2194 Days Gigamap Playtest

[Darius871]

Yes, absolutely, it's just banned to make invincible stacks. This is different from regular 2194.

[Pavlov]

Originally posted by academia
During an incursion of a B-17 bomber in north africa

Uh-oh. That can't be good.

[academia]

Yes, absolutely, it's just banned to make invincible stacks. This is different from regular 2194.

Ok. I´ll play my turn then.
So, can I embark some AA in my transports?

[Darius871]

Yep. Although btw you can do that in regular 2194; when they have a movement of 0 you can still move them in ships.

[academia]

News...

PACIFIC OCEAN
2 jap vessels sank (transport and submarine)

NORTH AFRICA
American expeditionary force finally reaches Morocco´s coasts. Casablanca, Gibraltar and Algiers bombed and emptied.

[academia]

SURRENDER NAZI SCUM!!!!!!

[MeckPomm]

put some units to Bergen...

[Darius871]

[Pap1723]

Nothing much happening in Japan this month, troops are ecstacic about the impending fall of the Soviet invaders.

Pap

[Pap1723]

OVERVIEW OF THE LAST TURN

Cities Taken:

AXIS
Archangelsk
Voronez
Saratov (destroyed)
Sevastopol
Bushire

CHINA
Dhaka

[Pap1723]

Pacific

[Pap1723]

Europe

[Pap1723]

Tanelorn, you have some great ideas!

Some of them I think can be implemented for sure for the next version, but that just means one more playtest version!

No problem here with that.
I like your ideas about the pollution idea as the glaciers, but I have to admit I am kind of hazy about what you were talking about in regards to Russian winters. I've been trying to come up with a way to simulate them like Nemo did in Red Front, and your idea seems to lend to that, but I am just unsure on how you said to implement it.

If you could try to explain it to me again, or someone else who may have understood it...it would be greatly appreciated.

Pap

[Pap1723]

Oh, and I now have a new website.
Stian over at www.historic-battles.com was kind enough to give me dedicated space on his server so I was able to move my site to Historic Battles. He also gave me a forum to use there, just dedicated to the scenario!

Thanks to Stian for that and head on over to the website at:

http://www.historic-battles.com/2194Days/

Or post something at the forum so it isn't so empty!

http://www.historic-battles.com/yabb...x.php?board=75

Pap

[Pavlov]

*On the eastern front Orenburg and Ufa were burned to the ground. AG South captured Rostov. Otherwise German troops in Russia received a well-earned month of vacation.

*Afrika Korps move on. This month Kuwait fell and trucks are already rushing to pick up fuel there.

*Despite the friendly advice from president Roosevelt we decided not to surrender. The crew of one Junkers 88 heading for Italy turned west and found what appeared to be a battleship and other unidentified units. The crew decided to sink the American taskforce, even if it meant the death of them. They crashed their plane into the deck of an American carrier, causing a large explosion that not only sunk the carrier but also a battleship and two unknown units. The destroyer Theodor Riedel managed to sink a badly damaged battleship that had been sent in without support.

To honour these brave acts the crew of the bomber and of the destroyer have all been awarded the Iron cross.

[academia]

The destroyer Theodor Riedel managed to sink a badly damaged battleship that had been sent in without support.

How the hell did you do to sink a veteran battleship with a destroyer????????
Yes, it was damaged (46 hit points) but it´s a veteran battleship with 20 defense!!!! against a destroyer with 9 attack!!!!!! (doesn´t matter if it is a veteran)
And I even played one turn forward and I saw the "Theodor Riedel" destroyer almost intact!!!!
I don´t get it. If you used a bomber and then the destroyer, i understand; but otherwise... i simply don´t get it. I made some tests...

[academia]

The crew of one Junkers 88 heading for Italy turned west and found what appeared to be a battleship and other unidentified units.

I find that weird too... I had to use 2 B-25 bombers to sank a japanese battleship. Yes, i know that the B-25 have 32 attack and the Ju-88 has 40...
Anyway, i had to use 2 of them; and the second was heavily damaged.
Ok, it might have been luck... but i also find it weird.

Please, i´m not accusing of doing something illegal Pavlov. It just draw my attention.
It´s just i played some turns in singleplayer and i find these actions too weird.

[Darius871]

Academia, the Ju-88 thing makes sense because the carrier defends instead of the battleship. Even though the battleship would defend better because it has a value of 25, the same hitpoints as the carrier, and 7 times the firepower of the carrier, the AEGIS flag on the carrier for some reason makes it defend first. Since it only has a firepower of 1, a Ju-88 will make quick work of it.

For the destroyer thing I know that a 46 hit points veteran would be a very tough nut, and not even a veteran destroyer could beat it, that's a fact. But I don't know what's going on over there so maybe he kamied a few units into it first and the destroyer thing was just propaganda, who knows.

[tanelorn]

Originally posted by Pap1723
I like your ideas about the pollution idea as the glaciers, but I have to admit I am kind of hazy about what you were talking about in regards to Russian wintersPap

Here is an example instead. Use these altered files on a backup copy of the scenario. The .sav changes the russian steppes to desert (renamed wasteland), all other desert is covered with polution (rather tedius to do, but I type fast). Wherever a river goes though desert, the terrain is changed to plains, for the river to show. I modified the oilfield background too.
When using W(inter)Terain1 as Terrain1, the russian steppe shows snow covered. Applying WRules as Rules increases movement cost, decreases food and cuts the defence of units caught in the freezing cold by half. When applying S(ummer)Terrain1 and SRules, desert shows/acts as normal plains.
The temperature indication rises but there is not global warming.

However, after doing all that I realised that this would hamper movement in real desert too, which is good -during the winter!This is the exact opposite of what should be happpening.

So, I thought of a way to get around this. Select a terrain that is not as critical to the strategy, like ricefields. Make ricefields grasssland or jungle. Turn it to northern plains terrain (good during summer, bad movement/production/defence during winter) and do the opposite to deserts (bad during summer, good during winter). Use pollution for glaciers instead.

I have to go back to work, I'll see if it works later.

[Choke]

Advances Made On All Fronts
Chinese forces have liberated Dhaka and Alma Ata. It is expected that next month Tashkent, Ulan Bator and Cita will be liberated.

Republican Air Force Scores Multiple Victories
Russian forces have come to dread the sound of planes, for they have none and China has many. Several Russian and British divisions were completely annihilated this month by the RCA.

and the turn:

[academia]

Academia, the Ju-88 thing makes sense because the carrier defends instead of the battleship. Even though the battleship would defend better because it has a value of 25, the same hitpoints as the carrier, and 7 times the firepower of the carrier, the AEGIS flag on the carrier for some reason makes it defend first. Since it only has a firepower of 1, a Ju-88 will make quick work of it.

Yes, that should be possible, i know it.

For the destroyer thing I know that a 46 hit points veteran would be a very tough nut, and not even a veteran destroyer could beat it, that's a fact. But I don't know what's going on over there so maybe he kamied a few units into it first and the destroyer thing was just propaganda, who knows.

Well, what he described in his post... that´s impossible!!! sorry, but a destroyer can´t sink a veteran battleship.
Yes, maybe he sent a few units first... but he should have told that in his post
Sorry, but i need a more "believeable" answer here.

[Darius871]

I know, it is impossible, so I'm just mentioning that maybe there was stuff he didn't mention, you never know. Btw are you on ICQ right now?

[academia]

No, but if you want to talk, í´ll sign in

[Pavlov]

Originally posted by academia


How the hell did you do to sink a veteran battleship with a destroyer????????
Yes, it was damaged (46 hit points) but it´s a veteran battleship with 20 defense!!!! against a destroyer with 9 attack!!!!!! (doesn´t matter if it is a veteran)
And I even played one turn forward and I saw the "Theodor Riedel" destroyer almost intact!!!!
I don´t get it. If you used a bomber and then the destroyer, i understand; but otherwise... i simply don´t get it. I made some tests...

Blame my creative writing, couldn't be arsed to add that I crashed a He-111 and two Stukas (all vets) into that battleship first. The destroyer gave the coup de grace. I didn't feel like writing about kamikaze's that day so I gave Theo all the credit. Call it propaganda if you want to.

Also Darius is completely right about the other battleship. It looked like a stack with a battleship on top, so I kamikazed my Ju 88 into it hoping to cripple the battleship. It turned out to be a carrier underneath and the rest is understandable. (And if you're wondering why these bombers were buzzing about it's because MeckPomm's attack made me suspicious)

You're perfectly right to be suspicious, my post was lacking in information.

Edit: Darius was completely right, no one else.

[Choke]

bump

[Pavlov]

academia?

[academia]

Blame my creative writing, couldn't be arsed to add that I crashed a He-111 and two Stukas (all vets) into that battleship first. The destroyer gave the coup de grace. I didn't feel like writing about kamikaze's that day so I gave Theo all the credit. Call it propaganda if you want to

Ok. That´s a good explanation

[academia]

Sorry guys, but it seems that Pavlov actually did something wrong.
Everybody noticed my posts refering to the last german attack.
First, it draw my attention that a single Ju-88 destroyed a battleship.
As i said before: I had to use 2 B-25 bombers to sank a japanese battleship. Yes, i know that the B-25 have 32 attack and the Ju-88 has 40...
Anyway, i had to use 2 of them; and the second was heavily damaged.

So, after Pavlov´s new explanation:

I crashed a He-111 and two Stukas (all vets) into that battleship first. The destroyer gave the coup de grace.

Well, that´s better. Nice explanation.
However, i find it "double weird" in some way

On the one hand, one Ju-88 was enough to destroy a Battleship (hit points=0 NO DAMAGE).
But on the other hand he had to used 3 vet bombers + 1 destroyer to sink a vet damaged Battleship (hit points=46) mmm....
I INVITE YOU TO MAKE YOUR OWN TESTS!!!! Play it as singleplayer, use the cheat mode and test it. I made some tests, and it requires only 1, maybe 2.

All in all, Darius talked with Case and then send me a PM and a proof.

Please, take a look

[academia]

That´s the casualty list. The reports for the He-111 and the Stuka were identical before and after his turn.
Where are the 2 Ju-87 and the He-111 used to sank my battleship?

Pavlov, i hope you can explain it. PLEASE!!!

Personally, this the first time i have to deal with this problem. So, i don´t know what to do.
Darius is banned, so he asked me to post it.

What do you think guys?

[Choke]

I think you should stop whining, I don't believe Pavlov would cheat and I don't understand or care about casualty reports.