The Democtatic Movement of Apolytonia

Panzer32 · October 24, 2002, 15:11

Unite, all democarats; 'tis the time for action.

I am starting a democratic movement now that we will be able to research it soon. Members can sign up here.

To all supporters: Support the researching of democracy for our next technology - we need to step into a new phase of government soon.

Member list:
-Panzer32
-jdjdjd
-Shiber
-ThePlagueRat
-civman2000
-Aro
-Nimitz

Arnelos · October 24, 2002, 15:28

Ah, a 'Radical Party'

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I think I'll play the part of a Gladstone or a Disraeli rather than a fully committed radical on this issue

I will support an expansion of the franchise once further research has been conducted on the feasibility of doing so while maintaining the social order and the property rights of citizens.

For, as penned by the wise Mr. Benjamin Franklin (RL in 1759):

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!"

So, provided that the radicals supporting democracy will respect the republican system of passing any extentions of the franchise through the senate and that various rights established by our constitution are maintained, I can support such a movement.

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Yes, definately go for democracy... no brainer, especially if we're thinking of a diplomatic or space race victory. Once we get police stations, even continuing limited wars becomes a distinct possibility when needed.

jdjdjd · October 24, 2002, 15:40

Yes, count me in

joncnunn · October 24, 2002, 17:04

I'll porbably vote the same way the DMA does, but won't be joining this single issue group.

My exact preference is switch to Democracy the turn it's adviable unless we are having the Golden Age or are at war at the time, in which case delay until both the GA and war ends.

I'm also in favor of researching Democracy as soon as we discover Printing Press.

I'm going to want to see a table of various science percentages - turns to reserch - and amount of surplus (deficit) to decide optimal percentage going into researching it though.

Shiber · October 25, 2002, 07:40

Sign me up!

Randolph · October 25, 2002, 07:49

We could use the increased work rate to clear jungle and build railroads. I definitely think that we should go for democracy... I don't know how much this can be backed up with role playing...

mrmitchell · October 25, 2002, 09:02

I guess I agree with joncnunn-get demo soon as advisable, but I will not join this group. (You do realize there probably will only be the UAD as always and an Apoly Communist Front after the DMA's goal is realized?) All thanks go to Arnelos for inspiring a pile full of revolutionary threads. (ARF his own, ADF, UAD, DMA, probably a communist one soon, I dunno) Nice spelling, pal.

ThePlagueRat · October 25, 2002, 09:34

Democracy is one hundred infected rats trying to dance on a small table, with a sick cat lurking underneath.

Sign me up!

Panzer32 · October 25, 2002, 15:44

Ok, I updated the member list. We now have 4 members. Hmmm...

I am only counting the people who definately said they are in.

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DMA

I never said this movement could be reduced to a mere acronym!!!

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Democracy is one hundred infected rats trying to dance on a small table, with a sick cat lurking underneath.

Yes, lets support our movement with obscure metaphors.

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"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!"

I call not the lamb

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Ah, a 'Radical Party'

You forgot underground and subversive.

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I'll porbably vote the same way the DMA does

Yes!!!!

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but won't be joining this single issue group

No!!!!

To all members: beware of a leader with lame sense of humour.

Panzer32 · October 27, 2002, 22:57

*Bump*

To clarify the stand of the Democratic Movement of Apolytonia:

We want to reasearch democracy next, and to start a revolution (1 turn - we're religious!!) to become a democracy. (If we are in the middle of a war or something, then don't switch - that would be pointless with the war weariness - switch after the war, at the first time possible).

civman2000 · October 28, 2002, 14:32

count me in!

Panzer32 · October 28, 2002, 16:38

Updated list

Panzer32 · October 30, 2002, 17:10

Please confirm: We are researching democracy now, right?

joncnunn · October 30, 2002, 17:13

Yes, there's currently a debate on how fast to research it though.

Aro · October 30, 2002, 17:14

I'm in.

Nimitz · October 30, 2002, 17:22

I'm in.

Panzer32 · October 30, 2002, 20:01

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We are researching democracy now

This means that half of the goal of the Democratic Movement of Apolytonia is reached. The only thing left is to support researching it quickly, and switching as soon as we get it.

Ps: Welcome to the new members.

Shiber · October 31, 2002, 12:09

At this point it seems that 'as soon as we get it' would occur sometime before our GA is over. I'm an avid supporter or Democracy but I say we shouldn't be as radical as to switch governments during our GA!
Let's wait after the GA is over to switch.

Panzer32 · October 31, 2002, 16:55

Shiber, I take it you are saying this because you want to avoid the time of anarchy that cuts into our (increased) production. I can see your point of view. Just one thing more to consider: We only have 1 turn of anarchy, remember?

I belive that Shiber is right this time. We would only get democracy during the closing years of our GA, and the turn of anarchy would not be worth the sacrifice. Now, if we got Demo. early on, I would say go for it to decrease corruption over most of our GA.

In conclusion, my statement has been ammended to "The only thing left is to support researching it quickly, and switching as soon as we get it and our GA is over".

Panzer32 · October 31, 2002, 16:57

Ps: OT: Like my new Avatar??? I finally got it working!!

Shiber · October 31, 2002, 17:05

Yes, I realize we only have one turn of anarchy but as you said, what I meant is that it will not be worth it because we'll only get Democracy close to the end of the GA, and if you compare the losses from a turn of GA wasted in anarchy and the benefits of having Democracy throughout the rest of the GA, the losses will outweigh the benefits.
Btw, congrats on your new avatar.

Panzer32 · November 8, 2002, 19:22

WE NOW HAVE DEMOCRACY!!!

OK, to all members of the Democratic Movement of Apolytonia, FULLY support switching to democracy WHEN our GA is over.

Of course, you can support switching during our GA, but the one turn of anarchy may not be good during the GA.

Spiffor · November 8, 2002, 20:55

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FULLY support switching to democracy WHEN our GA is over.

I'm a supporter !

Arnelos · November 8, 2002, 22:12

If I have anything to do with it (and I do...), the administration very well may start a poll on this issue in the near future

Given our religious trait, it's always POSSIBLE to go democratic even before the end of the GA, but I agree that waiting for the end of the GA is probably better.

Thus...

[rp]

An expansion of suffrage rights is something I'm willing to consider and perhaps even officially propose, but it will take some time to work out the details of how our state infrastructure would handle the change.

[/rp]

Aggie · November 8, 2002, 22:43

I agree we should switch the second the GA is over, we don't want to waste a turn of the GA.
Aggie

Arnelos · November 9, 2002, 02:06

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Originally posted by Arnelos

[rp]

An expansion of suffrage rights is something I'm willing to consider and perhaps even officially propose, but it will take some time to work out the details of how our state infrastructure would handle the change.

[/rp]

Given this role-play, I have switched my avatar to a scetch of William Ewart Gladstone

Shiber · November 9, 2002, 04:07

We don't want to waste a single turn of GA in anarchy, and we don't want to waste a single turn afterwards in republic. The answer is then obvious - switch immediately after the GA is over.

E_T · November 9, 2002, 11:55

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Originally posted by Arnelos

Given this role-play, I have switched my avatar to a scetch of William Ewart Gladstone

Who was he?

E_T