Regarding the Blacklist

klesh · November 24, 2002, 02:24

Name: Field Marshal Klesh
Date caught: November 24th, 2002
Link: The Struggle for Europe PBEM
Comments: He admits to willingly playing his turns multiple times to guarentee the best results. He can be seen kicking arse all about the Ostfront. Though an evildoer at heart, he promises not to do it again.

winterfritz · November 24, 2002, 03:05

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Originally posted by Field Marshal Klesh
Name: Field Marshal Klesh
Date caught: November 24th, 2002
Link: The Struggle for Europe PBEM
Comments: He admits to willingly playing his turns multiple times to guarentee the best results. He can be seen kicking arse all about the Ostfront. Though an evildoer at heart, he promises not to do it again.

I don't actually think this can be classified as cheating; its part of the way a pbem works. Having a day or whatever to play your turn in gives you the chance to try out a number of things to see what will work best, and theres really no way anyone can stop you from doing this. The situation is kind of like in postal chess; theres nothing stopping you from getting out a book on master chess and using it to help; its part of the way the game is played.

The only reason I never do what FMK did is because I'm too lazy to sit and play one turn over and over again to get the best of all possible results

Darius871 · November 24, 2002, 08:57

For God's sake man you didn't have to put yourself on the list, at least for a debatable issue like this. All I meant was that we shouldn't do it from now on, not that anyone that has (apparently a lot more people than I had imagined) is a cheater.

conmcb25 · November 28, 2002, 20:40

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Originally posted by Case
Thunderfall says that he's also a DL of 'The Palladin'. He's now been perma-baned on CFC.

I wonder if the Overlord is someone here..........

Makes you wonder dont it?

techumseh · November 28, 2002, 23:42

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Originally posted by conmcb25

I wonder if the Overlord is someone here..........

Makes you wonder dont it?

Ahh, paranoia. The handmaiden of blacklists.

Alexander's Horse · November 29, 2002, 00:29

Er how do you prove someone cheated in a PBEM game?

Case · November 29, 2002, 00:49

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Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
Er how do you prove someone cheated in a PBEM game?

You get a neutral individual to look at their saves, and check whether everything is normal. If not [ie, cities ar strangely remaining out of disorder, or vast numbers of units are appearing out of nowhere] and the player concerned can't explain themselves, then they're cheating.

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Originally posted by techumseh
Ahh, paranoia. The handmaiden of blacklists.

I think that it's time for a good old-fashioned witch hunt

Choke · November 29, 2002, 01:03

That means that someone could reveal the map or change diplomatic situations between enemies without it being able to be proved.

Case · November 29, 2002, 01:25

Artifically changing diplomatic situations would be extreamly easy to detect.

Choke · November 29, 2002, 01:29

What is the point in passwords?

Alexander's Horse · November 29, 2002, 01:30

I was thinking more about the suitcase nuke scenario.

Case · November 29, 2002, 02:44

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Originally posted by Choke
What is the point in passwords?

They make it harder for people to look at your saves, and prevent honest players from accidently loading your turns (don't laugh - I often load the civ in the same position on the 'chose your civ' list as in the last PBEM game I loaded

)

Choke · November 29, 2002, 03:09

Oh, ok because it's so easy to bypass them that I wondered.

klesh · November 29, 2002, 12:41

Its not really that easy to bypass. It is, but it is also very easy to see when passwords have been bypassed by others.

-FMK.

Choke · November 29, 2002, 22:09

edit

techumseh · November 29, 2002, 22:53

If we really want to stamp out cheating, I'd strongly recommend against turning this into a how-to thread.

Choke · November 29, 2002, 23:06

Ok, I'll edit the post, I just think it's really hard to prove cheating of many types and anyone with half a brain that wants to cheat will probably get away with it. Which brings me back to my idea of perma-banning cheaters. The harsher the penalty the less likely the crime is to be committed.