The National Flag

[child of Thor]

I'd completely missed this thread! And so funny too
Anyway my 2p:
Red/black/yellow are a good combination for flag colours, ummm could my humble Papua New Guinea flag(see left ) provide anybody with some inspiration? The Lemur/CTP2 symbol design of Maqs is great! How about a black lower triangle(right handside)with a red upper triangle(top left part) as the flag colour. With a black Lemur in the red bit and a yellow CTP2 symbol in the Black bit or some such arrangement(maybe a large yellow Lemur in the middle and small CTP2 symbolin top right?) sexy no?
Anyway there are lots of good ones here so far

[Immortal Wombat]

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[Immortal Wombat]

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[child of Thor]

Mr Wombat,
you out do yourself good sir
Both very nice indeed, what do you use to do the flags?
That last one looks better with the black and red sections the same as the PNG flag, so thanks for that.
Did you try the CTP2 symbol instead of the southern cross stars? What do people think? Do we have a contender?

Edit:
OT. Uk based folks might like to know that Mon 4th Nov there is a documentary on TV about Angkor Wat and the civillisation that built it,looks very interesting! BBC2 i think but it might be BBC1?

[Maquiladora]

Either one is good for me just as long as we make a decision.

I saw an advert for the programme you mentioned but i cant find it in the listings, unless its Fred Dibnah's Magnificent Monuments

[Maquiladora]

IMO it looks abit too similar, we need to be more independant i think.

[Pedrunn]

Cot, you have to sign to the CTP2DG civgroup. didnt you know?
The citzen registration is obsolete.
Check this: http://apolyton.net/forums/civgroups.php?s=

[centrifuge]

I was just toying around last night and came up with this, just another one to add to the mass

[centrifuge]

Yuck the quality of that JPEG is awful...

[J Bytheway]

Great work, everybody - I thinkwe've exceeded the number of options possible in a poll already...

For the purposes of flags, PNGs are certainly preferableto JPEGs.

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

multiple lemurs could be introdueced ti the flag when we go to city state, one for each city.
well, city state is a feature of cradle, not of sap iirc?

[Maquiladora]

Yep its not in SAP, although its very nice, having them in a row like that reminds me of a coat rack or a set of shower curtain rings.

Looks like we may need a flag poll afterall.

[Immortal Wombat]

CoT - I use PSP7

Won't GIFS be alright as well, since we're only using a few colours?

[Maquiladora]

Ive been using gifs all this time, its okay unless you want to paste in something with higher colours it doesnt look exact, but all you have to do is increase the depth to 24bit then paste it in and save it as a gif again, itll ask to reduce the colour depth again but it doesnt look half as bad.

I use PSP too, version 4 woohoo

[Maquiladora]

BTW that program about Angkor Wat is on Channel 4 tonight at 8 the program is called "Lost Worlds".

[Immortal Wombat]

uuurgh. I was out

[child of Thor]

Originally posted by J Bytheway
........ PNGs are certainly preferable to JPEGs.

He!He! nice pun

Thanks Maq and IW for playing with the PNG flag and Lemurs for me - i might try to adopt one

Pedrunn, no i didn't know - gad i'm just not able to wade through these threads as i used to be, it's my dodgy knee you know? And thanks for the heads up, i'll check the link.
(Yep channel4 - hope my vid vids ok hmmm IW any idea how to convert 1hr VHS into a 1Meg attachment,Slic maybe )

[Immortal Wombat]

Maybe upload it to the modmakers site. that has 250 megs available.

[J Bytheway]

Originally posted by child of Thor
He!He! nice pun

It was a pun ?

[Maquiladora]

Papua New Guinea (CoT's flag) and PNG file type, i didnt get it either at first

[child of Thor]

Sorry J Bytheway,
I didn't get it obviously either!

So erm do we vote for a flag then? Or maybe we should vote for the vote for the flag first

Oh yeah that Angkor Wat documentary was ok - maybe a bit simple, but very interesting non the less. Apparently around the 13th Century when London had a Pop of about 30-40,000 , Angkor Wat had about 150,000 they think - a huge city(one quarter of it was about the same size as Manhatten Island!) built on their ability to harness water ways and undertake huge amounts of stone construction. Unfortunaltly they seemed to ignore their military 'tech', and although great builders, got into wars that caused their downfall. A lesson for all CTP2 players maybe?

[Frozzy]

Yes! They didn't honour the Great Lemur!

All hail Winnie... All hail Lemurs...

[Immortal Wombat]

No Lemurs in Cambodia: that was the problem. Maybe they worshipped some gibbon pretenders

[Locutus]

Well, all monkies *are* sacred animals in Hinduism

Actually, CoT, an important part of the fall of the Khmer Empire were religious reforms which weakened the position of the king. That, combined with continuous warfare which eroded their economy (specifically, their irrigation and drainage network). Technologically had little to do with it (if anything, they were superior to their neighbours)...

Why do they always broadcast the best programs on BBC Choice or Channel 4 when I can only get BBC1, BBC2 and BBC World?

[SMIFFGIG]

Well, monkies *are* sacred animals in Hinduism

And in China they eat there brains.... its a funny world isnt it


btw higlight a smilie face and it turns to a sad one ..try

[Locutus]

Originally posted by SMIFFGIG
And in China they eat there brains.... its a funny world isnt it

Actually, that's an urban legend. There *is* a Chinese legend that mentions monkey brains as a medicine, but AFAIK there are very few to no cases known where this legend was actually put into practice...

[child of Thor]

Originally posted by Locutus
..... Technologically had little to do with it (if anything, they were superior to their neighbours)...

Why do they always broadcast the best programs on BBC Choice or Channel 4 when I can only get BBC1, BBC2 and BBC World?

Well apparantly their stock soldier had no armour,no helmet - just a big shield and a spear. And the bit they mentioned was their real short fall was that they had no missile weapons at all. Apparantly their neighbours from the east(siam or vietnam?) were a little better armed at the final big war, and sacked the whole city dragging of the god-king and his household(including his 50 concubines!!), and Angkor-wat never really recoverd after that. I'm not sure how old this doc was so it might be out of date a bit?
And the fact they had converted to buddism as you mentioned, seemed to make them want to be more peacefull - shame that they had been beating up on their neighbours for so long - they weren't ready to forget the past so easily.
Usually BBC2 is pretty good for these kind of Docs, BBC1 has gone downhill trying to beat ITV at dumb-tv, but still has the occaisional good doc(usually nature related), and suprisingly both Chl4 and Chl5 seem to do good history related Docs amidst all the T+A/and 'real-life' tv dross!!
So do we get to vote for a flag?(and if we do can it be incorparated into the actual game/screen shots we might get?) Or is this all largely irrelevant to a Democracy game??

@SMIFFGIG
In PNG they used to eat human brains, and if you speak to some of the old people they will wave up into the jungle and say that some of the bushfolk still do........

[Locutus]

The Khmer, not having any missile weapons? You *must* be joking? They used archers, crossbowmen, elephant-mounted javelineers, siege weapons, etc... Although the core of all SE Asian armies was formed by Infantry, they are all famous for their elephants and their archery, the Khmer are no exception. From what I've read every single battle carving from Angkor includes bowmen of some kind (the ones I've seen certainly do), so documentary was grossly mistaken on that.

In the time period you mention, Angkor Wat was only sacked by the enemy from the west, not the east: Ayuttaya (Thailand/Siam), so that's not quite right either. In that time period, the Thai were not significantly better armed than the Khmer - or at least all my sources seem to stress that all SE Asian armies were of roughly the same quality and that because of this the outcome of battles was usually determined by army size more than anything else.

The Khmer converted from a Hinduism - Mahayana Buddhism mix to Theravada Buddhism, so they were already partly-Buddhist before the conversion. And when it comes to state religions, Buddishm is by not an awful lot more peaceful than Hinduism, or any other religion for that matter. The main problem with abolishing Hinduism was that the king was now just a king, no longer a god-king. Obeying him was less important than before and Khmer kings had a harder time getting their subjects to follow their commands (not only did warfare take a turn for the worse, very little impressive construction work was done in this period as well: it was no longer necessary to build any massive buildings to house the living god).

And until their decline, the Khmer most warred against the Annam, Mon, Champa, Burmese and Javans, the Thai (who eventually defeated them) weren't their 'natural' enemies, they were the new kids on the block (migrated from present-day China) and didn't have many old scores to settle.

If your post here is representative for that documentary, I guess I'm not too sad I missed it after all (unless all my previous sources were crap)

[HuangShang]

this thread is officially hijack

anyway... Chinese dont eat any parts of monkeys
only turtle, shark, octopus, fish, pig, cow, chicken, and some more.......................

[Maquiladora]

Didnt Indiana Jones have to eat monkey brains on the Temple of Doom? I know its fictional but at least...

Back onto the subject of our flag, should we name which flag we like here then? Seeing as the entries have dried up slightly now, i think we've got enough to choose from.