Maniac: it would have been interesting if you had submitted yourself as a witness in the constitutional trial on Maki's behalf. why didn't you? why did you not mention that august poll until now.
TKG and Drogue: Happiness or easiness with a procedure doesn't make it constitutional.
First the Pande's poll was pre-mature (the discussions and ideas were still ongoing, see posting timetable)*, unofficial and incomplete (see below, many voters were unaware of the multi vote aspect), but understandable in its enthusiasm, in those heady days.
* Note De's recent postings on the hastiness of certain polls. Obviously a recurrent problem from early days.
Secondly, whatever its legitimacy then? it was all superceded by the adoption of the new UN constitution in early September 2002.
As the result of error (perhaps due to time pressure) the duties of the then Director of Base production were outlined in the same constitution but were clearly in conflict with the duties of the Alpha Talent /Commissioner.
Maki, with the of best intentions, tried a couple of times to speed up the naming issue. Unfortunately the
how issue had not been resolved. Hence where we are now.
Let me also say that the 5 justices elected by the citizens considered this complaint and decided there was a case to answer. So vox populi and individual opinions posted here don't count. If the posters wished to give testimony they should have submitted it through the proper channels, otherwise one has trial by press or posted opinion.
If that is the way citizens want to conduct affairs then why have a constitution or supreme court.
I too like 'easy to vote for' systems, but democracy is more than that.
Naming History and chronology
Darkness Edge 14-08-2002 10:22
City Names
When the time comes to begin, how are we going to name our cities?
I propose following the Civ3 system. The people agree on a name for the capital, then certain ministers get to name a city each, whatever they choose...
Andemagne 17-08-2002 02:18
my suggestion for naming cities: first base default, then every citizen can post one cityname and commissioner chooses from them. isn't this nice?
Andemagne 17-08-2002 02:22
The Name Thread
if my suggestion in this thread
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...549#post1217169
goes thru, every citizen can name ONE (1) of our Bases. post your suggestions here, and please keep this thread clean. and remember ONE name per Citizen. ****
****Note Pande interpreted this, as each citizen suggesting names for bases as opposed to each citizen getting to choose a name for a base (either his own suggestion or some other name suggested).
Pandemoniak 17-08-2002 02:37
Or the commissionner select 15 of them, and people vote ?
Andemagne 17-08-2002 02:39
quote:
Originally posted by Vlad Antlerkov
How about the names being randomly selected, instead of selected by the commish?
firm no. (of course you can suggest that but I won't)
I want to see disent base names, and hopefully commish is man for the job.
and how do you achieve that random factor? ask MarkG a number?
EDIT: and NO to Pandemoniak also
Pandemoniak 18 08 2002
Which method are we gonna use to name bases ?
1. The Commissioner names a base, then the Alpha Talent names a base, and so on according to hierarchy in government.
2. Citizen post one (or several) name and the Commissionner choose among them.
3. Citizen post one (or several) name, Commisionner chooses n of them, and then Citizen votes for the base name.
4. Each Citizen post one (or several) name, and it is randomly choosen among all.
Hey, guys, this poll allows mutliple votes...
Ans thanx Lemmy for explaining what I had trouble to do
I voted 3 but would also be happy with 4.. ;=)
Saw too late its multiple Arrgghh me
Result by 58%
3. Citizen post one (or several) name, Commisionner chooses n of them, and then Citizen votes for the base name.
What happen here was that Pande jumped in with a poll of 4 options before the discussions on the issue were complete (echos of recent region name poll from limited selection, ignoring advice of Commissioner and others on hastiness).
As happens all too frequently here on planet , someone posts an ill considered poll. After some voting, common sense prevails and DE or other Dir asks that the poll be stopped. However some citizens continue to vote and then the poll setter or some other Dir/Gov looking for guidance regards the result as valid.
What follows is my submission to the UN Supreme Court on the naming problem.
UN Constitution 2 09 2002
Base Names:
The alpha talent or the commissioner will pick 5 names from the name thread and will put them in a poll where a name for a new city can be chosen. This poll has to be open for at least 2 days. The name with the most votes will be chosen for the base and will be scraped from the list. The same counts for landmarks. If someone wants to name a place without a landmark a poll has started about giving it a name or not. This poll will also have minimum of 2 days.
Constitution on duties the DofPB [quote Posting polls on how our bases should be named[/quote]
What you have done and it's ok for now obviously, is 'Posting polls on what our bases should be named not how our bases should be named. There is a difference.
Anyhow whatever the interpretation, the constitution needs updating to delete that part of the constitution in part 11, that I referred to earlier about ' Alpha talent ...5 base names'. The two parts could be viewed as in conflict.
Secondly you might finalise the discussion on how to name bases by a poll: You will recall the thread started by Andemagne. There were a number ways proposed:
1. (As you organised above) all names listed and all citizens have the opportunity to vote
2. Every regular and active citizen to have a base name of their choice.
3. Variations of 2
So is it too much to ask for some agreed simple polls on How to name? See earlier posts.
Rather than argue with the Supreme Court why doesn't the DIA just start a poll based on my guidelines (subject to amendments improvements and suggestions within the guidelines).
Pick 5 Base Name Lotto 
