orange meets Mr. Green himself, Ralph Nader - Page 3

chequita guevara · October 9, 2002, 10:11

Moi, no. He just serves as a nice foil to the two corporate parties.

Sprayber · October 9, 2002, 10:12

Orange: you have spent more time attacking fellow posters then making sense. That tends to take away from whatever valid point you may have.

I think maybe che's explaination of why he supports Nader makes the most sense. Don't be too impressed with Nader. He isn't that much different from others. It's just his angle on the game.

SlowwHand · October 9, 2002, 10:14

What about bringing back Ross Perot? He was good for a laugh?

chequita guevara · October 9, 2002, 10:17

Wrong party, and the Reform Party has been taken over by Buchanan and his sister anyway. It's effectively dead.

Arrian · October 9, 2002, 10:36

Boshko,

A cross between the Greens and Libs, huh? Interesting. I voted Lib in '96 and Green in '00. So it appears that I've got a similar combo of beliefs. Tough to actually apply them, though.

I've been voting for 3rd parties as long as I've been able to vote. The Democrats and Republicans both disgust me. Barring some earthshaking change in them, I will deny them my vote.

-Arrian

chequita guevara · October 9, 2002, 11:14

I wish we could force a realignment of the parties. Get the progressives out of the Democrats and the reactionaries out of the Republicans, then force what's left of the Republicans and the Democrats (the majority in both parties) to merge, Whigs, Democratic-Republicans, and the Progressive Parties. Sounds good.

Caligastia · October 9, 2002, 11:17

I actually supported Nader in the last election. Mainly because I wanted the greens to get their 5%. I think he's a bit loony though.

Arrian · October 9, 2002, 11:45

I agree with Che :shock:

Reactionaries from both parties + the religious wrong = God Bless America Party
Socialists + other far lefties = Workers of the US Unite party
Remaining Republicans and Democrats = Centrist Party

Where does that put the Libs, though? They would surely object to being lumped in with the fundamentalists, and they can't be in the WotUSU! party for obvious reasons.

-Arrian

Giancarlo · October 9, 2002, 12:30

Did you know the name Nader rhymes with traitor? That is what he is. Born a traitor... live a traitor.

Luckily only very few ultra-radical leftist twits support the crap rhetoric that comes out of this traitor's mouth.

Bosh · October 9, 2002, 12:55

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A cross between the Greens and Libs, huh? Interesting. I voted Lib in '96 and Green in '00. So it appears that I've got a similar combo of beliefs. Tough to actually apply them, though.

w00t! A second Boshkoist

Basically I think that libertarianism is good but it doesn't work unless you have a socialist economy (can't have freedom without equality or the rich end up grabbing power or the poor end up grabbing bread no matter how much people like DF would prefer that they starve on the streets). But socialist economies don't work unless they're set up voluntarily (co-ops etc. etc.) and is run by workers instead of by government, so that leaves me in a strange situation.
Of course I could just not vote like most people who agree with me on most things, but it seems like a bit of a waste...

Boris Godunov · October 9, 2002, 13:00

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Originally posted by Fez
Did you know the name Nader rhymes with traitor?

No, it doesn't.

Nay-DER

Tray-TOR

This says more to your English aptitude than anything else.

Giancarlo · October 9, 2002, 13:09

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Originally posted by Boris Godunov

No, it doesn't.

The hell it does.

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Nay-DER

Tray-TOR

This says more to your English aptitude than anything else.

I said rhyme not match.

Says so much about your intelligence.

monolith94 · October 9, 2002, 14:04

Wall street trader rhymes with traitor too. I think this is a much more apt observation…

Boris Godunov · October 9, 2002, 14:09

Fez, you don't know what rhyme means then. That is not a rhyme. For words to rhyme, they must have a correspondence of terminal sounds, such as forLORN and outWORN.

DER and TOR do not correspond, so they do not rhyme.

So my point stands.

If it makes you feel any better, monolith made the same mistake, since trader and traitor aren't rhymes, either.

Giancarlo · October 9, 2002, 14:15

In this case "TOR" actually sounds like "TER", depending on the way you speak. I don't know how you speak in new york and I don't care. But I say "TOR" as if it were "TER". Your points never stand.

Boris Godunov · October 9, 2002, 14:17

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Originally posted by Fez
In this case "TOR" actually sounds like "TER", depending on the way you speak. I don't know how you speak in new york and I don't care. But I say "TOR" as if it were "TER". Your points never stand.

Except that TOR is the correct pronunciation, TER is not. The rules of rhyming do not change based on your own misuse of the English language. Ergo you are incorrect. Again. As always.

Giancarlo · October 9, 2002, 14:20

Nope... according to you it is the correct pronunciation... people say it differently. Ergo you are ****ing wrong. As ****ing always. Again.

Arrian · October 9, 2002, 14:23

Gentlemen, this thread has been Fezzed. Boris, you cannot win, despite being correct.

-Arrian

Giancarlo · October 9, 2002, 14:25

Fine, I concede defeat. Happy? I no longer care. Post what you wish.

General Ludd · October 9, 2002, 14:31

Actually, I'd have to say that Nayder and Traitor do rhyme - not perfectly, but close enough.

monolith94 · October 9, 2002, 14:35

"If it makes you feel any better, monolith made the same mistake, since trader and traitor aren't rhymes, either."
Depends on the accent, really. If I'm in a situation in which people pronounce traitor like trayter I'm gonna call traitor and trader a rhyme.

really, who goes around saying the word "traitohr", honestly! they sound similar enough to work and that's the point. You're being really pedantic about this, BG, which isn't to say that Fez isn't wrong as well…

Boris Godunov · October 9, 2002, 14:35

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Originally posted by Fez
Nope... according to you it is the correct pronunciation...

When did I ever say that? According to me, it is TOR. Never said it was TER. Now you're hallucinating.

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people say it differently.

People with bad English mispronounce it. They are at fault.

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Ergo you are ****ing wrong. As ****ing always. Again.

A prime example of your debating skills.

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Fine, I concede defeat. Happy? I no longer care. Post what you wish.

Will wonders never cease?

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Actually, I'd have to say that Nayder and Traitor do rhyme - not perfectly, but close enough.

If they don't rhyme "perfectly" in terms of terminal syllables, they aren't rhymes. That's the rule.

Otherwise you could say that Moth and Month rhyme, and they certainly do not.

Boris Godunov · October 9, 2002, 14:40

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Originally posted by monolith94
You're being really pedantic about this, BG, which isn't to say that Fez isn't wrong as well…

Now you've got it. And I'll give ya 3 guesses as to why...

monolith94 · October 9, 2002, 14:40

I hate perfect rhyming, perfect metering, "perfect form" poetry bastards…
Not implying that you are, Gudolove, but I've seen to many good poems that have broken rule after rule and crappy ones that follow the definitions of what they are supposed to be. Interestingly enough, the same goes for detective mysteries as well…

orange · October 9, 2002, 14:47

make it stop :cries:

Btw: "The hell it does!" means "It doesn't" fez...so you really made me laugh on that one.

Sprayber - I defended myself. I posted essentially what Che did about my thoughts on Nader, but went into more detail.

Boris Godunov · October 9, 2002, 14:52

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Originally posted by monolith94
I hate perfect rhyming, perfect metering, "perfect form" poetry bastards…
Not implying that you are, Gudolove, but I've seen to many good poems that have broken rule after rule and crappy ones that follow the definitions of what they are supposed to be. Interestingly enough, the same goes for detective mysteries as well…

This had nothing to do with poetry. Just the technical definition of rhyming.

I don't think anyone here would assert there should be a strictly technical rhyme scheme in poetry.

Imran Siddiqui · October 9, 2002, 15:19

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"The incorruptible Ralph Nader"

He's just as bad as Bush and Gore in terms of corruptness. He just represents a different POV.

As for splitting off Progressives and Reactionaries and having a Centrist party!

It'd be like the PRI in Mexico! The Centrists would be in charge (by a lot) for like 100 years!

orange · October 9, 2002, 15:22

uh, much less corrupted than Gore and Bush, I'd say, Imran...

he's a politician, so of course he is a little...but for a politician i'd say he's damn uncorrupted.

Arrian · October 9, 2002, 15:29

Hmm, Imran has a point about the Centrists having control almost all the time. That's a problem. A 1 party system is worse than a 2 party system.

-Arrian

Imran Siddiqui · October 9, 2002, 20:39

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uh, much less corrupted than Gore and Bush, I'd say, Imran...

I don't know about that. He SEEMS that way because he has no power. But power corrupts. This is why the nominees for the two major parties are so corrupt. Give Nader some power, and he'd be just as bad.