Debate: Policy re: Morgan

GeneralTacticus · October 19, 2002, 18:41

At the end of today's turnchat, we encountered Morgan Industries and acquired Planetary Networks, Industrial Economics and Ethical Calculus in exchange for Doctrine: Mobility, Applied Physics and our world map, as well as signing a Treaty of Friendship.

Feel free to post your thoughts here on policy regarding Morgan.

Pandemoniak · October 19, 2002, 18:43

All His Bases Are Belong To The Proletariat.

DeathByTheSword · October 19, 2002, 18:43

infilitrate as soon as possible and keep at least two probe teams (some kind of new invention) at stand by to steal tech!

GeneralTacticus · October 19, 2002, 18:45

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All His Bases Are Belong To The Proletariat.

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infilitrate as soon as possible and keep at least two probe teams (some kind of new invention) at stand by to steal tech!

Infiltrate:

Not so sure about tech steal.

Frankychan · October 19, 2002, 19:33

Hmmm, maybe we should create a short term alliance with him....maybe make him our personal piggy bank and whatnot. At least we didn't encounter Psych Chaplain Miriam Godwinson.

GeneralTacticus · October 19, 2002, 19:43

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Hmmm, maybe we should create a short term alliance with him....maybe make him our personal piggy bank and whatnot. At least we didn't encounter Psych Chaplain Miriam Godwinson.

We don't know enough about him to decide on anything like that yet. Wait until we can infiltrate him, then decide.

Kassiopeia · October 19, 2002, 19:43

Or even worse, the Hive. I'm having perpetual nightmares of encountering in a few decades a monstrously huge Hive that started in the Monsoon Jungle and has covered two entire continents, with a cozy Pact with a large expanded Miriam, and the Gaians and the Uni and whatnot either reduced to rubble or subjugated.

GeneralTacticus · October 19, 2002, 19:52

Fortunately, it's highly unlikely that Miriam and Yang would ever see eye to eye.

Besides, if all else fails, repeal the Charter and break out the Planet Busters!

Method · October 19, 2002, 21:24

since we got planetary networks from him, i say we build a probe in mysidia, or in NS after the VW is finished...or lost to others

i do think we should get a pact with him for the time being, to get his tech, then if we switch SE to planned, he'll break it off, and we're left with his tech and his maps

Hercules · October 19, 2002, 23:03

agree with TKG

Archaic · October 19, 2002, 23:32

Agreed. Make the switch to FM for both the appeasment and the research/cash flow bonus, and try to secure a Pact with him. That'll only bring in even more research/cash flow from the increase in trade.

Of course, we need to infiltrate as well, no doubts there, but I wouldn't recommend any other probe actions unless there's no chance of his detecting us. If that can be achieved...then bribe away a few things from "Morgan military surplus" so we won't be forced to build those prototypes ourselves.

MrWhereItsAt · October 20, 2002, 00:48

I have started a poll on SE changes.

According to the state of our bases right now, changing to FM would instantly cause drone riots in a few bases, including both NA and New Suex, the SP cities. There's a little more on it in my poll thread, but I strongly advise against FM right away, until we can get some considerable number of happiness facilities online. Either that or disband all our exploring military units, as each one out of its city will cause +2 drones in its home.

Darkness' Edge · October 20, 2002, 01:08

Launch military action. Murder. Death. Kill.

(well, the DoPO needs something to actually do

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Mr. President · October 20, 2002, 02:02

Make nice with him and use his economy for our own benefit.

Archaic · October 20, 2002, 02:23

Disband? Pfffffft. And you call us Free Market supporters wasteful. How long would it take to pull them back?

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Originally posted by Pandemoniak
All His Bases Are Belong To The Proletariat.

Trust and listen not the supposed pacifist and "anti-torture activist" who preaches war, and commits atrocities on fellow citizens.

GeneralTacticus · October 20, 2002, 06:32

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Launch military action. Murder. Death. Kill.

(well, the DoPO needs something to actually do )

Nononono. You already get flame mindworms. I need something to do other than twiddle my thumbs and vote in polls.

moomin · October 20, 2002, 07:05

It's not like this is the Hive - we don't need to stamp him out like he was cancer. Would a pact-enabling FM in-turn be considered cheating?

GeneralTacticus · October 20, 2002, 07:15

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Anyhow, doesn't this give us an added incentive to expand east? We need to block the chockpoint with our own territory, or he'll sneak a pod right into our southern heartlands.

We only really need one or two more bases in the East, to solidify our our territory and stop him getting through - the value of the land ther eisn't that stellar anyway.

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It's not like this is the Hive - we don't need to stamp him out like he was cancer.

He'd be more useful as an intact submissive than an ally.

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Would a pact-enabling FM in-turn be considered cheating?

You mean only using FM while we were in contact to secure the Pact? Probably.

moomin · October 20, 2002, 07:19

Yeah, that's what I mean. I always thought of it as somewhat less than honest diplomacy

moomin · October 20, 2002, 07:22

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Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
He'd be more useful as an intact submissive than an ally.

Wouldn't eveyone?

Still, that's not an option for now - our forces are nothing to write home about and there is a lot of difficult and dangerous territory between us and him. For the time being, having him as an ally is quite acceptable.

If you think we should start to gear up for more ambitious projects, perhaps you ought to campaign for that?

DeathByTheSword · October 20, 2002, 07:23

i would like to see that our DPO starts asking for some military units from the DBP so that when the **** hits the fan we are ready you never know

GeneralTacticus · October 20, 2002, 07:25

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Still, that's not an option for now - our forces are nothing to write home about and there is a lot of difficult and dangerous territory between us and him. For the time being, having him as an ally is quite acceptable.

That's why I said LATER.

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i would like to see that our DPO starts asking for some military units from the DBP so that when the **** hits the fan we are ready you never know

Wait at least until Impact weapons. Then we can build a force that willa actually be useful.

moomin · October 20, 2002, 07:28

Yeah, from now on we should probably keep some troops at standby. Right now, though, I think we should concentrate eveything on getting the VW. It's not like Morgan is an immediate military threat - we are fortunate to have found him instead of some madman like Yang, Santiago or Miriam.

DeathByTheSword · October 20, 2002, 07:42

i check if we start building the VW in NA right now and use the AA we can get him in 17 turns that would mean rushing it in around 10 but NA will grow soon so we can have it within 10 turns is my belief IF we rush and use alien artifact

AdamTG02 · October 20, 2002, 11:35

I approve of TKG's plan. Pacting with Morgan would get our commerce off to a strong start, and ensure us an ally should we run afoul of Believers and/or Hive. My own preference is to try and make a Pact as soon as possible, and to replace our explorers with Probe Teams and transports. Once we have no combat units out of our territory, we can switch to FM. If Morgan won't Pact until then, fine, but if we initiate FM after the Pact, it will extend the alliance's lifespan.

Should we be in a position in the future to make Morgan a submissive, all we'll have to do is switch to Green or Planned, and let monopoly capitalism's nature assert itself.

Lemmy · October 20, 2002, 11:44

Now that we can build probe teams, i have no problem with switching to old explorer units for probe teams, although a bit expensive to build, if we switch to FM it will certainly be worth it.

Method · October 20, 2002, 12:49

plus, we'd the extra income from pact commerce

Frankychan · October 20, 2002, 20:06

Hmmm, good proposals everyone.

Okay, maybe my idea of making him our "piggy bank" was a little premature.

I DONT think we should switch to FM just because of all the headaches we are going to encounter with the drones and military. Better to leave it as is and then switch to Planned later on.

How many military units do we have to protect our cities?

GeneralTacticus · October 21, 2002, 03:02

I was giving some thought last night to the possibility of attacking Morgan and making him a submissive, and it probably wouldn't be that hard (of course, we can't even being making plans until we have him infiltrated). A few impact rovers, infantry and some garrisons, we should be able to grab a base or two, and he'll probably surrender. This is, of course, all hypothetical as yet.

FlameFlash · October 21, 2002, 09:27

infiltrate and keep as ally... we should try to remain honorable and be a trade partner to him... not stab him in the back... if there are any other factions on Planet left they may not look too kindly on us if we stab a friend in the back during a treaty...