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Old September 26, 2002, 10:56   #1
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ELECTION: Director of Social Engineering
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Old September 26, 2002, 17:57   #2
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What will happen if Mr. ABSTAIN wins?
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he cant win sorry
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Old September 26, 2002, 17:58   #4
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We should then re-poll it with at least one more candidate. Actually, we shoudl do that in any case where Archaic doesnt make 50%+ votes.
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Old September 26, 2002, 18:09   #5
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he cant win sorry
mr abstain is winning now
i think it's unlikely, but in the case that abstain wins in any election, it must be taken as a vote of no-confidence in the candidate, and a replacement found, who then faces a repoll.
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I agree with Darkness Edge. According to poll results, even a banana wouldnt trust Archaic as a political leader.
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Old September 26, 2002, 18:34   #7
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*monitoring the situation with great interest*

Many many hours to go, however.
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Old September 27, 2002, 01:52   #8
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I think people are voting against me less on no confidence and more on the fact that I had the audacity to vote against Unskilled Labourer Pan with a Write-in. I wish they'd get over it already, stop thinking with only your emotions and factor in a little logic. Even if they don't like me, they should at least see that I can do the job, and damn well. And it seems I'm the only person who's willing to stand up and be counted to boot.

Or perhaps they're voting against me because of the pathetic strawman of Free Market being "wage-slavery"?
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I think I'm gonna wait till later on this vote....

no one else wants to run?
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Old September 27, 2002, 15:17   #10
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no one else wants to run?
With the situation looking the way it is, I've decided to run in case Archaic does get less then 50 percent of the votes.
But please, keep voting Abstain instead of Write-in in this poll, if you wish to opine against Archaic (to avoid fragmentation of votes).

Edit - note that I won't be able to be even half as active as I've been so far. I can visit the forums and check the save maybe twice a week, and turnchats are out of the question. The DoSE post doesn't have too much activity as it is, at the moment, so that prolly won't be a big problem.
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C'mon - the guy stepped up to the plate - voting abstain is ridiculous.

And as for abstentions forcing a revote - no way. If people don't like archaic they should have fielded a candidate or wrote one in. Since they did neither I have no sympathy - if you sit on your hands during a vote you get the leader you deserve. (no offence meant, archaic)
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Abstain in election polls is, and always has been in our DGs, a vote of no-confidence in the candidate(s).

If a vote of no-confidence is passed (and at this point, it's looking quite possible), then a revote must be held, as it appears, with possibly Kassiopeia and Diablero.
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I, of course, abstain in this election. For more reasons than one...
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Well thank you for mentioning me DE, I had already thought of nominating myself, but we also need an Alpha Talent, a position for which I have offered my services.
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What's the deal with rejecting a sole candidate? Is this some kind of CCCP fallout or what?
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What's the deal with rejecting a sole candidate? Is this some kind of CCCP fallout or what?
Nope. Take Maniac, for instance. He founded P4, and yet has been installed with very few abstains, because he's a good candidate.
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What's the deal with rejecting a sole candidate? Is this some kind of CCCP fallout or what?
Archaic hasn't exactly endeared himself to some of the posters here, myself included...
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Well said. I was trying to think of a way to word this, myself, but decided to keep my mouth shut.

The gap is narrowing...
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Indeed it has. This will be a close election, decided by the Lurkers and by people returning from all sorts of holidays. It'll be interesting to see how it turns out.

No offense taken BTW Echinda.

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Nope. Take Maniac, for instance. He founded P4, and yet has been installed with very few abstains, because he's a good candidate.
However, I *do* take offense at this. The reason, as far as I can see, for people abstaining, is because they don't like me personally, not because of worries that I wouldn't be devoted to the position. To them, I say get over it. To everyone else, who's abstaining because they don't think I'd be a good enough canditate (I suppose there may be one or two of you), I ask why you didn't write in a canditate, or put one in in the first place? Not to mention refrained from much comment in the debate thread.
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I agree I think this is pretty childish of you all. IF there was anohter candidate then ok but abstaining just because you dont like it....! COME ON
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I agree I think this is pretty childish of you all. IF there was anohter candidate then ok but abstaining just because you dont like it....! COME ON
Again, abstain is a vote of no confidence. So...Abstaining because you dont like the candidate means you dont like the candidate and want a new one.
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Archaic is closing in again at Mr. Abstain. This might get tense after all...
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Originally posted by Tassadar5000 Again, abstain is a vote of no confidence. So...Abstaining because you dont like the candidate means you dont like the candidate and want a new one.
Exactly.

With all respect, Archaic, you can't expect there not to be a backlash against you if people don't like you. It's the way politics works. You try standing for parliament/congress/whatever if you've rubbed a large percentage of the electorate up the wrong way.
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If I'd done that, I'd expect them to either donkey vote (Meaning they've given up their right to vote to try and make a statement), or vote for another canditate. 'Lo and behold, there is no other canditate. In that position, I'd expect to be elected unopposed. That's how things work.

Afterall, don't forget that in the Planetary Council, if only one person votes Yes and the rest Abstain, the measure passes. By Abstaining, you give up your right to vote. It's not a vote of no confidence. It's a vote of 'I'm making a statement that I don't like any of the options, so I'm not going to exercise my right to make a vote."

Hell, by the logic here, would anyone in the US be elected to their positions? Voter turnout there isn't even at 50% in many cases. Because all the other people abstained from voting should no canditate go into office?
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Afterall, don't forget that in the Planetary Council, if only one person votes Yes and the rest Abstain, the measure passes. By Abstaining, you give up your right to vote. It's not a vote of no confidence. It's a vote of 'I'm making a statement that I don't like any of the options, so I'm not going to exercise my right to make a vote."
Were not talking about the Planetary Council because this isnt the planetary council, we are talking about this election. There are a huge number of "abstain" votes and currently abstain is winning against you. This is (to my knowledge) not happening in any other election.

I doubt all these people just didnt want to vote. I personally voted as a vote of no confidence. I'm pretty sure most of the others did too. And I think most people are in agreement.....If abstain wins this election, then we will have another election for this position. We will continue to have elections until a candidate has been selected.

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Am I correct?
Yes. This is the precedent that's been set by prior democracy games, though, to my knowledge, it's never had to be used before.

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Afterall, don't forget that in the Planetary Council, if only one person votes Yes and the rest Abstain, the measure passes.
Unfortunately, in the Planetary Council, there is the option of a nay vote. Our abstain is our way of a no-confidence vote. Bad example. Thank you, come again.

That's about all I've got to say on this matter. I'm not going to be drawn into a flame war.
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If you're voting no confidence, *why* do you have no confidence. Explain your position beyond the rather obvious fact that you hate me for speaking up and out against you and your hypocrisy and give a few valid reasons for why you think I couldn't do the job. Otherwise, quite frankly I think we shouldn't have any confidence in your protest vote being anything but that.
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You can't come up with a single one. How suprising. Concession accepted.
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If you're voting no confidence, *why* do you have no confidence. Explain your position beyond the rather obvious fact that you hate me for speaking up and out against you and your hypocrisy and give a few valid reasons for why you think I couldn't do the job. Otherwise, quite frankly I think we shouldn't have any confidence in your protest vote being anything but that.
The very sad fact that you are 'open'. This tells people that you do have striking rationale, but limited appreciation for other people's emotions tells something of a person. A human person needs emotions and understanding of them to operate as an individual in a community - this trait is vital for a person acting as the Director of a democracy game. If the Director acts coldly against other persons - whatever may these persons' opinions be, even obviously false - he won't get support from others.

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