$Mini-Game TRADING SESSION FOURTEEN (14)

[jdd2007]

due to unforseen circumstances, i cannot manage my estate for a month. ada-mada, if you take care of it and build some stuff, you can take 10%. thanks.

jdd2007 signing out

[GhengisFarb™]

I'm back, with jungle to burn!

Originally posted by Randolph
damnit, since I'm obviously not going to get any labor in Gaia I'd like to cancel my order to buy 1 shield... but I'll keep my order for labor in gaia just so you bastards will have to pay a little more

There are other cities besides Gaia. Pretty much every city in the Market will be size 12 before too long.

Originally posted by jdd2007
Eastate of jdd2007
Turn 14

GF, i dont know what to do about building stuff

You could
Hire 3 labor in Termina
Use 3 shields to build a Shoppe (or Eatery) in Termina

[adaMada]

Sorry for the messy format -- half of it is my format, half of it is UnOrthO's. I'll get it to something standard next turn. Let me know if I've made any mistakes, since this is my first time doing this and I'd be lying if I didn't say it was really hard to keep track of all the numbers.

** I believe all these numbers are correct, but this is my first time doing UnOrthO's estate, so I might have messed up . If I have, please let me know. **

EDIT: Am I right in saying that labor for things built on UnOrthO's estates must come from Termina?
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Gazette Estates.
Managed by adaMada

Current Stockpile: 0 food, 0 shield, 0 Commerce, 4 paper, 4 books, 6 half-shield, 1 horse, 6 vassals

Current Production: 6(9 - 3 for vassals) food, 6 shield, 13 commerce.

Cash $3177, Debt $0, 1 horse (Ulfias), 6 Vassals (persian)

Proposed transactions:

Convert Gaia Bindery into Printing Press using 2 halfshields, 2 labor
Build storehouse on estate using 2 halfshields, 2 termina labor
Change Apolytonia Shoppe into Chain Retail Store using 2 halfshields, 2 labor
Sell 6 food @ $1 min
Sell 6 Commerce through Shoppe @ $1 min
Sell 4 Books Through Bookstore @ $1 min
Sell 7 Commerce @ $1 min
4 vassals work 4 paper in bindery making books
2 vassals make 4 paper in paper mill (2 shields)
Work 3 shields in paper press

Bid on following labor @ max $200:
5 termina labor
2 apolytonia labor
2 gaia labor

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb
Hire 2 labor from Apolyton @ no more than $500

Sell 8 shields @ D/S

Changing to:
Hire 4 labor from Apolyton @ no more than $500

Sell 6 shields @ D/S
Use 2 Apolyton labor to build storehouse on Apolyton NW

[GhengisFarb™]

MARKET STATUS UPDATE

Labor Market
Apolyton Available Labor: 7
GhengisFarb is hiring 4 labor @ $500 max
Gazette Estates is hiring 2 labor @ $200 max

Termina Available Labor: 6
GhengisFarb is hiring 1 labor @ $500 max
Gazette Estates is hiring 5 labor @ $200 max

Tassagrad Available Labor: 8
GhengisFarb is hiring 3 labor @ $500 max
Kloreep is hiring 5 labor @ $130 max

BHQ Available Labor: 7
GhengisFarb is hiring 3 labor @ $500 max
Kloreep is hiring 3 labor @ $130 max

Gotham Available Labor: 6
GhengisFarb is hiring 6 labor @ $500 max

Chartres Available Labor: 3
GhengisFarb is hiring 3 labor @ $500 max

Timeline Available Labor: 9
GhengisFarb is hiring 1 labor @ $500 max
Kloreep is hiring 4 labor @ $130 max
notyoueither is hiring 1 labor @ D/S +5

Gaia Available Labor: 9 Demand:14 Minimum Wage: D/S 12/9=$156
GhengisFarb is hiring 1 labor @ $500 max
Jonny is hiring 2 labor @ $250 max
=OttomusCeasar= is hiring 6 labor @ $300 max
Randolph is hiring 3 labor @ $122 max
Gazette Estates is hiring 2 labor @ $200 max


Land Auction


O) $1250 Gaia N (2 food, 3 commerce)
...GhengisFarb bid $1300


S) $1500 Gaia SE (2 food, 1 shield, 3 commerce)
...Nimitz bid $1500


The winning horse receives 25% of the proceeds, second place receives 10%, and third place receives 5%.
(21 commerce equivilent)


Horses entered in first Race:
1) Theodosius (by Randolph)
2) Ulfias (by UnOrthOdOx)


Oh well in the third Quarter Length the standings are:
1) Theodosius is behind by 1 (rolled an 2(3+6+2=11))
2) Ulfias (rolled a 4(5+3+4=12))

[adaMada]

EDIT: Ghengis, will you be racing horses next turn, or will there be a one turn delay between races?
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Originally posted by adaMada
Estate of adaMada, Turn 14
Administered by adaMada

Holdings: Chartres nw2, Timeline nnw, Apolyton wnw (Player #1)
Buildings: Brewery on Timeline nnw
Production: 5 food, 2 shields, 4 commerce
Stockpile: 4 shields
Cash: $414
Debt: $0

Proposed deals:

Feed 1 food to vassals
Convert 1 food into 1 ale with 1 worker
Sell 3 food @ min. $1
Sell 4 Commerce @ min. $1
Sell 2 shields
Buy one horse from NotYouEither at Commerce D/S + Horse Bonus

New Proposed Deals: (Other deals stand)
Begin and complete construction of TAVERN on Timeline nnw.
- Use one vassal
- Hire two labor in Timeline ($200 max)
--- Use one stockpiled shield if necessary.

-- adaMada --

[GhengisFarb™]

MARKET CLOSEDGhengis Gardens
Horses entered in first Race:
1) Theodosius (by Randolph)
2) Ulfias (by UnOrthOdOx)

FINAL Quarter Length the standings are:
1) Theodosius wins by 3 (rolled an 6(3+6+2+6=17))
2) Ulfias (rolled a 2(5+3+42=14))

Race Proceeds= 21 commerce @ $122 ($2562)
$640 goes to Randoph
$256 goes to UnOrthOdOx

FINAL AUCTION STATUS[/size][/b]
Land Auction


O) $1250 Gaia N (2 food, 3 commerce)
...GhengisFarb bid $1300


S) $1500 Gaia SE (2 food, 1 shield, 3 commerce)
...Nimitz bid $1500

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FINAL TRANSACTION LIST FOR SESSION 14
Here's what I came up with for completed transactions:

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LABOR MARKET
Apolyton Available Labor: 7
D:S 6/7 = $86
GhengisFarb hired 4 labor in Apolyton @ $86
UnOrthOdOx hired 2 labor in Apolyton @ $86

Termina Available Labor: 6
D:S 6/6 = $100
GhengisFarb hired 1 labor in Termina @ $100
UnOrthOdOx hired 5 labor in Termina @ $100

Tassagrad Available Labor: 8
D:S 8/8 = $100
GhengisFarb hired 3 labor in Tassagrad @ $100
Kloreep hired 5 labor in Tassagrad @ $100

BHQ Available Labor: 7
D:S 6/7 = $86
GhengisFarb hired 3 labor in BHQ @ $86
Kloreep hired 3 labor in BHQ @ $86

Gotham Available Labor: 6
D:S 6/6 = $100
GhengisFarb hired 6 labor in Gotham @ $100

Chartres Available Labor: 3
D:S 3/3 = $100
GhengisFarb hired 3 labor in Chartres @ $100

Timeline Available Labor: 9
D:S 6/9 = $67
GhengisFarb hired 1 labor in Timeline @ $67
Kloreep hired 4 labor in Timeline @ $67
notyoueither hired 1 labor in Timeline @ $67

Gaia Available Labor: 9
D:S 14/9 = $156
GhengisFarb hired 1 labor in Gaia @ $156
Jonny hired 2 labor in Gaia @ $156
UnOrthOdOx hired 2 labor in Gaia @ $156
=OttomusCeasar= hired 6 labor in Gaia @ $156
Randolph failed to hire 3 labor in Gaia due to labor shortage

FINAL TRANSACTIONS:
adaMada hired 2 labor in Timeline @ $89
GhengisFarb hired 4 labor in Apolyton @ $86
GhengisFarb hired 1 labor in Termina @ $100
GhengisFarb hired 3 labor in Tassagrad @ $100
GhengisFarb hired 3 labor in BHQ @ $86
GhengisFarb hired 6 labor in Gotham @ $100
GhengisFarb hired 3 labor in Chartres @ $100
GhengisFarb hired 1 labor in Timeline @ $89
GhengisFarb hired 1 labor in Gaia @ $156
Jonny hired 2 labor in Gaia @ $100
Kloreep hired 5 labor in Tassagrad @ $100
Kloreep hired 3 labor in BHQ @ $86
Kloreep hired 4 labor in Timeline @ $89
notyoueither hired 1 labor in Timeline @ $89
=OttomusCeasar= hired 6 labor in Gaia @ $100
Randolph failed to hire 3 labor in Gaia due to labor shortage
UnOrthOdOx hired 2 labor in Apolyton @ $86
UnOrthOdOx hired 5 labor in Termina @ $100
UnOrthOdOx hired 2 labor in Gaia @ $100

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FOOD MARKET
Food demand: 110
Food supplied: 18
Food sold: 103

D:S = 110/(18+103)121 = 01%
End price = $91
FINAL TRANSACTIONS:
adamada sold 3 food @ $91
Captain sold 2 food @ $91
GhengisFarb sold 16 food @ $91 (through Tavern(Inn))
GhengisFarb sold 28 food @ $91
Jonny sold 6 food @ $91 (through Eatery)
Jonny sold 1 food @ $91
Kloreep sold 1 food @ $91
Nimitz sold 12 food @ $91
notyoueither sold 6 food @ $91 (through Eatery)
notyoueither sold 9 food @ $91
=OttomusCeasar= sold 11 food @ $91
Randolph sold 2 food @ $91
UnOrthOdOx sold 6 food @ $91 (through Eatery)

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SHIELD MARKET
Shields demand: 65
Shields supplied: 73
Shields sold: 24 Shields bought: 3

D:S = 68(65+3)/94(73+24) = 70.1%
End price = $70
FINAL TRANSACTIONS:
adamada sold 3 shields @ $70
Captain sold 1 shield @ $70
GhengisFarb sold 6 shields @ $70
Jonny sold 1 shield @ $70(Through Hardware Store)
Kloreep sold 1 shield @ $70
Nimitz sold 8 shields @ $70
notyoueither sold 4 shields @ $70
=OttomusCeasar= bought 3 shields @ $70

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COMMERCE MARKET
Commerce demand: 440
Commerce supplied: 29
Commerce bought: 2
Commerce sold: 151

D:S = 442(440+2)/180(29+151)=122.22
End price = $122
FINAL TRANSACTIONS:
adaMada sold 4 commerce @ $122
adaMada bought 1 Horse(commerce) @ $122
Captain sold 3 commerce @ $122
GhengisFarb sold 6 Dye @ $122 (Through Specialty Shoppe(Inn))
GhengisFarb sold 6 Dye @ $122
GhengisFarb sold 36 commerce @ $122 (Through Shoppes(Inn)
GhengisFarb sold 6 commerce @ $122 (Through Shoppe)
Jonny sold 6 commerce @ $122 (Through Shoppe)
Jonny sold 6 commerce @ $122
Kloreep sold 11 commerce @ $122 (Through Shoppe(Marketplace))
Kloreep sold 7 snacks(commerce) @ $122 Shoppe(Marketplace)
Kloreep sold 1 snack(commerce) @ $122
Nimitz sold 6 commerce @ $122 (Through Shoppe(Marketplace))
Nimitz sold 12 commerce @ $122
notyoueither sold 6 commerce @ $122 (Through Shoppe(Marketplace))
notyoueither sold 5 commerce @ $122
notyoueither sold 4 Horses @ $122
notyoueither sold 4 Dyes @ $122
=OttomusCeasar= sold 7 commerce @ $122
=OttomusCeasar= bought 1 Horse(commerce) @ $122
Randolph sold 3 commerce @ $122
Randolph won $640 in prize money
UnOrthOdOx sold 12 commerce @ $122 (Through Shoppes(Marketplace))
UnOrthOdOx sold 1 commerce @ $122
UnOrthOdOx sold 4 books @ $183 (150% of D/S) (Through Book Store)
UnOrthOdOx won $256 in prize money

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ALCOHOL MARKET
{Ale, Beer, Rum, and Wine} Base price $100
Apolyton Market: 14 demanded, 2 sold...14/2 = $700
GhengisFarb sold 2 ale in Apolyton @ $700 (Through Tavern(Inn))

Termina Market: 12 demanded, 2 sold...12/2 = $600
GhengisFarb sold 2 ale in Termina @ $600 (Through Tavern(Inn))

Tassagrad Market: 16 demanded, 2 sold...16/2 = $800
GhengisFarb sold 2 ale in Tassagrad @ $800 (Through Tavern(Inn))

BHQ Market: 14 demanded, 1 sold...14/2 = $700
GhengisFarb sold 2 ale in BHQ @ $700 ((Through Tavern(Inn))


Gotham Market: 12 demanded, none sold

Chartres Market: 2 demanded, none sold

Timeline Market: 18 demanded, none sold

Gaia Market: 18 demanded, none sold

FINAL TRANSACTIONS:
GhengisFarb sold 2 ale in Apolyton @ $700 (Through Tavern(Inn))
GhengisFarb sold 2 ale in Termina @ $600 (Through Tavern(Inn))
GhengisFarb sold 2 ale in Tassagrad @ $800 (Through Tavern(Inn))
GhengisFarb sold 2 ale in BHQ @ $800 ((Through Tavern(Inn))

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Total Incomes

adamada sold 3 food @ $91
adamada sold 3 shields @ $70
adaMada sold 4 commerce @ $122
adaMada bought 1 Horse(commerce) @ $122
adaMada used 1 vassal to convert 1 food into 1 ale in his BREWERY on Timeline nnw
(the other vassal was on vacation)
..........Total Income for Turn = $849 (Cash $1263, Debt $0)
BREWERY on Timeline nnw


Apocalypse
..........Total Income for Turn = $0 (Cash $412, Debt $1000)


Captain sold 1 shield @ $70
Captain sold 2 food @ $91
Captain sold 3 commerce @ $122

..........Total Income for Turn =$618 (Cash $3468, Debt $0)


civman2000 received $175 rent from GhengisFarb
..........Total Income for Turn =$175 (Cash $1275, Debt $0)


Darkness' Edge
..........Total Income for Turn =$0 (Cash $0, Debt $400)


Duddha
..........Total Income for Turn = $0 (Cash $2277, Debt $0)


Epistax
..........Total Income for Turn = $0 (Cash $395, Debt $750)


Frances
..........Noble (Cash $405 in Royal Treasury)


GhengisFarb bought tile O for $1300
GhengisFarb hired 4 labor in Apolyton @ $86
GhengisFarb hired 1 labor in Termina @ $100
GhengisFarb hired 3 labor in Tassagrad @ $100
GhengisFarb hired 3 labor in BHQ @ $86
GhengisFarb hired 6 labor in Gotham @ $100
GhengisFarb hired 3 labor in Chartres @ $100
GhengisFarb hired 1 labor in Timeline @ $67
GhengisFarb hired 1 labor in Gaia @ $156
GhengisFarb sold 16 food @ $91 (through Tavern(Inn))
.....(Tavern(Inn) bonus 16 X $91 (100% of $91))
GhengisFarb sold 28 food @ $91
GhengisFarb sold 6 shields @ $70
GhengisFarb sold 6 Dye @ $122 (Through Specialty Shoppe(Inn))
.....(Shoppe(Inn) bonus 6 X $122 (100% of $122))
GhengisFarb sold 6 Dye @ $122
.....(Dye bonus 12 X $36 (30% of $122))
GhengisFarb sold 36 commerce @ $122 (Through Shoppes(Inn)
.....(Shoppe(Inn) bonus 36 X $122 (100% of $122))
GhengisFarb sold 6 commerce @ $122 (Through Shoppe)
.....(Shoppe bonus 6 X $61 (50% of $122))
GhengisFarb sold 2 ale in Apolyton @ $700 (Through Tavern(Inn))
.....(Tavern(Inn) bonus 2 X $700 (100% of $700))
GhengisFarb sold 2 ale in Termina @ $600 (Through Tavern(Inn))
.....(Tavern(Inn) bonus 2 X $600 (100% of $600))
GhengisFarb sold 2 ale in Tassagrad @ $800 (Through Tavern(Inn))
.....(Tavern(Inn) bonus 2 X $800 (100% of $800))
GhengisFarb sold 2 ale in BHQ @ $800 ((Through Tavern(Inn))
.....(Tavern(Inn) bonus 2 X $800 (100% of $800))
GhengisFarb generated Net Proceeds of $1666 from Racetrack
GhengisFarb used 1 BHQ labor to operate Racetrack
GhengisFarb used 1 Apolyton labor to operate Inn in Apolyton
GhengisFarb used 1 BHQ labor to operate Inn in BHQ
GhengisFarb used 1 Tassagrad labor to operate Inn in Tassagrad
GhengisFarb used 1 Termina labor to operate Inn in Termina
GhengisFarb used 1 Timeline labor to operate Inn in Timeline
GhengisFarb used 1 Gaia labor to operate Inn in Gaia
GhengisFarb used 1 Apolyton labor to convert 2 food into 2 Ale in Duff's Brewery
GhengisFarb used 1 BHQ labor to convert 2 food into 2 Ale in Ghengis Brewing Company
GhengisFarb used 2 Tassagrad labor to convert 4 food into 4 Ale in Duff's Brewery
GhengisFarb used 1 Gotham labor to convert 2 food into 2 Ale in Gothic Brewing Company
GhengisFarb paid civman2000 $175 rent
GhengisFarb paid rendelnep $175 rent
GhengisFarb paid 2 Horse bonus @ $36 (30% of $122))
..........Total Income for Turn = $27,809 (Cash=$65,162 Debt=$0)
TAVERN IN APOLYTON, BHQ, TASSAGRAD, and TERMINA
STOREHOUSE ON ESTATE OF GHENGISFARB
SHOPPE IN APOLYTON, BHQ, TASSAGRAD, TERMINA, TIMELINE, GOTHAM, and GAIA
DYE SHOPPE IN GAIA
INN IN APOLYTON, BHQ, TASSAGRAD, TERMINA, TIMELINE, and GAIA
BREWERY in "Jungundy" - 015 Termina NE3 Duff Brewery
BREWERY on "Ghengis Mountain" - BHQ N Ghengis Brewing Company
BREWERY on tile Apolyton nnw Duff Brewery - East Expansion
RACETRACK on tile Tassagrad nnw
BREWERY on tile Gotham wsw Gothic Brewing Company
GhengisFarb FINISHED TAVERN in Gotham
GhengisFarb FINISHED INN in Gotham
GhengisFarb FINISHED TAVERN in Chartres
GhengisFarb BUILT 3 of 5 on an INN in Chartres


jdd2007
..........Total Income for Turn = $0 (Cash $5613, Debt $0)


Jonny hired 2 labor in Gaia @ $156
Jonny sold 6 food @ $91 (through Eatery)
.....(Eatery bonus 6 X $46 (50% of $91))
Jonny sold 1 food @ $91
Jonny sold 1 shield @ $70(Through Hardware Store)
.....(Shoppe bonus 1 X $35 (50% of $70))
Jonny sold 6 commerce @ $122 (Through Shoppe)
.....(Shoppe bonus 6 X $61 (50% of $122))
Jonny sold 6 commerce @ $122
Jonny used 1 labor and 1 vassal to expand Shoppe in Gaia into a Shoppe Chain
Jonny used 1 labor and 1 vassal to expand Eatery in Gaia into a Eatery Chain
..........Total Income for Turn = $2536 (Cash $4834, Debt $0)
HARDWARE STORE IN GAIA
SHOPPE IN GAIA
EATERY in GAIA
Jonny FINISHED EXPANDING EATERY in Gaia into an Eatery Chain
Jonny FINISHED EXPANDING SHOPPE in Gaia into a Shoppe Chain


Kloreep hired 5 labor in Tassagrad @ $100
Kloreep hired 3 labor in BHQ @ $86
Kloreep hired 4 labor in Timeline @ $67
Kloreep sold 1 food @ $91
Kloreep sold 1 shield @ $70
Kloreep sold 11 commerce @ $122 (Through Shoppe(Marketplace))
.....(Shoppe(Marketplace) bonus 11 X $92 (75% of $122))
Kloreep sold 7 snacks(commerce) @ $122 Shoppe(Marketplace)
.....(Shoppe(Marketplace) bonus 7 X $92 (75% of $122))
Kloreep sold 1 snack(commerce) @ $122
Kloreep used 4 vassals to convert 4 shields to 8 halfshields in Lumber Mill on Timeline wsw
Kloreep used 3 labor in BHQ to build a Retail Business (Shoppe) using 3 half-shields
Kloreep used 3 labor in Tassagrad to build a Retail Business (Shoppe) using 3 half-shields
Kloreep used 2 labor in Tassagrad to build a Storehouse using 3 half-shields
Kloreep used 4 labor in Timeline to convert 8 food to 16 snacks in Bakery
..........Total Income for Turn = $3109 (Cash $3595, Debt $0)
SHOPPE IN APOLYTON, TERMINA, and TIMELINE
STOREHOUSE ON HIS ESTATE
BAKERY IN TIMELINE
LUMBERMILL on Timeline wsw
Kloreep FINISHED Storehouse near TASSAGRAD
Kloreep FINISHED Shoppe in TASSAGRAD
Kloreep FINISHED Shoppe in BHQ


Kramerman
..........Noble (Cash $545 in Royal Treasury)


Nimitz bought tile S for $1500
Nimitz sold 12 food @ $91
Nimitz sold 8 shields @ $70
Nimitz sold 6 commerce @ $122 (Through Shoppe(Marketplace))
.....(Shoppe(Marketplace) bonus 6 X $92 (75% of $122))
Nimitz sold 12 commerce @ $122
..........Total Income for Turn = $2900 (Cash $4758, Debt $0)
SHOPPE IN TERMINA


notyoueither hired 1 labor in Timeline @ $67
notyoueither sold 6 food @ $91 (through Eatery(Marketplace))
.....(Eatery(Marketplace) bonus 6 X $68 (75% of $109))
notyoueither sold 9 food @ $91
notyoueither sold 4 shields @ $70
notyoueither sold 6 commerce @ $122 (Through Shoppe(Marketplace))
.....(Shoppe(Marketplace) bonus 6 X $92 (75% of $122))
notyoueither sold 5 commerce @ $122
notyoueither sold 4 Horses @ $122
.....(Horse bonus 4 X $36 (30% of $122))
notyoueither sold 4 Dyes @ $122
.....(Dye bonus 4 X $36 (30% of $122))
notyoueither used 1 labor in Timeline and 1 vassal to build a Retail Business (Shoppe)
..........Total Income for Turn = $4404 (Cash $8333, Debt $0)
EATERY IN APOLYTON
SHOPPE IN APOLYTON
notyoueither FINISHED a Shoppe in Timeline


=OttomusCeasar= hired 6 labor in Gaia @ $156
=OttomusCeasar= sold 11 food @ $91
=OttomusCeasar= bought 3 shields @ $70
=OttomusCeasar= sold 7 commerce @ $122
=OttomusCeasar= bought 1 Horse(commerce) @ $122
=OttomusCeasar= used 1 vassal in Brewery to change 2 food into 2 "Ceasar's Gold" Ale
=OttomusCeasar= used 1 labor and other vassal to complete Tavern in Gaia
=OttomusCeasar= used 5 labor to build Inn in Gaia
..........Total Income for Turn = $587 (Cash $411, Debt $2000) *Paid off all government debt
STOREHOUSE ON HIS ESTATE
BREWERY on Gaia NW
=OttomusCeasar= FINISHED TAVERN in Gaia
=OttomusCeasar= FINISHED INN in Gaia


Randolph failed to hire 3 labor in Gaia due to labor shortage
Randolph sold 2 food @ $91
Randolph sold 3 commerce @ $122
Randolph won $640 in prize money
..........Total Income for Turn =$1188 (Cash $177, Debt $0) *Paid off all government debt


rendelnep received $175 rent from GhengisFarb
..........Total Income for Turn =$175 (Cash $1050, Debt $0)


Shiek
..........Noble (Cash $153 in Royal Treasury)


skywalker
..........Noble (Cash $405 in Royal Treasury)


Spiffor
..........Total Income for Turn =$0 (Cash $240, Debt $775)


UnOrthOdOx hired 2 labor in Apolyton @ $86
UnOrthOdOx hired 5 labor in Termina @ $100
UnOrthOdOx hired 2 labor in Gaia @ $100
UnOrthOdOx sold 6 food @ $91 (through Eatery)
.....(Shoppe(Marketplace) bonus 6 X $61 (75% of $91))
UnOrthOdOx sold 12 commerce @ $122 (Through Shoppes(Marketplace))
.....(Shoppe(Marketplace) bonus 6 X $92 (75% of $122))
UnOrthOdOx sold 1 commerce @ $122
UnOrthOdOx sold 4 books @ $183 (150% of D/S) (Through Book Store)
.....(Book Store bonus 4 X $137 (75% of $183))
.....(Unmet subDemand bonus 4 X $92 (50% of $183))
UnOrthOdOx won $256 in prize money
UnOrthOdOx used 2 Gaia labor to convert Bindery into Printing Press
UnOrthOdOx used 2 Apolytonia labor to expand Apolytonia Shoppe into Chain Retail Store
UnOrthOdOx used 2 Termina labor to build a Storehouse on his estate
UnOrthOdOx used 2 vassals and 2 Termina labor work 4 shield into 8 paper in paper press/mill
UnOrthOdOx used 4 vassals work 4 paper in bindery making books
..........Total Income for Turn = $4082 (Cash $7259, Debt $0)
LUMBER MILL
EATERY IN TASSAGRAD
SHOPPE IN TERMINA and APOLYTON
PAPER PRESS
BINDERY ON HIS ESTATE and GAIA
STOREHOUSE ON HIS ESTATE
BOOK STORE IN GAIA
UnOrthOdOx FINISHED a Storehouse on his estate
UnOrthOdOx EXPANDED a Shoppe in Apolyton into a Shoppe Chain
UnOrthOdOx CONVERTED a Bindery in Gaia into a Printing Press


Anyone notice any mistakes/corrections?

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by Kloreep
Tile trade: That trade would be fine anytime, but I do want to trade storehouse for storehouse, so you'd have to build one there. (Sorry I can't cancel my own warehouse build, but I'll need the extra space this turn.)

Vassals: Someone (CiverDan, I think) mentioned during the chat that we should keep track of workers for you, but we started counting a little late. IIRC, the count we got was 7, but I'd trust 8 more (a straight comparison between saves).

Were they all French?

[Randolph]

I realize the market is closed now, but could I have used labor from another city (besides Gaia) to build in my tile (Gaia W)? I thought I could only use Vassels or labor from a city that the tile in question is in the radius of.

Race Proceeds= 21 commerce @ D/S
25% goes to Randoph
10% goes to UnOrthOdOx

Nice, 5 commerce will probably more than double my income!

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by adaMada
EDIT: Ghengis, will you be racing horses next turn, or will there be a one turn delay between races?
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New Proposed Deals: (Other deals stand)
Begin and complete construction of TAVERN on Timeline nnw.
- Use one vassal
- Hire two labor in Timeline ($200 max)
--- Use one stockpiled shield if necessary.

-- adaMada --

Yes, but have received no entrys as of yet
Players Who own horses:
UnOrthOdOx
adaMada
Randoph
GhengisFarb (inelligible-but horse is available for rent, just pm me)
notyoueither

Originally posted by Randolph
I realize the market is closed now, but could I have used labor from another city (besides Gaia) to build in my tile (Gaia W)? I thought I could only use Vassels or labor from a city that the tile in question is in the radius of.

If you are building something on your tile then yes the labor has to come from a city with that tile in its radius. If you are building in a city all labor outside of vassals must be from city. You can build a shoppe in any city and use that city's labor, I don't see what difference it would make if you have a shoppe in Gaia or a shoppe in Timeline.

[Randolph]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb

If you are building something on your tile then yes the labor has to come from a city with that tile in its radius. If you are building in a city all labor outside of vassals must be from city. You can build a shoppe in any city and use that city's labor, I don't see what difference it would make if you have a shoppe in Gaia or a shoppe in Timeline.

So I can sell commerce (food, etc) that I produce in Gaia W anywhere? In this case all you need is 1 shoppe in 1 city and then you can sell all your commerce through that shoppe.

Thanks

[=OttomusCeasar=]

Originally posted by Randolph


So I can sell commerce (food, etc) that I produce in Gaia W anywhere? In this case all you need is 1 shoppe in 1 city and then you can sell all your commerce through that shoppe.

Thanks

Have you seen how much commerce Ghengis produces, I don't think he'll ever be able to sell it through ONE shoppe anywhere.

[Randolph]

up to 6 right? (14 for a chain)

I can sell all my commerce though (my big 3 commerce)

[Kloreep]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb
Were they all French?

Yes; we didn't buy any workers so far as I know (though I came in a little late).

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by Randolph
up to 6 right? (14 for a chain)

When did we get size 14 cities?

[adaMada]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb

Yes, but have received no entrys as of yet
Players Who own horses:
UnOrthOdOx
adaMada
Randoph
GhengisFarb (inelligible-but horse is available for rent, just pm me)
notyoueither

Well, turn's over now, so too late to enter . Expect me and UnOrthO to be entering next turn for the turn after. (I would have entered him this turn, but didn't realize...)

-- adaMada

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by adaMada

Well, turn's over now, so too late to enter . Expect me and UnOrthO to be entering next turn for the turn after. (I would have entered him this turn, but didn't realize...)

-- adaMada

You can still enter, it will probably be a few days before the next session.

[adaMada]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb

You can still enter, it will probably be a few days before the next session.

Very well .

Can I just say "Enter my horse and UnOrthO's horse into the race. Pay any necessary fees." (we both should have enough cash for one commerce), or do you want me to go through and actually edit the orders?

-- adaMada

[adaMada]

Ghengis, looking over this, it all looks good -- but did you miss my last orders revision, or am I missing something? If you did, it'd change a lot, so it doesn't matter -- I'll just do it next turn.

-- adaMada

[F-PRO]

NEWBIE QUESTIONS

1) Do you need labour everytime you build something, or can you choose between labour, shields or a combination of both?

2) If a building costs 5 shields/labour, what does that mean? Does it mean either 5 shields or 1 labour, or 5 shields for every labour you use or something else?

3) How long does it take for a building to complete?

4) Do you have to sell food through shoppes?

5) How is the amount of cash the government agent has determined?

6) Where can I see how much tax you have to pay?

7) When someone offers, say, $500 max for a labourer, and another one offers $400 max. The $500 max bidder wins the trade of course, but does he have to pay $401, $405, $500 or some other amount?

[adaMada]

Originally posted by F-PRO
NEWBIE QUESTIONS

1) Do you need labour everytime you build something, or can you choose between labour, shields or a combination of both?

Generally, for building, the rate is one labor per shield.

2) If a building costs 5 shields/labour, what does that mean? Does it mean either 5 shields or 1 labour, or 5 shields for every labour you use or something else?

Five shields, five labor to use the shields .

3) How long does it take for a building to complete?

Most buildings become operational the turn after they are completed, which is however fast you can build it. There might be one or two exceptions (storehouse?), but I'd have to read the rules to be sure.

4) Do you have to sell food through shoppes?

Nope -- shoppes just provide a bonus. You can still sell food on the open market.

5) How is the amount of cash the government agent has determined?

Government agent? Ghengis runs the game, but his estate is totally seperate from the mechanics of the game itself... I'm not sure I totally understand your question .

6) Where can I see how much tax you have to pay?

As far as I know, there is no tax. If you don't pay off your debt in ten/fifteen turns, then there'll be interest, but by that time paying it off should be a piece of cake.

7) When someone offers, say, $500 max for a labourer, and another one offers $400 max. The $500 max bidder wins the trade of course, but does he have to pay $401, $405, $500 or some other amount?

$500

Feel free to post any other questions .

-- adaMada

[F-PRO]

Originally posted by adaMada
Feel free to post any other questions .

Thank you, I will

Most buildings become operational the turn after they are completed, which is however fast you can build it. There might be one or two exceptions (storehouse?), but I'd have to read the rules to be sure.

If you divide the production over several turns, do you have to use one shield per labour you use, or is it possible to put 5 labourers at work at day 1, and use 5 shields at day 2 (which would be a bit unrealistic - but who cares ).

but I'd have to read the rules to be sure.

I've read the rules on the main thread, but they seem to be outdated. Are the newer versions of the rules scattered around the trade sessions, or did I once again miss an important link?

Government agent? Ghengis runs the game, but his estate is totally seperate from the mechanics of the game itself... I'm not sure I totally understand your question .

The rules in the main thread said something about a government agent, but that was the BETA faq.

$500

, so if someone offers $1 minimum for food, he will have to sell the food for $1 if he wins the trade? Also, if the guy bid $500 for labour, but the supply of labourers exceeds the demand, does he then have to pay the price set by the D:S ratio instead of his max offer?

[UnOrthOdOx]

The Government agent has been removed more or less.

Hiring of labor and selling of product work on a supply/demand sort of system. If you offer to purchase at max 500, you will get the worker at the best price for the supply demand. Traditionally, whoever goes first will get the workers first as long as they bid enough to cover the price based on supply and demand.

Also, selling at 1$ min will net you the best price based on supply/demand.

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by F-PRO
NEWBIE QUESTIONS
1) Do you need labour everytime you build something, or can you choose between labour, shields or a combination of both?

2) If a building costs 5 shields/labour, what does that mean? Does it mean either 5 shields or 1 labour, or 5 shields for every labour you use or something else?

They fuction in pairs shields are construction supplies but it takes 1 labor to utilize 1 shield. Technically a building's cost could be expressed in shields only, say a building costs 5 shields. But it will take 5 labor to hammer those 5 shields into place.

Having labor doesn't do you any good if you don't have the shields for them to build with. The shields just sit there collecting dust if you have no labor to hammer them into a building.

There are additional requirements that will come with Industrialization (machinery) and possibly later developments.

Originally posted by F-PRO
3) How long does it take for a building to complete?

However long it takes you to acquire the buildings shield cost and the labor to convert the shields into the building. Sometimes one turn, sometimes more.

Originally posted by F-PRO
4) Do you have to sell food through shoppes?

5) How is the amount of cash the government agent has determined?

6) Where can I see how much tax you have to pay?

4)Actually, you can't sell food through shoppes, that's commerce. All the retail businesses do is give you a bonus on your final sale price.

5) No one keeps track anymore, but the GA has a lot of money.

6) There are currently no taxes, but all taxes have to be approved by more than 50% of hte players.

Originally posted by F-PRO
7) When someone offers, say, $500 max for a labourer, and another one offers $400 max. The $500 max bidder wins the trade of course, but does he have to pay $401, $405, $500 or some other amount?

If someone offers to buy 1 labor at $500 max, that means they are willing to pay up to $500 for 1 labor. They get the lowest price necessary to buy the labor unless the price exceeds their max amount.

[Kloreep]

We captured 7 French workers and enslaved 3 more from former cities in the most recent turnchat, and also bought two English workers. Combined with the 8 French workers we captured the chat before that, there will be twenty vassals for auction next session.

I see an end to our labor shortages suddenly.

[F-PRO]

Thanks for the answers. I still have a question, though.

Originally posted by GhengisFarb
If someone offers to buy 1 labor at $500 max, that means they are willing to pay up to $500 for 1 labor. They get the lowest price necessary to buy the labor unless the price exceeds their max amount.

So does this means that someone who says: "hire 1 labor @ $500 max" in effect offers to hire a labourer at the price set by the D:S ratio, whatever that price turns out to be, unless it exceeds $500? And does this also mean that someone who simply offers to "hire 1 labor @ $500" will win the trade from the guy who offered to hire the labour at $500 max? (He would have to pay $500 for the labour, though - instead of the D:S price.)

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by F-PRO
Thanks for the answers. I still have a question, though.



So does this means that someone who says: "hire 1 labor @ $500 max" in effect offers to hire a labourer at the price set by the D:S ratio, whatever that price turns out to be, unless it exceeds $500? And does this also mean that someone who simply offers to "hire 1 labor @ $500" will win the trade from the guy who offered to hire the labour at $500 max? (He would have to pay $500 for the labour, though - instead of the D:S price.)

Yes, but they have both offered to hire labor at $500, one at the set price, one at the best price so if there isn't enough labor to fill both orders the first one who offered the $500 gets the labor.

[F-PRO]

I'm giving info on the $mini-game in the Ctp2 DG (hence the many questions). Is the thing I wrote about bidding correct? It's posted below.

BIDDING

When posting an offer, you can do so in the following format:

Sell 5 food @ $10

This means you offer to sell 5 food at $10 per piece. You can make two kinds of offers: the simple offer where you state a set amount of money, like in the example above, and an offer where you state the minimum amount of money you'd like to receive for the product, like this:

Sell 5 food @ $1 min

Now you offer 5 food and are prepared to sell them for as low as $1 per piece. If supply does not exceed demand at the end of the trade, you will be able to sell your items at the price set by the D:S ratio. If, however, supply does exceed demand and you were the lowest bidder, you will sell your items at the minimum price you offered. Consider the following situation:

Food Market
Demand = 15 | Supply = 12
D : S = 1.25 | Market price = 1.25 * $100 = $125

Your tiles provide you with 6 food, but you also own 5 food in a storehouse which isn't added to the supply side of the equation yet (only food from tiles and food which is actually being offered is added to the supply). You have an opponent who also has 6 food from his tiles.

You make the following offer:

Sell 6 food @ $1 min

Your opponent makes the following offer:

Sell 6 food @ $10

If the trade would now end, you would win, but since the supply does not exceed the demand you will sell your items for the market price ($125). Your opponent will also be able to sell all his food for the same price. However, the trade doesn't end yet, and you make an additional offer:

Sell 5 food @ $1 min (food from storehouse}

Now the trade ends. You win again, but since supply exceeds demand, you have to sell at your minimum offer, which is $1 per piece. You are offering in total 14 food, so you get to sell them all (demand = 15) and earn $14. There is one demand left to fill, and since your opponent is the only one offering he will sell one food and get $10. You won the trade and earned more, but your opponent only had to sell 1 food.

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by F-PRO

Code:

Sell 6 food @ $10

If the trade would now end, you would win, but since the supply does not exceed the demand you will sell your items for the market price ($125). Your opponent will also be able to sell all his food for the same price. However, the trade doesn't end yet, and you make an additional offer:

Code:

Sell 5 food @ $1 min (food from storehouse}

Now the trade ends. You win again, but since supply exceeds demand, you have to sell at your minimum offer, which is $1 per piece. You are offering in total 14 food, so you get to sell them all (demand = 15) and earn $14. There is one demand left to fill, and since your opponent is the only one offering he will sell one food and get $10. You won the trade and earned more, but your opponent only had to sell 1 food.[/size]

Actually, I would think the player who bid "sell at $1 min" would sell at $9 as that is enough to underbid anyone else.

[adaMada]

Ghengis -- did you see my post on the last page?

Originally posted by adaMada
Ghengis, looking over this, it all looks good -- but did you miss my last orders revision [building something new], or am I missing something? If you did, it'd change a lot, so it doesn't matter -- I'll just do it next turn.

-- adaMada

Again, if you missed it/it was too late to go in, I'm not concerned at all -- I'll just do it next turn . Having said that, I'll need to know for next turn, so thought I'd go ahead and get it out of the way now...

-- adaMada