September 27, 2002, 16:33
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It's not like some of us are so independent we loathe knowing we need a pill to help us... Believe me, if I thought that "changing things" would help - then I would assume moving to college, then changing my major twice would do it, especially if High School was the crappiest four years of my life. It just doesn't work that one day you say - "Hey, I'm not happy, why don't I become happy!".
WRT Paxil, I was taking it in the afternoon, but I found that I would get really tired he hour or two prior to my next dose, so I take it in the morning and it's working out pretty good - I'm not more tired than usual.
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September 27, 2002, 16:33
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Maniac. I read your comments about instructing depressives to take control of their lives with fascination.
I now await your advice to amputees to regrow their limbs.
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September 27, 2002, 16:36
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Originally posted by Ron Jeremy
Who lets these anal bleeders post? Who the bollocks takes some barely-housetrained puppy and equips them with sufficient opions to press a combination of keys, yet insufficient sense to realise that they're making an utter dildo of themself?
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Hey, dildos bring people pleasure.
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September 27, 2002, 16:38
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I was taking Zoloft. That drug, however, has a particularly unpleasant side effect. It gives you explosive diarhrea and an tendency to crap oneself. 
Yeah, I figured out that if I took it before I went to sleep, I wouldn't have that problem, but then it gave me massive (and very smelly) gas. I decided to stop taking it.
I could probably use something else, though. Pot would be nice.
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September 27, 2002, 16:43
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For me Zoloft just caused hives and bronchial spasms. It's wonderful!
It has helped some people I know though. That's the fun of mental disorders, the doctors aren't really sure themselves how the medication will affect you. They just make an educated guess and watch.
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September 27, 2002, 16:45
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It made me feel a lot better about myself, except when I lost control in public.
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September 27, 2002, 16:49
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Depakote made me drowsy at first, but after taking it for a year I was used to the effect and it wasn't a problem anymore. However, when I stopped taking the stuff, I wasn't able to sleep much for about three months.
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September 27, 2002, 16:50
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Imagine youre self-esteem after a big shite in your pants
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September 27, 2002, 16:54
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One I figured out it was the drug, I didn't feel so bad, but up to that point it was a pretty big blow to the self-esteem.
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September 27, 2002, 18:47
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I know knew what you are talking about. But don't accept your problem damn it. Take charge again! Do things you don't like. Create more willpower.
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Do you still not understand the difference between people who are depressed because things aren't going so hot for them, and people who are depressed because the chemicals in their brains are imbalanced?
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September 27, 2002, 19:16
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prozac, lithium, and norpramin for a few months in 94. for depression. i was prescribed to prozac after i quit high school. the others upon being commited to a mental hospital later that year.
none of it really helped though, my problem is more a logical one than an emotional one. i dont necessarily *feel* depressed all the time, i just think the world is a pretty rotten place.
in the end, only smoking pot has ever helped my 'condition'.
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September 27, 2002, 20:17
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Originally posted by Ron Jeremy
There used to be markedly higher numbers of mad relatives locked it attics and cellars however.
Who lets these anal bleeders post? Who the bollocks takes some barely-housetrained puppy and equips them with sufficient opions to press a combination of keys, yet insufficient sense to realise that they're making an utter dildo of themself?
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Note the use of word I in my post.
I wont comment your reaction though.
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September 27, 2002, 20:21
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yall are a bunch of freaks. in my hood people are always getting drive-byed and ****, but ain't nobody ***** enough to take anti-depressants.
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September 27, 2002, 20:25
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Quote some Tupac lyrics so that we can better understand where you're coming from.
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September 28, 2002, 05:08
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Maniac. I read your comments about instructing depressives to take control of their lives with fascination.
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Environmental depression is a mental problem. So you can cure it by changing your mentality. Seems obvious. Hell I did it. Why can't you? And don't tell me it's because your life sucks/sucked that much more than mine. Then do something about it. Forcing yourself to do little things like taking a shower every few days or eating on a fixed time is a good start, even if you don't feel like it. Is that really that impossible to do? Create some willpower. Turn the vicious circle around. It's a self-increasing effect.
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Do you still not understand the difference between people who are depressed because things aren't going so hot for them, and people who are depressed because the chemicals in their brains are imbalanced?
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Yes I do. Read my answer to Loinburger. That comment was directed to Lauren who became depressed by a dying family member.
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September 28, 2002, 05:19
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara Yes, that's all despressed people really need, a swift kick in the pants. ****ing idiot.
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Well they need to give themselves a proverbial one. That's true.
What do they need according to you then? How are they supposed to solve their problem? By taking medicines for the rest of their lives?
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September 28, 2002, 05:26
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To break the downward spiral of depression- yes.
The brutal fact remains that if your brain continues to produce the wrong balance of chemicals and hormones you will remain depressed.
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September 28, 2002, 05:36
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Ok, like I said to Loinburger, medication might be temporarily ok for environmental depressed to break the spiral, but while you're taking them you have to achieve a mentality change, or you will need them for the rest of your lives.
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The brutal fact remains that if your brain continues to produce the wrong balance of chemicals and hormones you will remain depressed.
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Indeed. So for genetical depressions a mentality change is unlikely to work. But environmental depressed can change their chemical balance themselves so they won't need the medication anymore after a while. I abhor the (depressing) idea of being nothing more than a bunch of chemicals affected by medicines. Take conscious control of your own body I'd say.
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September 28, 2002, 05:54
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Wow, I never realised that so many people would be taking medication on this site!!!!
I therefore feel incredibly lucky that I have never needed to - in fact I'm so laid back that I'm often in danger of falling over!
Actually that's my problem - general procrastination from not taking things too seriously... It can be a real pain in the arse at times.
I did do a course in counselling once when I was feeling a bit directionless - more out of curiosity and the fact that it was free... It was quite helpful really, reinforcing what I already knew I had to do - like, er, having a confrontation with my mother over her attitude towards me and issues with my upbringing. We're still not talking almost a year later - she'll come round at some point though...
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September 28, 2002, 10:05
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i'm not depressed, just british
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September 28, 2002, 11:16
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I think those of us who haven't been medicated for a mental condition should be a bit more tolerant on this thread. A mental illness is not different from a physical illness. It should be treated.
I've been out of my tree a few times but never got treatment
I'm not sure when feelings, thoughts and mood slip into illness.
I wonder sometimes if the doctors reach for the pills too readily these days.
I had a flatmate who just took to his bed one day and stayed there for days. I had to get a friend of his to contact his family. He had depression.
One thing I have in my favor is an ability to look on the bright side of life, like Brian.
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September 28, 2002, 12:33
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lifestyle changes? whata joke. If I thought a lifestyle change would make a difference, I would shave my head tommorrow and start all over again. But it doesnt work like that. I have changed since I was younger. Alot. It still does nothing.
Its not as simple as a Life change. Ya that could help. But its very unlikely to actually sovle your problems. The same issue's force there way into your head and you just lose motivation...again and again.
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September 28, 2002, 14:02
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It is right, changes of scenery, changes in lifestyle, they never work. It's like grasping at straws that invariably disappear between your fingers. Damn, I try to be happy and to make big changes and try and see a context for my existence, but it just doesn't happen...
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September 28, 2002, 14:07
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I think we should make people with AIDS will their disease away.
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September 28, 2002, 15:13
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September 28, 2002, 15:25
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Lifestyle changes are indeed stupid. Mentality changes not. Anyway, further posting here is futile. They just don't want to see depression is not a regular physical disease/accident like aids or losing a limb you can't do anything about.
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September 28, 2002, 15:26
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Mr. Amateur Clinical Psychologist strikes again!
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September 28, 2002, 15:27
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You cant. Depression is a problem. Its not somthing you can treat without medicine.
Have you really ever been depressed? Or are you just coming from somthing you saw on Oprah?
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September 28, 2002, 16:07
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Edited.  I don't feel like telling my past miseries to the entire world...
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What do they need according to you then? How are they supposed to solve their problem? By taking medicines for the rest of their lives?
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Che Guevara, still waiting for an answer...
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September 28, 2002, 18:02
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My answer not good enough for you?
I'm intrigued to see that you're convinced that depression is something "you can do something about". Can you give me any tips on how to stop my brain and body making imbalanced production of hormones to prevent any further bouts?
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