Newbie questions: surrender, elite units

Dis · October 9, 2002, 22:20

OK I had this elite unit, next thing I know it gets an asterick by it * and asks me to name it. What is that? It's not a leader, I don't know what it is, and what advantage it has.

Next one, it seems enemy civs never surrender anymore. Unless they never did in the first place. I just started playing again after 10 months, and I could have sword they surrendere to me. Or am i thinking of SMAC?

and finally can galleys travel next to the ice packs around the poles? It seems they are lost in treacherous waters. meeting other civs is a pain if you are isolated. Although I was only isolated because I annhilated everyone else :

. They wouldn't surrender to me.

asleepathewheel · October 9, 2002, 22:26

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Originally posted by Dissident
OK I had this elite unit, next thing I know it gets an asterick by it * and asks me to name it. What is that? It's not a leader, I don't know what it is, and what advantage it has.

Dissident:
you have been blessed with a great leader. That elite unit that you named can not produce another leader until it is upgraded. Ex. I get a GL with horseman, it won't be able to produce another until upgraded to knight. Kind of a nice touch, naming your most sucessful units. It has no advantage over the usual elite unit of the type.

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Originally posted by Dissident
Next one, it seems enemy civs never surrender anymore. Unless they never did in the first place. I just started playing again after 10 months, and I could have sword they surrendere to me. Or am i thinking of SMAC?

I think you are mistaken. They might give you individual cities if you demand them, but won't fold completely.

ThaddeusAlexander · October 9, 2002, 23:01

naming units? I've gotten great leaders before but I've never seen this before .... is it a Mac thing?

Cheers
~Thadalex

Ethelred · October 9, 2002, 23:02

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Originally posted by Dissident

Next one, it seems enemy civs never surrender anymore. Unless they never did in the first place. I just started playing again after 10 months, and I could have sword they surrendere to me. Or am i thinking of SMAC?

Civs don't surrender in Civ III.

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and finally can galleys travel next to the ice packs around the poles? It seems they are lost in treacherous waters. meeting other civs is a pain if you are isolated. Although I was only isolated because I annhilated everyone else :

. They wouldn't surrender to me.

If they surrendered they would have lost the game anyway.

Galleys can go anywhere including next to the ice pack BUT not till you have the right tech. Till then your galleys can only finish a turn in coastal waters without risking sinking. If you get the Great Lighthouse then your galleys can finish a turn at sea but not on the ocean. So most of the game a galley is likely to sink if you should try to reach the ice pack.

asleepathewheel · October 9, 2002, 23:03

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Originally posted by ThaddeusAlexander
naming units? I've gotten great leaders before but I've never seen this before .... is it a Mac thing?

Cheers
~Thadalex

No, you get it on thepc version

make sure you're using 1.29

and make sure you don't accidentally skip the screen, I have before. If you do, there will be an asterix next to the name of the unit. Only right after GL creation.

Carver · October 9, 2002, 23:04

With v1.29 you get to name units that produce GLs. I guess there is no v1.29 for Mac users.

edit: see above

Ethelred · October 9, 2002, 23:05

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Originally posted by ThaddeusAlexander
naming units? I've gotten great leaders before but I've never seen this before .... is it a Mac thing?

Cheers
~Thadalex

Shame on you. You haven't patched the game to 1.29f. Go download the patch and install it. NOW. Then you will be able to rename the unit that produced a Great Leader.

Link to patch

http://www.civ3.com/patches.cfm

Go and sin no more you unpatched heathen.

ThaddeusAlexander · October 9, 2002, 23:06

i seee ... hmmmm

i guess i better pull out a militaristic civ and play a warmonger game just for fun to try this out

sounds like something kewl ... and I have 1.29.

Maybe since 1.29 I've never actually been enough of a conqueror

Cheers
~Thadalex

asleepathewheel · October 9, 2002, 23:12

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Originally posted by ThaddeusAlexander
i seee ... hmmmm

i guess i better pull out a militaristic civ and play a warmonger game just for fun to try this out

sounds like something kewl ... and I have 1.29.

Maybe since 1.29 I've never actually been enough of a conqueror

Cheers
~Thadalex

Time to go huntin Thaddeus, time to go huntin.

Jaybe · October 9, 2002, 23:20

The named unit is an honor to the GL creation, and the asterisk (*) indicates that it cannot create another GL. After you upgrade, the unit name loses the asterisk so you know it is eligible to create a GL again.

ThaddeusAlexander · October 9, 2002, 23:21

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Originally posted by asleepathewheel
Time to go huntin Thaddeus, time to go huntin.

Indeed... Its been a long time since I've played China so I think I'll do that. Or maybe Japan. Hmmmm..... Its so hard to decide between Industrious and Religious (but now I'm getting off topic and wasting time ... to the game! En Garde!)

Cheers
~Thadalex

vmxa1 · October 10, 2002, 02:06

And Yes the 129f is not available for Mac at this time.

ThaddeusAlexander · October 10, 2002, 13:18

Woo Hoo just got to name my first unit

(can you tell I'm usually a peaceful player?)

The "Shanghai Avengers" (since they were used to recapture that lost city).

Cheers
~Thadalex

PS I think when I said "Is it a Mac thing" I was wondering if naming units was a Mac thing, not my inability to name them. I have a PC, not a Mac.

Jaybe · October 10, 2002, 13:59

Thad,
FYI, none of the Mac versions have had any "improvements" over the PC version, other than being able to accommodate larger monitor resolutions.

ThaddeusAlexander · October 10, 2002, 14:15

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Originally posted by Jaybe
Thad,
FYI, none of the Mac versions have had any "improvements" over the PC version, other than being able to accommodate larger monitor resolutions.

Good to know i guess

Thanx

Although I'm not big on Macs myself...

Cheers
~Thadalex

Dis · October 10, 2002, 14:49

one more question. I heard people talking about ai vassal states? What is that?

I thought there was a condition where they were down to 1 or 2 cities and they would "surrender" not the actual word they use, but they would become permanantly allied with you and supply you with techs? That cannot happen?

ThaddeusAlexander · October 10, 2002, 15:45

I've never heard of that, dissident. I think you can make a small rival civ a VIRTUAL vassal state ... but there's no treaty or diplomatic action built in to the game for that.

Unfortunately.

Cheers
~Thadalex

Edit: PS
Vassal
1 : a person under the protection of a feudal lord to whom he has vowed homage and fealty : a feudal tenant
2 : one in a subservient or subordinate position

TheStinger · October 11, 2002, 08:04

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Originally posted by Dissident
one more question. I heard people talking about ai vassal states? What is that?

I thought there was a condition where they were down to 1 or 2 cities and they would "surrender" not the actual word they use, but they would become permanantly allied with you and supply you with techs? That cannot happen?

are you making these questions up

ThaddeusAlexander · October 11, 2002, 13:40

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Originally posted by TheStinger
are you making these questions up

Hey it does say Newbie questions

Cheers
~Thadalex

Theseus · October 11, 2002, 13:48

Not made up... lesser AI civs are referred to with a number of labels, depending on the relationships being described. Examples include: vassals, punching bag, and bee-yatch.

Take a look at this thread:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=47115

alva · October 11, 2002, 13:52

BTW:
in PTW you will be able to name any of your units any time

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