Who would you like to see as President of the US of E?

[Seneca]

Gordon Brown. He looks like he knows what he's doing.

[Az]

Whoosie...

*points to paiktis*

He happened! That's what!

ahh, It's good to know that noone noticed that I started it all, by trolling paiktis.

[Bereta_Eder]

ts, ts, ts... wanting to take all the glory

It belongs solely to Dinodoc.

[Az]

I was the one to spot your carcass. The other voltures are just... side efects.

[Bereta_Eder]

Nope. Sorry

No matter how much you seem to want the honour what got me in the mood (besides my will for some late evening ass kicking) was Dinodoc's post. The perfect pretext

[Bereta_Eder]

BTW I was serious that Constantine Simitis will become the first president of the EU....

Simitis... remember that name...

He has a LOT of chances.

[Zopperoni]

Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin
Assuming Europe became a federal superstate and the Prez had political powers such as in America, who would you want as the first President?

Jeremy Clarkson.

[Az]

yep Dinodoc is good. and BG was great as well. But I saw the potential.

[Bereta_Eder]

It's crap though. A dozen against one.
I just focused on my favorites and got the UN to disperse the casuals.

[Az]

But they're the rubbish pelting monkeys, While I am one of the beasts. ( Zola trial caricature reference )

[Bereta_Eder]

BTW I was also serious that Greece is all and all the rest is crap.

Take medical care for example:


Western Europe ranks as world's healthiest region

By Zosia Kmietowicz

LONDON, Mar 25 (Reuters Health) - Western Europe is the healthiest region in the world, new rankings of health systems show. But the survey, which places the US and UK relatively low, suggests that spending a lot of money is not enough to guarantee high standards of health.

The survey of the health status of people in 175 countries, released on Monday, ranked nine Western European countries in its top 10, with Belgium heading the list followed by Iceland, the Netherlands, France, Switzerland, Austria, Sweden, Italy and Norway.

Australia is the highest placed non-Western European country in the list, in joint tenth place with Germany and Denmark. The United States was ranked 17th, just behind Israel, while the UK came in 23rd place, after Greece.

The index measured the health status of individuals by looking at the amount each country spent on its people's health and at health indicators including life expectancy, infant immunisation rates and death rates of mothers and babies. It was developed by World Markets Research Centre, a company that analyses businesses.

Countries from sub-Saharan Africa dominated the end of the list, with Sierra Leone in 175th place.

Many of these nations have the lowest expenditures on healthcare and carry the heaviest burden of communicable diseases, with rural communities often having no access to healthcare at all, the survey shows.

But devoting a large proportion of gross domestic product (GDP) to healthcare does not guarantee a nation's health, according to the researchers.

"Interestingly, those countries with the highest healthcare expenditure are not necessarily the healthiest," Michelle Perkins, who led the research, told Reuters Health.

"The main reason for this is that they tend to adopt a 'we can buy the cure' attitude, as opposed to concentrating on preventing the ailment in the first instance. The prime example of this is the US, where the vast amounts of cash injected into the latest drug developments and pharmaceutical technology fail to be reflected in the overall health of the nation."

The US spends 13.1% of its GDP--or $4,180 annually per capita--on health, compared to Belgium's 8.9% ($2,172), the figures show. The UK's National Health Service spends 7% of GDP, or $1,532 per capita, on health.

Andy Bell, a spokesperson for the King's Fund, an independent health service think tank in the UK, stressed that when comparing different countries' healthcare systems it is important to look closely at the elements they are ranked on.

Elements such as access to healthcare, efficiency, fairness, quality and choice may be weighted in a way that not everyone would agree with, Bell told Reuters Health.

"Ultimately the elements that a healthcare system is based on is about political desires and you have to take these into account when looking at the outcomes of a survey. For example, in terms of fairness of financing the UK is probably the best healthcare system in the world, but in other respects it is outranked by other countries," he commented.

"We cannot comment on the robustness of the present survey, but a comparison of the healthcare systems of countries is something worth doing because it is important for countries to see what others are doing."



oooohhh

Anyway, no time for a trollfest, time for my beauty saturday siesta leasure sleep.

(i'm such a lazy bastard)

[Bereta_Eder]

Ok just one more for US and Israel since I left them out and I go.

Health care quality - World ranking

1 Oman
2 Malta
3 Italy
4 France
5 San Marino
6 Spain
7 Andorra
8 Jamaica
9 Japan
10 Saudi Arabia
11 Greece


search for the rest down the list


12 Monaco
13 Portugal
14 Singapore
15 Austria
16 United Arab Emirates
17 Morocco
18 Norway
19 Netherlands
20 Solomon Islands
21 Sweden
22 Cyprus
23 Chile
24 United Kingdom
25 Costa Rica
26 Switzerland
27 Iceland
28 Belgium
29 Venezuela, Bolivarian Republic of
30 Bahrain
31 Luxembourg
32 Ireland
33 Turkey
34 Belize
35 Canada
36 Cuba
37 El Salvador
38 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
39 Australia
40 Israel
41 Germany
42 Dominican Republic
43 Egypt
44 Finland
45 Algeria
46 Tunisia
47 Yugoslavia
48 Honduras
49 Grenada
50 Uruguay
51 Colombia
52 Paraguay
53 Qatar
54 Saint Lucia
55 Cape Verde
56 Armenia
57 Croatia
58 Iran, Islamic Republic of
59 Dominica
60 Azerbaijan
61 China
62 Slovenia
63 Mexico
64 Albania
65 Denmark
66 Sri Lanka
67 Panama
68 Kuwait
69 The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia
70 Bosnia and Herzegovina
71 Argentina
72 United States of America
73 Bhutan
74 Nicaragua
75 Iraq
76 Brunei Darussalam
77 Suriname
78 Brazil
79 Trinidad and Tobago
80 New Zealand
81 Czech Republic
82 Yemen
83 Seychelles
84 Georgia
85 Pakistan
86 Malaysia
87 Barbados
88 Slovakia
89 Poland
90 Indonesia
91 Syrian Arab Republic
92 Bulgaria
93 Lithuania
94 Libyan Arab Jamahiriya
95 Cook Islands
96 Ecuador
97 Lebanon
98 Nepal
99 Guatemala
100 Jordan
101 Ukraine
102 Thailand
103 Bangladesh
104 Guyana
105 Hungary
106 Republic of Moldova
107 Republic of Korea
108 Niue
109 Gambia
110 Micronesia, Federated States of
111 Romania
112 Uzbekistan
113 Mauritius
114 Tonga
115 Estonia
116 Belarus
117 Sao Tome and Principe
118 India
119 Peru
120 Vanuatu
121 Latvia
122 Saint Kitts and Nevis
123 Antigua and Barbuda
124 Fiji
125 Palau
126 Philippines
127 Russian Federation
128 Tuvalu
129 Myanmar
130 Viet Nam
131 Samoa
132 Senegal
133 Côte d'Ivoire
134 Kyrgyzstan
135 Kazakhstan
136 Benin
137 Bahamas
138 Mongolia
139 Haiti
140 Marshall Islands
141 Comoros
142 Bolivia
143 Gabon
144 Kiribati
145 Tajikistan
146 Papua New Guinea
147 Maldives
148 Eritrea
149 Sudan
150 Afghanistan
151 Mauritania
152 Turkmenistan
153 Democratic People's Republic of Korea
154 Somalia
155 Lao People's Democratic Republic
156 Guinea-Bissau
157 Cambodia
158 Ghana
159 Togo
160 Guinea
161 Chad
162 Burkina Faso
163 Djibouti
164 Central African Republic
165 Angola
166 Nauru
167 Congo
168 Mozambique
169 Ethiopia
170 Mali
171 Burundi
172 Cameroon
173 Madagascar
174 Equatorial Guinea
175 Nigeria
176 Liberia
177 Niger
178 Kenya
179 Uganda
180 United Republic of Tanzania
181 Rwanda
182 South Africa
183 Sierra Leone
184 Swaziland
185 Democratic Republic of the Congo
186 Lesotho
187 Malawi
188 Botswana
189 Namibia
190 Zambia
191 Zimbabwe
Source: World Health Organisation/British Medical Journal

[Az]

The United States was ranked 17th, just behind Israel, while the UK came in 23rd place, after Greece.

so Israel is 16th, and Greece is 22. very well, very well...

[Bereta_Eder]

In how healthy each one is.

you are healthier bastards than us


unbeliavable!

*lights cigarrette*

[Bereta_Eder]

But in quality of health care systems

Greece :11
Israel: 40

USA...:72

[Az]

we're so healthy we don't need a good healthcare system.

actually, I don't know what are they talking about in the WHO survey. Israeli healthcare is rather good, really. My father got himself a liver transplant, and gets most of the medication for free.

[Faboba]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


Why would that be more fair than any other nationality?

The sheer size of the German race in Europe. The combined populations of Germany and Austria is well over 90 Million.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Faboba


The sheer size of the German race in Europe. The combined populations of Germany and Austria is well over 90 Million.

Yeah, but that is still a minority when one considers that the population of Europe is over 650 million. That's rather like saying a white male should be president of the US, since they happen to be the largest of the minorities.

I say, let it be a Dutch president.

[lightblue]

How about Luxembourgish Jean-Claude Juncker seems fairly competent. Got to remember that French people won't vote for a German and vice versa, English people won't vote for French or german and all that stuff. A smaller country has a far greater chance to get someone in.

[Boris Godunov]

How about a German Frenchman from Strasbourg?

[Az]

I think that the euros should designate Luxembourg in a similar way that D.C. was designated and build a new capital there.

[TheBirdMan]

No!

Not a second before the commision is nothing but a simple government and the elected members are some, who REALLY think, they are doing the a decent job (and that they ACT so) and that they are not only taking care of the own business/personal econony.

[Az]

ermm..translation please?

[TheBirdMan]

Originally posted by Azazel
ermm..translation please?

sh?t happens when the feelings runs too fast.

I do not want to see anyone.

I do not want a president, before the "administration" is working.

First, a membership of the paliament should be wanted because "one" have a job to do there. And not as some sort of an retire-job (or becuase the seat back home is occupied by another). Ohh and no because of the lack of control on how they use their "own" budgets either.

Second: The commision should be elected EITHER by the paliament OR direct by the people of EU.

When these things are working - then it is time to look for some kind of a president ( some might call it a Chairman ....... ).

[Az]

This will come when the EU will become the federal government of europe, with some real powers, with a EU constitution, an EU court, an EU federal police, etc. etc. EU economic policy.

[VJ]

Our own Martti Ahtisaari. He's a good negotiator, and worked in UN.

Also, during the last decade, he has done everything what a good president has done,
stuff like corruption, rewarding cruel dictators with shiny medals, and getting hurt at Swedish
nightclub while being drunk as dell.

[Traianvs]

actually, I don't know what are they talking about in the WHO survey. Israeli healthcare is rather good, really. My father got himself a liver transplant, and gets most of the medication for free.

Uhm, Azazel, if I were you I wouldn't be telling everyone this. I hope you do know that most organs come from poor Moldavians and Turks... Turkey has a very good organ maffia that sells organs to the Israelis, and very often they get their organs from Moldavians (Moldavia, which is a rather small and unknown country in Europe) for just about $5000. In most cases these people are so desperate they will get their organs (or parts of it, if they still wish to keep on living that is...) removed (a kidney for example).

A stupid thing, because those few dollars are spent within months and they're back again where the started, but physically weaker and so even less capable of doing hard labour..

[Traianvs]

Btw, paiktis, your big list there is bollox

I KNOW that the quality of our medical qualities are better than those of say the netherlands...

here you can go to every kind of doctor you want, instantly, and for most treatments you get nearly everything back from social securities ( so here EVERYONE, be it poor or rich, can have the same access to treatments that cost a lot of money)

I see that in many other countries, you have to go to the same doctor (if you want to visit a specialist you have to ask your regular doctor etc... amazing stuff!) and you can't take another one, even if you move out of town to some place 100km further, you have to keep going to that particular doctor, which is absolute **** of course...

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