Peacekeeper Military Front

GeneralTacticus · November 13, 2002, 20:13

Citizens! I am here today to anounce the formation of a new political pressure group: the Peacekeeper Military Front, an organization dedicated to increasing the military strength of the United Nations.

Our brief war with Zakharov, our recent discovery of a hostile Human Hive, and our impending economic clash with our neighbour Morgan Industries are all indicative of a growing threat to our faction. No longer can can we allow our great nation to be defended by nothing more than scout patrols and police forces. We must immediately begin a military buildup for the purposes of defending our faction.

Moreover, our industrial development has reached a stage at which we can create armies virtually from scratch with ease. A mere few turns of production in our core bases should be enough to create a formidable miitary force, without any great delay in infrastructural development.

Defend the UN, join the PMF!

Method · November 13, 2002, 21:37

uhm, NGO?

GeneralTacticus · November 13, 2002, 21:38

No. It's a political pressure group with an actual agenda, not a discussion area.

Method · November 13, 2002, 21:41

uhm, ok.

screaming loudly in the command nexus isn't enough?

GeneralTacticus · November 13, 2002, 22:02

No, it's not.

Nubclear · November 13, 2002, 22:02

Expose this group for what it really is: A POLITICAL PARTY!!

All the peoples of the Peacekeeping Faction are united in their opposition of petty political parties!

GeneralTacticus · November 13, 2002, 22:04

Maniac · November 14, 2002, 08:25

/me writes graffiti on the PMF HQ walls: "We must dissent." and runs away.

Pandemoniak · November 14, 2002, 08:50

Give peas a chance !

Kassiopeia · November 14, 2002, 08:58

/me eats the peas

Method · November 14, 2002, 17:56

@everything

GeneralTacticus · November 14, 2002, 21:08

GeneralTacticus · November 14, 2002, 23:24

Okay, now can we have some debate about the actual aims of this (1 member) group, namely, a military buildup?

EDIT: 1 member

Drogue · November 15, 2002, 07:15

Or not having a military buildup, as the case may be

AdamTG02 · November 15, 2002, 10:49

My opinion is that, while a military buildup is not necessarily a bad idea, it should be done with a specific goal in mind. Specificaly, to be ready to fight the Hive when and if Yang turns on us. To this end, I propose we infiltrate Yang's datalinks as fast as possible, and prepare battle plans to seize the Command Nexus quckly and hold it. If we can accomplish this objective, our industry will propel us to victory in any war.

I still think that our priority at this point should be Secret Projects, specifically the Empath Guild, or if that's not feasible (Zakh won't trade Empathy), then the Citizen's Defense Force. Both of these have important military implications, as does the Planetary Transit System we are now building in New Suez.

In short, my first priority is Secret Projects. My second priority is expansion into unsettled territory. My third priority will be military buildup, and it is third because I think each of the preceding goals will be an asset to our long-run military, as well as civilian, efforts.

lucky22 · November 15, 2002, 13:12

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Originally posted by AdamTG02
My opinion is that, while a military buildup is not necessarily a bad idea, it should be done with a specific goal in mind. Specificaly, to be ready to fight the Hive when and if Yang turns on us. To this end, I propose we infiltrate Yang's datalinks as fast as possible, and prepare battle plans to seize the Command Nexus quckly and hold it.

For now, that means the same preparations we made for the University- probes.

Drogue · November 15, 2002, 14:21

I think Adam's exactly right, although I think infrastructure and citizen facilities need a high priority too.

Probes, infrastructure and SPs now, military (if it's needed) later.

GeneralTacticus · November 15, 2002, 20:47

I agree we should continue to build up probes and SPs, but we really need to get off our behinds and start building a military too - how much longer can we go on without an effective army? We can't keep Morgan happy with tech trades forever, and we're going to need to fight the Hive at some point too.

As for grabbing the Command Nexus: HELL YES! If we find the base that has it on a coast, then Mind Controlling that base (and garrisoning it) should be priority #1 after infiltration.

Aaron Blackwell · November 20, 2002, 11:30

As far as military goes,

I guess that we should accomplish two objectives in the short term :

- Infiltrate all the other factions.

- Prototype and upgrade defense garrison ( Attack 1 - Defense : Max infantry with perharps 1/2 special abilities).

But frankly, we can no go over like this. Just Keeping scout infantry and rover will do us no good should we get attacked.

Maybe we could upgrade a few of our infantry garrison ?

Earwicker · November 20, 2002, 12:26

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Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
As for grabbing the Command Nexus: HELL YES! If we find the base that has it on a coast, then Mind Controlling that base (and garrisoning it) should be priority #1 after infiltration.

I think mind-controlling the CN base is an excellent idea, for several reasons:

our military is nowhere near readiness for this sort of invasion
siezing the CN will help greatly in preparing our military might
instant garrison
we might then acquire prototyped gatling/ plasma units in the process

This strategy has as-yet-unmentioned ramifications that carry over into the SE discussions of wealth vs. knowledge. First, we will need a huge quantity of energy to mind-control a decent sized base (a wealth+GA bonus to energy reserves would be tremendously helpful in that regard). Secondly, the probe penalty of knowledge would make the siezure of the base more expensive.

Aaron Blackwell · November 20, 2002, 12:29

By the way, where is the Command Nexus located ?

If it is in their headquarters,no mind control will be possible.

Earwicker · November 20, 2002, 12:50

Rats! Never mind:

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It's at The Hive; you can see that from the F5 screen.

So much for that. Still, the mind-control siezure of their southernmost coastal base (for the right price, of course, and with adequate defensive probe support) would be a good jumping-off point for an offensive against their headquarters.

Drogue · November 20, 2002, 13:01

I'd rather Pact Zak and attack from his bases, with a few rovers landed a square away from the Hive to try and take it, if it's not *too* heavily guarded. Lets probe him quickly, then we can switch to Knowledge to help our military in its build up.

GeneralTacticus · November 21, 2002, 02:12

I've said it before and I'll say it again: it would be lunacy to get Zakh involved at this time. Yang would eat him for lunch, and all it would achieve would be to make him stronger.

Drogue · November 21, 2002, 08:18

Yes, I completely agree GT. I don't think we should get Zak to declare war on the Hive, just to Pact us and make our invasion easier. But hopefully that's a little way off, and Zak mau well be stronger by then (especially if we give/trade techs with him)

Earwicker · November 21, 2002, 09:31

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Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
I've said it before and I'll say it again: it would be lunacy to get Zakh involved at this time. Yang would eat him for lunch, and all it would achieve would be to make him stronger.

I totally agree that the time is not right for involving Zak in this vendetta. He is weak and close to the Hive, while we are weak and too far away to help at the moment.

However, when we are in a position to invade Hive territory, it will be helpful to have Zak's bases as a mobilizing point and as a diversion of Yang's forces. It will then be too late for Yang to overrun the University, since we'll be busy overrunning the Hive.

Kirov · November 22, 2002, 17:00

We can't trade any techs to Zak, because he would then trade them to Yang...

GeneralTacticus · November 22, 2002, 20:39

That's why we've always voted 'don't trade away important techs'.

Main_Brain · November 23, 2002, 08:59

If Yang attacks Zak then most of his Offensive Forces will be away form his Homebases...
Best we make Zak declare on Yang then switch Allianges and take our Slice of Zak.
Zak has to be killed anyway so..

Drogue · November 23, 2002, 15:26

But we are Peacekeepers!!!

How can we justify turning on our ally? Besides, if Zak is allowed to take his slice of Yang (our natural enemy) he will make an excellent tech trading partner later in the game.