September 26, 2002, 20:26
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I don't think Jesus was into the death penalty. He was more a "go and mass murder no more" kind of guy.
He might have been into unusual punishment though.
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September 26, 2002, 22:44
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Jesus would be against the Death penalty, but God (Judeo-Christian) wouldn't be.
Personally, I think its wrong for Christians to always be concerned with Jesus. God is the one calling all the shots anyways.
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September 27, 2002, 00:36
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Pssst, Sava - they're supposed to be the same person. Not seperate entities. What one thinks and feels the other one presumably would as well.
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September 27, 2002, 04:22
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I'm so impressed how people can find in the bible justification for whatever particular views they hold.
There was even a reference about the passage which gave rise to the divine right of Kings. I didn't think that the US or any other government had a divine right to make decsions .
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September 27, 2002, 10:24
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Originally posted by TheStinger
I'm so impressed how people can find in the bible justification for whatever particular views they hold.
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Why is it impressive to you? You started the thread.
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September 27, 2002, 10:27
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Then why do they contradict each other MacT?
Anyways... I don't need a God to tell me right from wrong, I think its sad that most people do. If God said stealing was okay, I still wouldn't do it. But many good Christians would. In fact, most of the Waspy corporate types do.
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September 27, 2002, 10:28
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Its impressive how completeley opposite views can be taken from the same passages.
It was actually an attempt at a troll, it seemed to prove a vaugely serious discussion though
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September 27, 2002, 10:30
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Originally posted by TheStinger
it seemed to prove a vaugely serious discussion though
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Sava's going to kill that.
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September 27, 2002, 10:32
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Just more proof that Christianity is false... I think its ironic that the Bible's own passages debunk itself. Overall, its a good collection of parables and allegories... It's just too bad that so many sheep follow it literally.
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September 27, 2002, 10:32
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September 27, 2002, 13:14
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Originally posted by monkspider
The DP is nowhere *near* as necesarry as divorce. To simply acquiesce the sinful DP as being an "unfortunate necessity" is a very poor christian attitude to have. It is a Christian's duty to oppose any sins, regardless of how powerful and ingrained in our culture they may be.
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I don't think it is a very poor Christian attitude. It is pragmatic as Jesus was. Somethings are necessary because people sin. It's simple as that. It is tragic and unfortunate.
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September 27, 2002, 13:16
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Originally posted by November Adam
I'm not sure the comparison is equatable to divorce though. As divorce was a last resort sort of issue. Where as the DP is never required when incarcaration is available. Especially in that the longer a person lives the more time they have to coming to God.
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Of course, it is not a perfect comparison. I never meant it that way. I only note there similarity in this one respect: they are not desirable, only necessary.
What do you mean, "the DP is never required when incarnation is available"?
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September 27, 2002, 13:20
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Originally posted by SwitchMoO
Exactly as Nov. Adam said, if we don't kill them, then we have more time to bring them to Christ. By sentencing someone to death (who isn't a Christian), we are pretty much condeming them to eternal damnation in Hell (which is a very real and scary place. I forget the passages, but they give a DETAILED description of it). I'd rather bless them, or at least have the chance to bless them, with an eternity with Christ. Wouldn't you?
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You are doing no such thing. Only God has the perogative to condemn people. BTW, confronted with the DP, many hardened criminals have turned to Christ (for some it may be little more than an attempt to hedge their bets but with others I'd like to think it is genuine. . . sometimes love has to be tough love, especially for the "tough" of society . . .).
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September 27, 2002, 13:52
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Originally posted by ckweb
What do you mean, "the DP is never required when incarnation is available"?
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Incarcaration. The view of many people is that the DP is not an effective deterrent, so there's no practical advantage to be gained by putting somebody to death rather than imprisoning them for life.
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September 27, 2002, 15:08
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Originally posted by loinburger
Incarcaration. The view of many people is that the DP is not an effective deterrent, so there's no practical advantage to be gained by putting somebody to death rather than imprisoning them for life.
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Oh, my mistake . . . oops! I obviously misread.
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