PTW Democracy game signup - Page 3

Jon Shafer · October 25, 2002, 10:34

Erm, I guess I didn't phrase that right. I wanted to do that Markos, but it seems everyone else wants to do an inter-forum one (which I don't). Doing the inter-forum one is what I meant by having 100+ people.

P.S. Any progress on the MP forum?

Donegeal · October 25, 2002, 10:47

Due to security reasons, I would think that 100+ participant from poly alone would be unreasonable. We would have to limit the size of the population in this demo game and "lurkers" I feel would be a security threat. This is why when I started talking about this, it was with only active members who I know would be true to poly. I have actually been thinking a great deal about how to determine who is loyal to poly.
I think a good way to ensure some level of security to the members list is that only active members who have signed on this list WHO ARE KINGS OR HIGHER should be given a password to the PTW-MDG and they would be the ones to vote on who else should be allowed in. Yes this does sound kinda elitest, but sacrifices need to be made in order to ensure some kind of security. Please note that this requirement excludes myself from voting on membership and I'm the one who started it all.

I forsee two forums for a PTW-MDG. One a general forum where all civilans can post, participate in a Mini-game and RP all they want (as long as the RP and Mini-games do not reveal any tactical secrets). And a second, secure forum for Citizens that requires a password where stragety, maps, orders and votes are made. Hmmm.... this sounds like the Apolytonian Federation thread I'm about to start.

I realize that this would be alot of work for the gOdz, and they might object to the almost 'non-democratic' nature of my ideas, but I don't see how else we can accomplish a multi-site DG and maintain security.

Thank you Markg, and you may ban me now...

OPD · October 25, 2002, 11:23

I'm all for an inter poly MPDG teams of about 20 would be cool.

(Trip can I join the red team?)

Combat Ingrid · October 25, 2002, 11:37

I'm in!

astrologix · October 25, 2002, 11:55

I am trying to form an spanish speaking team (in fact I am a spanish speaking too).

This team would be created from the Spanish Civilization Site, hosted by Apolyton, and who has an apolytonian sub-forum.

The first answers to my request in this sub-forum are encouraging. So I think this team could possibly be a reality in short.

Of course, this team would play the Spanish civ !!

Any reactions ?

Jon Shafer · October 25, 2002, 12:07

I think a 'teams' game would be more fun (and also could start, oh, 3 months sooner?). We could even get some teams from CFC and elsewhere to join in, if we don't have too many already (we may

).

Oh, and the Red Team's roster is still open.

Welcome onboard OPD.

notyoueither · October 25, 2002, 14:57

Hmmm. Very interesting.

We form teams to play both each other and other sites?

I like that plan, IF each of our teams can have a private forum here on Poly. That's acturally quite interesting. You could get teams with different modes of operation.

Hmmm. Spartans anyone? Who fancies themself a Provost?

CivGeneral · October 25, 2002, 15:12

Interesting, A PTW Demogame.

Arnelos · October 25, 2002, 15:55

Teams IS an interesting concept, but I'm not sure whether it would be more fun to group people by their play style or purposely diversify the groups in order to ensure that each group had people of different perspectives...

For instance, would it be more fun to have guys like Duddha and Thud working together against a similar array of people on other teams or to have all the warmongers on one team and all the peacenics on another. Personally, I think it would be FAR more interesting to maintain the diversity of opinion on individual teams... but that's just me

Kloreep · October 25, 2002, 16:29

I'll probably sit out an immediate team game and wait for the inter-site demogame (or whatever comes next), since I'm not sure when I'll be getting PTW.

Jon Shafer · October 25, 2002, 17:00

Markos was the one who came up with the idea for PtW Demo Game teams, so I'm assuming he'll accomodate us accordingly.

The composition of the teams will depend upon how people decide to make them. There will be no rules other than what each team comes up with for their own team. For example, one team may have a leader who recruited some people, and dishes out tasks, while another team may be one where everyone decided to get together, and just play, with no real rules. It depends on who's playing.

P.S. The Red Team will be victorious.

Donegeal · October 25, 2002, 17:15

A poly v poly MP DG would be interesting only as an educational tool to the Multi-Site DG. As it might take quite a long time (er.. several months) to organize a MSDG, we could use this time to play one, or several small inter-poly games. Small maps (no bigger than Standard) and quick games to learn the ins and outs before we take on other sites...

adaMada · October 25, 2002, 19:03

Grr... I KNOW I'm not going to be able to pick which team to join if we do it by teams

.

Oh well... I can think of worse things happening

.

By the way, I'd personally have teams with about twenty five people each, not twenty, though I might be overestimating how many people will be interested.

-- adaMada

Duddha · October 25, 2002, 19:06

Quote:

Due to security reasons, I would think that 100+ participant from poly alone would be unreasonable. We would have to limit the size of the population in this demo game and "lurkers" I feel would be a security threat.

If I'm placed on the court I promise to root out all traitors.

Duddha · October 25, 2002, 19:09

Quote:

For instance, would it be more fun to have guys like Duddha and Thud working together against a similar array of people on other teams or to have all the warmongers on one team and all the peacenics on another. Personally, I think it would be FAR more interesting to maintain the diversity of opinion on individual teams... but that's just me

While Apolyton may play against groups that are more "team" based, I think Apolyton should maintain some form of democracy made up of varied groups. This model may prove difficult (traitors!), but I think it will promot participation.

Duddha · October 25, 2002, 19:14

I've already planned a Nationalist Democratic Party.

BigFurryMonster · October 26, 2002, 09:55

Count me in, please.

GePap · October 26, 2002, 13:14

Sign me up.

Aggie · October 26, 2002, 14:01

I would definitely like to join, though I don't know when I'll get the game itself.
Aggie

realpolitic · October 26, 2002, 15:07

Count me in!

mrmitchell · October 26, 2002, 18:16

I don't have a single clue of when I'll get the game, and I don't really have a clue about how it will be played, mechanics etc. If it were an inter-apoly game it could be like we just played the sixteen nations in the game and each picked whatever nation to join and there'd be a seperate forum for each nation. (Oh god, it would probly be a nightmare for MarkG and...um...those other guys? Mark cant run the Apo forums by himself?)

And nation-teams could have immigration policies that ranged from permissive to no one gets in or out alive, i.e. (example) Panzer32 a member of say America would maybe not be able to gain permission to join England but new members will be ok. It could be like if England was at war with America he couldn't be switching sides all the time. Just an example. and once one nation was conquered they're citizens would be assmiliated into the conquerer. It'd probably be difficult to conquer any1 tho with the best of Civ3 DG going agaisnt the best of Civ3 DG. It would be a very complicated zoo.
Or it could be a multi-site DG. Doesn't GhengisFarb have membership on both CivFanatics and Apolyton? If CF were to join in the m-s DG then which website-nation-team-whatever would he join? Our would he be a double-agent?

Oh well if someone could just tell me what will go on it'll be ok. I'll join either way or any way though, I dunno. I just am rather clueless about how the PtW demogame will be played or when I'll get it or anything.

Hopelessly Confused, (just like a manager)
mrmitchell

Donny · October 26, 2002, 18:37

I'm new, but I would like to join.

Duddha · October 26, 2002, 19:09

i think we would have enough if we only played by sites.

1. Apolyton
2. Fanatica
3. OneBigCommunity
4. Das Civilization Universum (german)
5. Spanish Civilization Site
6. Bengal Republic (new one I found on Fanatica site:http://pub135.ezboard.com/bciv3democracygame)

and some smaller groups might also spring up.

CiverDan · October 26, 2002, 19:11

IHMO, I don't know if CivFanatics ppl want to play against us. Someone posted on one of their boards that he thought the Apolyton demogames takes too long to complete Because it's one turn per week as opposed to one turn per day.

Duddha · October 26, 2002, 19:42

I think the issues around how often we play can be worked out. It would be a shame if Fanatica didn't play because they don't have real lives.

(a bit ironic)

Sanuk · October 26, 2002, 20:17

WheeHaaa,

Please count me in...

Sanuk

Arnelos · October 26, 2002, 20:26

As for PTW itself... I'm planning to buy it the very day it comes out... computer stores have an amusing tendency to not accurately predict which games are going to sell particularly well... so they offer some big-name titles for $30 or so on the first day or two of sales before they realize that they've sold out of the first batch and decide to offer all later batches for $60+.

I purchased Moo 1, Moo2, and Civ2 all this way

GeneralTacticus · October 27, 2002, 05:12

I'd like to join, though I don't know when I'll be able to get PTW.

I am Ruler · October 27, 2002, 07:27

hello me too

F-PRO · October 27, 2002, 09:36

I'll join too.