#47
|
Emperor
Local Time: 04:01
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Detroit
Posts: 4,551
|
I am torn....
Usually I go first for an army....
But sun tzu is tempting....
So is holding on to him and getting leos....
I shall follow the will of the people in this one... looks like sun tzu is winning, thus I shall set up next orders to account for this.
__________________
Try peace first. If that does not work, then killing them is often a good solution. :evil:
As long as I could figure a way to hump myself, I would be OK with that
--Con
|
|
|
|
September 17, 2002, 01:00
|
#48
|
Warlord
Local Time: 00:01
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: California
Posts: 194
|
I think that the question should rather be to build a wonder of some sort or an army. Some people including me don't want to neglect the benefits of Sistine Chapel yet. BTW, does anyone know if anyone is building either wonder?
__________________
Est-ce que tu as vu une baleine avec un queue taché?
If you don't feel the slightist bit joyful seeing the Iraqis dancing in the street, then you are lost to the radical left. If you don't feel the slightest bit bad that we had to use force to do this, then you are lost to the radical right.
|
|
|
|
September 17, 2002, 02:34
|
#49
|
Warlord
Local Time: 08:01
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Some backwater sheepstation in the wop wops
Posts: 108
|
Virtually every civ that can is building Sun Tzu's. And that will switch to Sistines if we use GL.
|
|
|
|
September 17, 2002, 02:55
|
#50
|
Emperor
Local Time: 09:01
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: EMPEROR of Cats
Posts: 3,229
|
Yes, but some Civs are =also= building the Chapel.
When we build Sun Tzu, I don't think they can switch to another wonder, because of this (within a Civ, only one city can work on a particular wonder at a time).
They will loose all accumulated production in the cities that were building Sun Tzu.
__________________
Greatest moments in cat:
__________________
"Miaooow..!"
|
|
|
|
September 17, 2002, 06:25
|
#51
|
Emperor
Local Time: 10:01
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Haifa, Israel
Posts: 5,474
|
I don't think so. They can switch to another building without losing shields because they haven't been building it for so long (or because in the worst case they can switch to Colosseum).
However we'd still get to see their shocked faces when we build Sun Tzu's.
__________________
"Close your eyes, for your eyes will only tell the truth,
And the truth isn't what you want to see,
Close your eyes, and let music set you free..."
- Phantom of the Opera
Last edited by Shiber; September 17, 2002 at 06:34.
|
|
|
|
September 17, 2002, 06:58
|
#52
|
Emperor
Local Time: 10:01
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Posts: 8,117
|
hi ,
we can always start to build a wonder , and lets hope that we can build an other one by the time they have it , this way we can switch easy , .... so we should focus our research on a tech that gives us a wonder , .....
have a nice day
Last edited by Panag; September 17, 2002 at 07:38.
|
|
|
|
September 17, 2002, 07:16
|
#53
|
Deity
Local Time: 02:01
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 11,289
|
Quote:
|
Originally posted by panag
hi ,
we can always strt to build a wonder , and lets hope that we can build an other one by the time they have it , this way we can switch easy , .... so we should focus our research on a tech that gives us a wonder , .....
have a nice day
|
You're missing the point all those shields would be wasted.
We cannot "build" a great wonder as the AI civs have too many advantages over us. We have to use a GL if we want one and starting on one now defeats the purpose of using a GL.
|
|
|
|
September 17, 2002, 07:34
|
#54
|
Emperor
Local Time: 10:01
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Haifa, Israel
Posts: 5,474
|
A huge advantage in fact. They get a 25% discount on the price of any building in shields, and I think this applies to wonders as well.
__________________
"Close your eyes, for your eyes will only tell the truth,
And the truth isn't what you want to see,
Close your eyes, and let music set you free..."
- Phantom of the Opera
|
|
|
|
September 17, 2002, 07:40
|
#55
|
Emperor
Local Time: 10:01
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Posts: 8,117
|
Quote:
|
Originally posted by GhengisFarb
You're missing the point all those shields would be wasted.
We cannot "build" a great wonder as the AI civs have too many advantages over us. We have to use a GL if we want one and starting on one now defeats the purpose of using a GL.
|
hi ,
nono , the point is to switch , .....
we start now with a wonder , if they have it , and we have the tech to switch to an other wonder we should be safe , that is what meant , .....
have a nice day
|
|
|
|
September 17, 2002, 08:44
|
#56
|
Deity
Local Time: 02:01
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 11,289
|
Whatever its used for the GL has to be used NOW, we cannot use ANY elite unit in combat, attack or defense until the GL is gone.
Period.
The fact that people sit on GLs is EXACTLY why they only generate one.
|
|
|
|
September 17, 2002, 10:59
|
#57
|
King
Local Time: 03:01
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Of GOW's half of BOB
Posts: 1,847
|
The only time I sit on a great leaders is if a war is basically over and no more elites will fight and a tech is almost mine that will give a wonder I really really want. If we could buy theology from someone, it would almost be worth it since we would be buying the wonder. Yes I prefer it to sun Tsu's but I don't think we will be buying theology soon. but thta could change, let me ask this how much gold is sistine worth to us, because by buying theology we are buying it(and yes lets figure this out BEFORE the chat).
Aggie
__________________
The 5th President, 2nd SMC and 8th VP in the Civ3 Demogame. Also proud member of the GOW team in the PTW game. Peace through superior firepower.
|
|
|
|
September 17, 2002, 11:48
|
#58
|
Warlord
Local Time: 08:01
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: What? You want to visit?
Posts: 269
|
My observation, first thing next turn see if there's any way to acquire Theology. If we can acquire it (Persia doesn't count, we aren't negotiating with them) then get it and build the Sistine Chapel. If not, build Sun Tzu, this way we are guaranteed a wonder, and if we're lucky we'll get another GL in time to build the Sistine.
__________________
Proud member of the Hawk Party.
|
|
|
|
September 17, 2002, 17:58
|
#59
|
Emperor
Local Time: 10:01
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Posts: 8,117
|
Quote:
|
Originally posted by GhengisFarb
Whatever its used for the GL has to be used NOW, we cannot use ANY elite unit in combat, attack or defense until the GL is gone.
Period.
The fact that people sit on GLs is EXACTLY why they only generate one.
|
hi ,
okay here is the solution ;
get the the chapel , we take the tech from that evil species , or buy it , whatever , and build the chapel on Uber Isle or our capital , ....
meaning with build , we can use the GL , yes or no is an other Q
the best to do actually is to build an army , .....
have a nice day
|
|
|
|
September 17, 2002, 21:20
|
#60
|
Deity
Local Time: 02:01
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 11,289
|
What do we do with our next GL?
|
|
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is On
|
|
|
All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:01.
|
|