Discussion on the index

H Tower · October 13, 2002, 19:18

I've been working on the Index of our great nation the last couple of days, and its gotten quite large.

Since it makes it much easier on me if no discussion takes place within the Index itself, we need a thread to discuss the contents of the Index, the Index itself and what should else should be added.

Navigating the Index
-Is the Index easy to browse?

Contents of the Index
-Did I get all the guidelines right?
-I discovered that in the info compiled by MWIA that I used to add the guidelines that term limits were 4 terms, I thought it was only 3

-A glaring hole in the guidelines IMO, is the rules on impeachment.
Last time we had to do it, we had the VP post the poll
No time limit was set on the poll, I think he forgot
I think we decided on impeachment needing 2/3 of the vote to succeed, but I can't be sure.

additions
we've already got the history, the cabinet holders by month, the guidelines and members in the index, is there anything else we should/could add?

The Apolytonia of old had a flag, do we wish to adopt it as our own in this new nation, should we select a new one, or do we even need/want a flag?

previous discussion of the guidelines took place in this thread: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...0&pagenumber=1 you can also find teh old apolytonian flag at the bottom of the first post.

Hydey · October 13, 2002, 20:14

You have done wonderfully well.

mrboo123 · October 13, 2002, 23:14

Yes, I congrate you for some wonderful effort.

CannonFodder · October 14, 2002, 01:11

Hmm...I was going to do that...good job nonetheless.

Well, I would like to point out that some of the rules have been changed via de facto policies. The original guidelines have not entirely been held to, but this isn't really a problem: they weren't designed to be a constitution.

Some input from people who have long been in the game might shed some light on changes that have occurred.

H Tower · October 14, 2002, 09:25

MWIA had been updating those rules up until the start of our second game I thought.

What's changed?

JCP · October 14, 2002, 11:58

A very usefull work !

H Tower · October 14, 2002, 12:02

while praise is great, i'd appreciate suggestions and discussion on what's not right so i can fix it

CannonFodder · October 15, 2002, 00:45

For instance, though this is just an example, naming of cities is generally allowed to be done by the president, but sometimes citizens want to choose the name. This is an instance of de facto change.

Another example is the long-standing debate over Imperial Expansion and City Planning. Some people seem to be confused as to who does what. At the same time, the Imperial expansion minister tends to just choose new city locations, while the city planner does both build queues and cultivation of terrain.

Besides that, there have been lots of polls which have clarified or changed cabinet duties which have not always been adhered to, or which have been adhered to once and then forgotten.

Of course, any of this could in itself be wrong, but this is from my experience what has gone on. It is sort of like Britain, rather than the United States: we use rules based on what is precedent, rather than what is written.

cavebear · October 15, 2002, 01:50

I don't think the Minister of Imperial Expansion is in charge of terrain-development. At least not around existing cities.

CannonFodder · October 15, 2002, 12:30

According to the original rules (to my knowledge) he was supposed to be. However, as a matter of reality, he is not. But it is written in the index, and in MWIA's compilation, whether it is practised or not.

atawa · October 15, 2002, 14:09

Good job

If you get to Galway in the next 3 days I'll buy you a pint

JCP · October 15, 2002, 14:32

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Originally posted by atawa
If you get to Galway in the next 3 days I'll buy you a pint

Or a Guiness on Inishmór ?[IMG]C:\Mes documents\beer.bmp[/IMG]

H Tower · October 16, 2002, 02:04

Expansion minister is being changed as i type, i'm removing the terrain cultivation and adding exploration, which is shared with the minister of war.

Anyone got comments on Impeachment?

Term Limits: 3 or 4?

mrboo123 · October 16, 2002, 08:07

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Originally posted by H Tower
Expansion minister is being changed as i type, i'm removing the terrain cultivation and adding exploration, which is shared with the minister of war.

Anyone got comments on Impeachment?

Term Limits: 3 or 4?

4, I have a question, dose that inculde the last Game? Because I was the last VP of the game.

atawa · October 20, 2002, 18:12

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Originally posted by JCP

Or a Guiness on Inishmór ?[IMG]C:\Mes documents\beer.bmp[/IMG]

I was there on thursday, mountenbiked around the island, got some pretty impressive ruins there

About the expansion minister in the index, IMHO it should be the job of the combined defence and foreign minister.

another thing,add infrastructure to the responcebility's of the EM.
Things like strategic placements of harbours and building a connecting roadsystem so we can send anything anywhere in 1 turn after RR.

CannonFodder · October 23, 2002, 02:56

Remember, it is difficult for people to do these jobs, particularly later in a game. Combining them is not always the best option.

I do believe that it might be a good idea to combine the ministry of War and Foreign Affairs into a new ministry, but I believe for the time being the IE minister and City Planner's jobs should remain what they are.

mrboo123 · October 23, 2002, 09:01

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Originally posted by CannonFodder
Remember, it is difficult for people to do these jobs, particularly later in a game. Combining them is not always the best option.

I do believe that it might be a good idea to combine the ministry of War and Foreign Affairs into a new ministry, but I believe for the time being the IE minister and City Planner's jobs should remain what they are.

ARE YOU TRYING TO SREW ME OUT-OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS!!!

shade · October 23, 2002, 09:27

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Originally posted by 123john321

ARE YOU TRYING TO SCREW ME OUT-OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS!!!

or me

--> btw good work H Tower

I think foreign and war should stay appart...yes the jobs have some overlap but war ministry sometimes has overlap with science or cityplanning(cfr gunpowder issue)...but these are only requests one minister can make to an other.

Shade

atawa · October 23, 2002, 12:56

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About the expansion minister in the index, IMHO it should be the job of the combined defence and foreign minister.

What I was trying to say is that imo exploration should be the responsibility of the Foreign and Defence ministers.

CannonFodder · October 28, 2002, 05:57

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Originally posted by 123john321

ARE YOU TRYING TO SREW ME OUT-OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS!!!

You can always run for Minister of Garbage Disposal...

H Tower · November 4, 2002, 22:25

added the new members to the members list and also added the cabinet from the 1st demo game to the government list. coming shortly the history from the first game

shade · November 5, 2002, 06:25

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Originally posted by H Tower
coming shortly the history from the first game

an entire history

?
*crosses fingers*

Shade

-Jrabbit · November 5, 2002, 09:16

Quote:

Originally posted by H Tower
coming shortly the history from the first game

H Tower · November 5, 2002, 13:22

you didn't think i'd forget about your writings did you -JRabbit?

H Tower · November 6, 2002, 20:23

The entire history of the first game has no been added. i guess my next project will be writing up how we went about solving the election mess we're in right now

H Tower · December 1, 2002, 01:14

alright, lets see, i haven't updated the index recently, i need to add the new cabinets, the histories and update the member list, and add the precedent of the election runoff. anything else?