PBEM, Anyone? - Page 7

WarpStorm · October 24, 2002, 11:01

I was thinking a PBEM Demcracy game would be interesting where there were factions of human players. Sure, it'd take forever....

Adagio · October 24, 2002, 11:15

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Originally posted by WarpStorm
I was thinking a PBEM Demcracy game would be interesting where there were factions of human players. Sure, it'd take forever....

I believe there was some talking about this some time ago. Were some wanted to have a huge Demo game, were Apolyton is one Civ, and Civfanatics is another Civ...

Though I'd prefer to have small groups of about 5 persons each...

WarpStorm · October 24, 2002, 11:17

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Originally posted by ADG
Though I'd prefer to have small groups of about 5 persons each...

That's be my preference too. I'd rather have 8 civs with 5 players running each than 2 civs with 20.

alva · October 24, 2002, 11:39

Why not make it a national contest?? Would love to be in that one

Or europe versus the U.S. versus Asia, versus ..., you get the point

alva · October 24, 2002, 11:40

Hey Warpstorm, why not open a new thread for this one???
I know a couple of pretty good belgian players

Lung · October 25, 2002, 00:30

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Originally posted by FrustratedPoet
We should be careful to only restart when we absolutely HAVE to ... otherwise the game will never get started, let alone finished.

Restarting is a bad idea. Your best bet is to select starting conditions based on what you know works best. On the ideal settings, most players will get good starting locations. If you make it unnecessarily unfriendly, everyone will be claiming that they had a bad start.

I should know, some idiot (i.e. BirdMan [BirdBrain/VultureBreath]) created a world in Call To Power PBEM that had me in tundra on an island upon which i was destined to not advance beyond the stone age! Stupid BirdBrain!!!

Alternatively, starting two identical games with the players swapped ensures 100% fairness. It has been done in CtP with no complaints :

alva · October 28, 2002, 11:57

Hey, this was allready on page two

Btw: where is everybody from/residing??
This is somewhat important regarding the different release scedules. Why can't they do simultanious releases

Buster13 · October 28, 2002, 15:55

Hi all,

Been a couple of days since I posted...I feel out of touch.

I agree, first turn veto is fine.

Also, I'm in Cleveland, Ohio USA. Eastern time zone.

Oh, and BTW Alva, I'm changing my Civ of choice vote to random. I wanna be like everyone else.

alva · October 29, 2002, 08:33

re: civ choice,

maybe we should all do a random on one of the new civ. Seems logical to do so. I now I would prefer one of the new ones. Allthough I still don't know theire excact traits, UU,.....

Adagio · October 29, 2002, 08:48

Well...I don't think there's an option, that says "random, but only new Civs"...so the only way we could choose random (and only get new Civs), is by making a little random No generator, and says No 1 is Spain, No 2 is Korea, etc...but the thing is, this random generator can only be used by one certain computer (Since it of course generates random numbers on the different computers...)

Or did I miss information, that this function actually is in game?

And btw, I don't care wheter I'll be playing as one of the new Civs or not...I just hope I don't end up playing as England or Celts...

alva · October 29, 2002, 19:06

What's wrong with one of us throwing a dice???

1= celts
2=spain and so on????
old fashioned but effective

, and yes, I will trust you

Buster13 · October 30, 2002, 09:23

Do you have a 24 sided die? I suppose two twelves from D&D, one just to designate high and low.

But then we'd have to post a list of civs, right?

Like...d12 result (1-6) and the score of the second die

1- The Americans
2- Arabia
3- The Aztec
4- Babylon
5- The Carthaginians
6- Celts
7- China
8- Egypt
9- England
10- France
11- Germany
12- Greece

d12 result (7-12) and the score of the second die

(13) 1- India
(14) 2- The Iriqious
(15) 3- Japan
(16) 4- Korea
(17) 5- Mongolia
(18) 6- Ottomans
(19) 7- Persia
(20) 8- Rome
(21) 9- Russia
(22) 10- Scandanavia
(23) 11- Spain
(24) 12 - Shaka of the Zulu (my favorite leader)

For just new Civs you'd need an eight sided...

Ok, ok...I did play D&D when I was younger...I admit it!!!! I'm a D&D nerd!!!! Arghhhhhh.......

alva · October 30, 2002, 09:37

euh Buster, their are only 8 new civs

so using two 6 sided dices are more then sufficient.

2=not
3=not
4 to 10= new civ
11=not
12=not

Adagio · October 30, 2002, 09:45

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Originally posted by alva848
euh Buster, their are only 8 new civs

I actually have an 8 sided dice

Buster13 · October 30, 2002, 10:45

alva, two six sideds rolled together create a bell curve.

Thus the civ at number 7 wouldn't have a higher probability of being selected than one at 4 or 10. Thus it wouldn't be...technically...a fair representation of a random system.

Check this out:

D 1 2 3 4 5 6

1 2 3 4 5 6 7

2 3 4 5 6 7 8

3 4 5 6 7 8 9

4 5 6 7 8 9 10

5 6 7 8 9 10 11

6 7 8 9 10 11 12

If 2,3,11, and 12 are merely discounted...

Reroll - 6 occurances
4 - 3 times
5 - 4 times
6 - 5 times
7 - 6 times
8 - 5 times
9 - 4 times
10 - 3 times

So the probability of the 7 civ getting selected, including the rerolls is .29 or nearly a third of the time.

alva · October 30, 2002, 11:01

yeah, I know, but
does it matter ??

edit :vb code

Buster13 · October 30, 2002, 11:09

Not really, but it would be nice to have an equal chance to get each civ...just to be fair about it.

We're smart enough to do it right, let's do it right, ya know?

Just my opinion is all...

Buster13 · October 31, 2002, 10:57

By the way, gents,

I have the game now, so I'm ready whenever you guys are

alva · October 31, 2002, 11:03

about 3 weeks from now

it seems

i'm looking into a temp solution, so fingers crossed, and shhhh

Adagio · October 31, 2002, 13:36

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Originally posted by Buster13
By the way, gents,

I have the game now, so I'm ready whenever you guys are

Give it to me...NOW

I just asked out local computer store, on when they got the game...they didn't know about the game...they couldn't find it on their computer, and they didn't even know what it is...

FrustratedPoet · October 31, 2002, 13:54

I won't be getting the game for 3 weeks either.

Buster13 · October 31, 2002, 14:32

Are you threatening me?

It's gotta suck watching everyone else talk about thier experiences with PTW and you still can't go out and buy it, I know...

If it'll make you feel any better, I still think there's some crash bugs that have to get worked out, even with 1.04.

quinns · October 31, 2002, 15:51

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Originally posted by Lung

Restarting is a bad idea. Your best bet is to select starting conditions based on what you know works best. On the ideal settings, most players will get good starting locations. If you make it unnecessarily unfriendly, everyone will be claiming that they had a bad start.

I should know, some idiot (i.e. BirdMan [BirdBrain/VultureBreath]) created a world in Call To Power PBEM that had me in tundra on an island upon which i was destined to not advance beyond the stone age! Stupid BirdBrain!!!

Alternatively, starting two identical games with the players swapped ensures 100% fairness. It has been done in CtP with no complaints :

LUNG! You are up to no good again!!

But in CivIII now...

I agrrrrreee with your idea.

I got to find 80 usd somewheres.

alva · October 31, 2002, 16:50

What are you on about??

quinns · October 31, 2002, 18:33

Lung and I know each other from Call to Power PBEM. He is a trouble maker in that forum!

(He is a good mate, really, but don't let him know that!). Anyway I was commenting on the format of randomly starting a two player PBEM match, then swapping sides so that both players play on the same exact terrain against each other. So one match consists of two games. That idea was what I agreed with. It is very fair.

And $80 to buy CivIII plus Civ PTW. I have to find that kind of money!

Keygen · November 1, 2002, 22:47

Are you going to join Civ3 PBEM too Quinns?

quinns · November 2, 2002, 13:37

Hi Keygen! Maybe I will join Civ3 PBEM if I can scrounge up some cash

. Does PTW PBEM work? I read a lot of bad stuff about it so far.

Keygen · November 2, 2002, 13:56

Is any offer with both games in one package with lower price?

What I've heared so far is that the online multiplayer has some problems mostly caused by the gamespy network. I haven't heard anything about PBEM yet but I am not sure that people have already test it so who knows

alva · November 2, 2002, 16:27

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Is any offer with both games in one package with lower price?

Not yet, there is however the 'game of the year edition'
Civ3--->fully patched and a few other bonusses.
IMO both civ3 and PTW will be sold as package soon

FrustratedPoet · November 5, 2002, 21:04

It seems certain now that PTW will be released in the UK on 22nd November.
I plan to get it on the day of release, so would be available to start from then.
If anything changes I'll post here to let you know.

alva: do you know when you can get the game yet? when's it out in Belgium?