does "take this deal or suffer" ever work?

Minmaster · November 22, 2002, 19:13

i have problem demanding tributes from AI as the AI does to humans like when they threaten to declare war unless u give them territory map and 100 gold. so when i demand something from the AI even just a map, they never want to give, and i click "take this deal or suffer" repeatedly and they just get real furious but never give it up. also, i ve heard if u keep clicking "take this deal or suffer" u can get them to declare war but no matter how many times i click it they never declare war but just get more angry with me. what is the purpose of this diplomacy choice if it never does anything?

Kingof the Apes · November 22, 2002, 19:28

It has worked for me. However, when it worked I was intentionally trying to piss them off, and was surprised that they agreed.

I think it depends on how big your military is in proportion to thiers, tech difference, etc.

So basically it only works well (at all) with vassal states.

lateralis · November 22, 2002, 20:03

Just like you Kingof the apes, I tried it only to piss-off the AI and try and start a war without having to be the aggressor. I was quite surprised when they gave it to me! I was playing on marla's world map and had started in europe with many close neighbors, 2 of whom I had knocked out by taking the capitol INCREDIBLY early which gave me a huge advantage early (playing on regent). My military, land, and tech ourpaced greece when I demanded tribute. they were in my way too and since I really wanted them to get pissed and declare war, I was kinda bummed when they caved.

Of course I declared war right away anyhow and wiped them up.

try taking a big stack of your guys and putting them within view of the enemy. ie, not within their cultural border, but next to a city that hasn't grown yet. The AI will see you massing up troops and maybe think twice before telling you to go f

k yourself. if their millitary is way bigger than yours (your advisor says "compared to them, our millitary is weak") don't even think about it.

hope this helps

lateralis

Mad Bomber · November 23, 2002, 02:06

Concur with previous posters, it works but you must be spoling for a fight and have a superior military to theirs.

NeoStar · November 23, 2002, 02:52

Aah, so that's how it works. It happened once before but I couldn't remember why...

They usually are stubborn to the bitter end.

ChrisiusMaximus · November 23, 2002, 06:53

Especially the Persians!

Tiberius · November 23, 2002, 08:13

Quote:

Originally posted by Kingof the Apes
It has worked for me. However, when it worked I was intentionally trying to piss them off, and was surprised that they agreed.

Yeah, this is exactly when it works: when you don't want it to work

Panag · November 23, 2002, 15:05

hi ,

it works , but the AI has a long memory , dont forget that , .....

have a nice day

Alex · November 24, 2002, 10:16

In a recent game, I was the aztecs and decided to take out the French. They were in an island south of my continent. My military advisor said that my army was bigger than theirs. I amassed a great number of troops and a put them in a lot of boats. My D-Day was ready to start. But I had to make them declare war on me first. I demanded tribute or else... And they accepted it!

As the other poster said, I declared war on them anyway and wiped their puny empire up.

Konquest02 · November 24, 2002, 11:45

I only use it when the AI has troops in my territory and I want to get into a war with them. I ask them ridiculous demands over and over, until they are furious, then ask them to leave my territory. 2 times out of 3, they will declare war on me, just as I intended!

--Kon--