Jedinica Vrijstaat - Page 5

Kirov · January 17, 2003, 01:03

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Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
Your statement that ti won't solve our Drone problems. Of course, it won't in the sense that didn't have any to begin with, but ti will prevent them.

I have put it incorrectly. I meant that I don't understand the very term *BS*. Sorry, my mistake.

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Ok, well I have, and I can tell you what the results will be.

You're right, of course. Well, it's hard to be against FM because of pure fun of RP, while adoring this setting because of in-game effects at the same time... *sigh*. I know you don't agree with this point of view, but I hope you understand it.

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Once again, my apologies. Such was not my attention, and I was not in a aprticularly good mood at the time. Is ahll delete those sections of my post if you like.

OK, don't mention that. You know, at almost every point I don't agree with your opinions (more often that with Archaic), but I have always respected that you're not rude or zealous and that one can discuss with you in a reasonable and polite way. I'm happy to see it will not change.

GeneralTacticus · January 17, 2003, 01:09

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I have put it incorrectly. I meant that I don't understand the very term *BS*. Sorry, my mistake.

It means BullSh*t, i.e. completely incorrect.

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You're right, of course. Well, it's hard to be against FM because of pure fun of RP, while adoring this setting because of in-game effects at the same time... *sigh*. I know you don't agree with this point of view, but I hope you understand it.

Yes, I can understand being against it for RP reasons while thinking it works very well, however, I'm for it for both for RP reasons and because I think it's a good setting.

Maniac · January 17, 2003, 18:24

Beloved Jedinicans. I come to you to ask your opinion about our military spending. How big should it be? Is it big enough as it is? We currently support a gatling squad, two trance scout skirmishers, and a trance plasma sentinels. Should we build a trance plasme sentinels in each base, only in certain bases, or should we upgrade existing police infantries to police plasma sentinels? Should we build a few empath rovers? Or something else? Opinions are appreciated.

Maniac · January 19, 2003, 10:32

Great news! Pandemoniak has accepted to become base mayor of Pandemonium.
From Kirov I haven't heard anything yet.

Archaic, seeing that Comrade Chris isn't as active as you, thereby hopefully not insulting him by this proposal to you, I was wondering if you would like to mayor of Terminal Dogma?

Maniac · January 19, 2003, 11:32

And I've updated the economic figures to MY 2228. The text should need an update too, but I fear that will be for another time.

Archaic · January 19, 2003, 12:01

No thanks Maniac. While the position is tempting, I wish to hold off from holding any mayor or governor positions until we have bases off this continent.

Maniac · January 19, 2003, 12:29

Ambition to become governor of Alecrast no?

Though I do hope you will remain in the lovely base of Terminal Dogma for a long time.

Pandemoniak · January 19, 2003, 13:10

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Originally posted by Archaic
No thanks Maniac. While the position is tempting, I wish to hold off from holding any mayor or governor positions until we have bases off this continent.

Too bad, Jedinica could have looked like the Paris Universal exposition during the Cold War...

Drogue · January 19, 2003, 13:35

Archaic · January 20, 2003, 06:19

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Originally posted by Maniac
Ambition to become governor of Alecrast no?

Though I do hope you will remain in the lovely base of Terminal Dogma for a long time.

Indeed, and yes, I probably will be. Unless those sea bases are built near the Hive. Might be a fair enough re-creation.

Method · January 20, 2003, 18:26

once we get enough sea bases, i think we should make 1 or 2 sea regions. now that'd be cool

Cedayon · January 22, 2003, 00:21

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Originally posted by Archaic
Unless those sea bases are built near the Hive. Might be a fair enough re-creation.

Sit on the porch, firing artillery potshots at the Hive coast?

Build a naval weapons R&D facility with testing range, making sure most of the rounds land in Hive territory (preferably a base)?

Ah, the vast potential for entertainment value

Archaic · January 22, 2003, 00:45

This is SMAC. Arty is broken still. The only use for it really is shelling enhancements, and since when does the AI terraform well to begin with?

Cedayon · January 22, 2003, 10:02

I was talking about the RP enjoyment factor of lobbing explosives and such at Yang's territory, not necessarily expecting it to do much. Also, while the computer doesn't terraform nearly as much as a good player, there is quite a bit of (say) farmland and solars around The Leader's Horde; I think it's all within 2 squares of an ocean square. Perhaps shelling all those enhancements wouldn't be an efficient use of our ships (particularly if Yang hits them with needles), but it'd be fun

Maniac · January 22, 2003, 11:26

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Originally posted by Archaic
This is SMAC. Arty is broken still. The only use for it really is shelling enhancements, and since when does the AI terraform well to begin with?

Well I had one game where the Consciousness obtained 8-res armour while I only had tachyon guns. On that occasion I found it useful to have a few artillery pieces to weaken those garrisons protected by perimeter defences and aerospace complexes.
But that was indeed about the only time I ever actually used artillery. And since there is no way in plain SMAC to gain strong armour relatively fast, we can just let our future noodles and choppers do all the tough and dirty jobs.

Archaic · January 22, 2003, 11:50

Err.....Maniac. Arty is fixed in SMAX so it actually works. In SMAC, Arty does *no* damage. That was my entire point.

Maniac · January 22, 2003, 12:00

Really??

I never noticed a thing. And I recall very lively being bombarded often by the AI in plain SMAC or fighting some artillery duels against other artillery or ships.

Archaic · January 22, 2003, 12:16

You can do Arty duels, or destroy enhancements, but that's about it. Pretty pointless. It just doesn't work like it's supposed to. For human players at any rate.

Hercules · January 22, 2003, 17:28

As DPO I will be interested in the outcome of your discussions. Just note a high priority will be to steal or dev Missle or chaos capability.

Interesting thing about Sea bases is how they should be regarded, if placed between us and an enemy: as an extension of defense bases policy, or simply centres of population growth.

Kirov · January 22, 2003, 18:20

If Pande stays in Jedinica, I'm moving to Akiria. Maniac, I'd like to thank you for the time of my staying here, it was really great fun to live in Jedinica. I think I will be visiting my old base from time to time if you have nothing against it. Bye and let the Force be with you!

Cedayon · January 22, 2003, 18:22

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Originally posted by Hercules
Just note a high priority will be to steal or dev Missle or chaos capability

We stole SSF from Yang last session, iirc, and thus have missile capability... or do you mean prototype it?

As for how sea bases should be regarded:

It's been mentioned that sea bases aren't nearly as productive mineral-wise as land bases. Perhaps the sea base emphasis should be on defense then, rather than resources. Forward bases for naval and amphibious operations, or at worst an early warning system against invasion of our own continent. Or would it be better to emphasize nutrient production and thus large populations (for votes, at least)?

GeneralTacticus · January 22, 2003, 20:53

I'd say nturients and energy, with some mines on mineral bonuses to make sure the bases can produce something without rushing.

Maniac · January 31, 2003, 13:33

Figures updated for MY 2235 and Waab added to the Jedinican citizen registry.

Hercules · January 31, 2003, 23:02

Ok things have changed. I asked for volunteers ( bases) to include proto-type AAA units and/or needlejets
and interceptors into the build Q. I would like your region to volunteer something.

Maniac · February 1, 2003, 09:11

I have volunteered to build two AAA units. To build decent air units, I would first have to build an expensive aerospace complex. Therefore I would suggest limiting the bases producing those and not ask any region to build some air units.

FYI, after the hab complex in Terminal Dogma is finished, I plan to build an aerospace complex in that base. Then I can build decent air units as well. Also, in a yet undetermined time, I'd like to build a naval yard in Sheathed Sword. Together with the Command Center in Concordia, I can then provide the military with each type of unit desired. Valhalla and Pandemonium have a small mineral production, so for now I don't plan to gear those bases up to possible military production.

GeneralTacticus · February 1, 2003, 09:13

Just about your proposed naval yard - it's most likely unnecessary. Voltaire has said he intends to build the Maritime Control Centre in New Suez.

Maniac · February 1, 2003, 09:32

Ah, that's great news.

Pandemoniak · February 13, 2003, 11:10

And now that our faction is devoted to free market, I, Mayor of Pandemonium, wishes to protect all its citizens for potential secondary effects

and to inaugurate the ...

Maniac · February 13, 2003, 11:21

Ah, is that a picture of the Ben Nevis?

GeneralTacticus · February 14, 2003, 02:59

One does have to wonder what on chiron you intend to do with this 'Vault of the Future', which appears to resemble the interior of an Egyptian pyramid.