Gibraltar - 99% say "NO!" to Spain. - Page 5

Dr. Nick · November 8, 2002, 22:46

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Ignoring any legal claims, as both side can believe what they want, the only logical thing to do is to let the people of the island decide what to do. At last count almost no-one wanted to be ruled by Argentina

But there are no people on the Malvinas! It's a well known fact that they are all hellspawn, and failed special services experiments sent there to rot, brainwashed by Conservative propaganda! It's not fair like that!

Drake Tungsten · November 8, 2002, 22:46

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The Gallipoli seems to verify that

There were no Americans at Gallipoli, my swarthy little friend. Save that troll for some of our Aussie posters...

Bereta_Eder · November 8, 2002, 22:48

You are pretty much the same though, aren't you?

Still that doesn't deny what I said.

Besides, there's also Cuba and Korea... tough little bastards too?

Drake Tungsten · November 8, 2002, 22:55

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Besides, there's also Cuba and Korea... tough little bastards too?

Americans didn't fight in Cuba. The Bay of Pigs was carried out by exiled Cubans, not Americans. It was a unmemorable battle between two horrible forces, kind of like the Peloponnesian War.

In Korea, we kicked the **** out of the North Koreans. It took millions of Chinese to push our mighty armies back. And we still completed our main objective. America rulz!

Bereta_Eder · November 8, 2002, 22:56

Hmm debatable these arguments. What I meant is that there is N. Korea and Cuba with Castro. Or Sadam.

But say, where's Osama Binnie?

Drake Tungsten · November 8, 2002, 23:02

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But say, where's Osama Binnie?

I'm guessing the SAS caught him months ago and are interrogating him right now, so he's probably in England along with the Elgin Marbles. I hope the British hold on to them both for a long time.

Bereta_Eder · November 8, 2002, 23:04

Funny noone saw fit to inform the world then...

I'd guess our marbles are all that they have.

BTW, do you often have snipers shooting down people for no reason?

Drake Tungsten · November 8, 2002, 23:11

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BTW, do you often have snipers shooting down people for no reason?

At least our domestic terrorists get the job done. Are Greeks really so hapless a people that November 17th is the best your terrrorism gets? No wonder you guys needed British (and Russian and French) help throwing out the Turks. Helped by the French? What a sad little country...

Urban Ranger · November 8, 2002, 23:35

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Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
In Korea, we kicked the **** out of the North Koreans. It took millions of Chinese to push our mighty armies back.

Which, by the end of the war, outnumbered the Chinese.

Drake Tungsten · November 8, 2002, 23:39

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Which, by the end of the war, outnumbered the Chinese.

There would've been a hell of a lot more Chinese if you guys had known anything about tactics. Human wave attacks aren't the best use of manpower...

Bereta_Eder · November 8, 2002, 23:55

Well you needed french help too to get your independence and you were like one bazilion times larger than us

But you are right. Your terrorism is no match for ours. 17N only killed 22 people whereas in the US...

But I was wondering, do you count school shootings as terrorism? I don't think the sniper is your only problem...

Drake Tungsten · November 9, 2002, 03:30

Sorry I left our trolling session, Paiktis, but I had some social occasions to attend. We'll have to continue this at a later date...

By the way, I'm happy to see that you found the obvious Revolutionary War rebuttal. You have talent, there's no doubt about that. You may give Alexander's Horse a run for his money if you train hard enough.

Bereta_Eder · November 9, 2002, 03:31

He was my teacher

Drake Tungsten · November 9, 2002, 03:34

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Originally posted by paiktis22
He was my teacher

Sikander · November 9, 2002, 06:50

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Originally posted by Urban Ranger

Which, by the end of the war, outnumbered the Chinese.

Only those still alive.

Urban Ranger · November 9, 2002, 08:06

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Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

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Which, by the end of the war, outnumbered the Chinese.

There would've been a hell of a lot more Chinese if you guys had known anything about tactics. Human wave attacks aren't the best use of manpower...

Yeah, sure

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From official Chinese sources, PVA casualty during the Korean war was 390,000. It breaks down as follows:
KIA: 110,400
DIED OF WOUNDS: 21,600
DIED OF SICKNESS: 13,000
CAPTURED & MISSING: 25,600
WOUNDED: 260,000

Provost Harrison · November 9, 2002, 08:13

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Originally posted by paiktis22
Germany. And not only in WW2

Erm, we actually won WW2

So come on then paiktis, which wars have we lost in recent time? By all accounts, we same to have almost a clean sheet

Oh yeah, there were those pesky Normans I suppose almost 1000 years ago

Dr. Nick · November 9, 2002, 13:10

The reason why Britain hasn't lost a war since the Hundred Years Was is because the prerequisite for any British campaign is that the enemy be armed with sharp pieces of fruit. Even spears made them think twice.

Provost Harrison · November 9, 2002, 23:36

But lets face it, the hundred year war was just effectively a draw, because we got pushed out of territory we occupied during that war. In reality, it was effectively a draw...

Seneca · November 9, 2002, 23:43

Shouldn't Britain itself have a referendum on whether we want to continue subsidising these tax-dodging Mail-readers?

Surely the true test of Britishness is actually bothering to live here?

chequita guevara · November 9, 2002, 23:43

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Originally posted by El Awrence
The reason why Britain hasn't lost a war since the Hundred Years Was is because the prerequisite for any British campaign is that the enemy be armed with sharp pieces of fruit. Even spears made them think twice.

They lost the American Revolution. IIRC, they lost the Crimean War as well (but were able to keep the Russians from completely crushing the Ottomans). They were on the loosing side in the War of Austrian Succession as well.

Ramo · November 10, 2002, 00:08

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But lets face it, the hundred year war was just effectively a draw, because we got pushed out of territory we occupied during that war. In reality, it was effectively a draw...

England controlled Aquitaine before the Hundred Years War. In fact, that's the reason the war started; England didn't want to pay homage to France for owning the duchy of Acquitaine.

chequita guevara · November 10, 2002, 00:48

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England controlled Aquitaine before the Hundred Years War. In fact, that's the reason the war started; England didn't want to pay homage to France for owning the duchy of Acquitaine.

There were two, "hundred-year wars," BTW. The first was started over Duchy of Aquitane (as well as Normany, Brittany, etc.).

The second (the one generally refered to as The Hundred Year War) started when the Capetian line of France died out, and Edward III asserted his claim on the basis of his mother, a French princess. France claimed Salic law denied decent through the woman, and handed the throne off to another line (whose name escapes me at the moment). Despite several English victories, the French nobles refused to accept an English king, even replacing one king with his son and refusing to pay his ransom after he was acptured.

Ramo · November 10, 2002, 00:54

I'm referring to the second one. It's true that dynastic succession played a major part of it, but it initially boiled down the Aquitaine. It was siezed by Philip as his fief (which was the conclusion of the previous war), and the "hundred years war" started.

molly bloom · November 10, 2002, 01:59

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Originally posted by chegitz guevara

They lost the American Revolution. IIRC, they lost the Crimean War as well (but were able to keep the Russians from completely crushing the Ottomans). They were on the loosing side in the War of Austrian Succession as well.

Not quite, old bean. The British, French, Turks and Piedmontese won the Crimean War. Russia reclaimed the strategic naval base of Sevastopol which had fallen to the allies, and the Ottoman Empire received in return Kars, which had fallen to the Russians. Russian losses came to approx. 600 000 including non-combatants. Russia was denied the outlet to the Mediterranean and the defeat was laid at the door of the Czar and his bellicose conservative ministers.

See: http://www.crimeanwar.org

As for the War of Austrian Succession, the British Empire profited quite nicely from that- although its ally, Austria, ceded Silesia and Glaunitz to Prussia, Great Britain was confirmed in its privilege of trading slaves to the Spanish Empire, confirmed in its favoured nation trading status with the Spanish overseas provinces, and the Protestant Succession to the throne was also recognised- so no more Jacobite uprisings sponsored by the French. The Spanish Infante picked up three or so duchies in Italy, but commercially and strategically, the British were better off by the 1748 settlement of Aix-la-Chappelle.

Dr. Nick · November 10, 2002, 21:40

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But lets face it, the hundred year war was just effectively a draw, because we got pushed out of territory we occupied during that war. In reality, it was effectively a draw

Aquitaine *COUGH COUGH*

Lars-E · November 10, 2002, 23:33

Were the Malvinas inhabited by Indians before the British sailed by and claimed it in the name of the King and God and Indians?

I can understand the Gibraltarians. Spaniards and descendants in Argentina - take your hands off!

And Hong Kong - it was agreed. 1997. But disgusting like eminem so eloquently puts it.

What's the situation for Macau and other 'colonies' around the world I wonder...

BTW, English breakfast sounds like the breakfast I'd like to have NOW. I am hungry too, but I don't live in Britain so I guess not... American breakfast #2. Continental breakfast #3 just cos it sounds cool. Nothing cool about it though.

Gangerolf · November 11, 2002, 07:43

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From official Chinese sources

ahh

why would anyone believe anything they say

Gangerolf · November 11, 2002, 07:54

spain: keep your filthy little hands off gibraltar. it doesn't belong to you.

anyway it's not fair to claim gibraltar as long as you have ceuta and melilla you hypocrits.

you'll have to find other ways to humiliate the gringos.

Jack the Bodiless · November 11, 2002, 08:29

Well, at least nobody here has yet tried the "Ceuta was never a part of the Kingdom of Morocco" argument.

Gibraltar has never been a part of the modern democratic republic of Spain either.