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View Poll Results: Do we need international regulations?
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Yeah man, like those we have in RL perhaps.
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No way man, I love to sneak attack those pests!
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Astrain. Uh, I dunno understand whadda innterational relugation is
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November 28, 2002, 20:03
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King
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International Waters.
Hi, how does this game treat international waters?
Currently anyone can mass a huge navy on one side of the other, and he does not have to leave the waters by international regulations. Same applies to uncolonized wasteland...
Well do we need to make international rules for nomansland,
or should we just have it the anachy/coldwar way? 
( It's just a unofficial survey and discussion,
so I set the timer on two weeks. )
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Last edited by ThePlagueRat; November 28, 2002 at 20:11.
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November 28, 2002, 20:20
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King
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Any international regulation would have to be written up by an international committee, ala League of Nations/United Nations, etc. Otherwise there really are no rules for this kind of thing. Besides, without a United Nations assembly, how would this kind of thing be enforced?
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November 28, 2002, 20:30
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Hope we don't have to wait until someone builds the UN wonder. In, let's say... perhaps ten years in RL (!!!)
Ok, but that is a typical in-game thing.
Sooner or later...
A collection of statesmen, ambassadors, travellers and diplomats will meet eventually. ( perhaps early in the game)
Then perhaps such a board is needed already?
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November 29, 2002, 02:01
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It should be interesting to see whether the idea of UN would work in our game. Even if there was a international laws passed by a UN like system, if majority of teams simply choose to ignore it or make their own local rules between each civs, it will be useless.
If there is no standardized law, most likely teams will have to settle among themselves about unclaimed disputed land/sea. And that doesnt mean it cant be solved in peaceful diplomatic way just because there is no international law.
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November 29, 2002, 03:38
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The law should be game rules. Your civ border goes out into the sea/ocean. Those are not International waters. they are part of your country. Beyond that is international waters. Anyone can go there.
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November 29, 2002, 05:44
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Originally posted by donegeal
The law should be game rules. Your civ border goes out into the sea/ocean. Those are not International waters. they are part of your country. Beyond that is international waters. Anyone can go there.
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I agree, let's not make this game any more complicated than it already is.
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November 29, 2002, 06:41
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Agree with donegeal, voted NO.
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November 29, 2002, 18:43
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Perhaps it will just evolve with experience instead then?
For example when someone are feeling the threat from
30 foreign ships (perhaps w/land units aboard) right ouside their local waters. Then they will perhaps try to make an agreement with the other nations to get that threat away. So they all agree,
and demand removal?
In this way perhaps international laws will evolve as it did in RL.....
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November 29, 2002, 21:28
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I agree with donegeal.
It just becomes a point of diplomacy during the game.
Mss
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December 5, 2002, 18:10
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If we have national waters, then galleys would be useless, so I voted no.
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December 5, 2002, 18:32
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Later, we can perhaps initiate an OSCB instead...
(Organization of Security and Cooperation on Bob)
Anyone that wishes can join the OCSB and make som great roleplay there, regardless of team membership...
It would make great international roleplay when conflicts arrives...
Just as in RL, where OSCE cannot actually force any nation to agreements, but merely does a lot of talking. 
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December 5, 2002, 18:58
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How, exactly, could this be enforced even if it were enacted? IT is the dawn of civilization itself and no tribe (to my knowledge) has contacted any other tribe.
International agreements on limiting ingame behavior regarding naval movements are territorial rights are several MILLENNIA off.
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December 5, 2002, 19:00
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Originally posted by realpolitic
If we have national waters, then galleys would be useless, so I voted no.
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What exactly do you mean? How would they become useless?
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December 5, 2002, 19:36
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Good replies folks,
I also agree it's not neccessary to discuss this yet.
If we one day (perhaps in 10 years RL-time) open up an OSCB-thread, then international waters might be an issue...
I was moving a bit too quick here.  Sorry chaps!
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December 5, 2002, 19:37
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I'm guessing he said that because galleys can only sail on coastal tiles, before the necessary techs are discovered.
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December 6, 2002, 04:02
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Good point about those galleys.
Maybe this should be decided between the civs themselves and not in an international agreement.
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December 12, 2002, 15:26
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Well, it's not like you can demand someone leave in PBEM anyways...
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