December 15, 2002, 05:42
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Having moved from ME to XP a month ago, I can never, ever, ever imagine going back.
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December 15, 2002, 06:53
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Really? You figured out how to deal with the NT-esque services and all that stuff?
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December 15, 2002, 07:40
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you're right, UR. I completely forgot. I was simply thinking of my problems. I had a worm as well, that closed ZoneAlarm, but only when I tried to log on.
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December 15, 2002, 08:19
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I probably will put it back, if it doesn't improve things. But I want to see what it's like.
At the moment even Sim City 3000 is suffering ridiculous slowdown 
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December 15, 2002, 12:14
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WinME was a huge waste of time for me. I imagine my current computer could problably handle it, but since it's not very DOS game friendly and I already have 98, why bother.
Re: reinstalling XP over the current installation. What will this do to my registry? Will I have to reinstall all of my various programs?
UR: I tried to start Norton by hand. That was the first thing I tried to do. First time, nothing. Second time, the browser came up, but no content. I repeated this process twice, same results. Rebooted the machine, same results.
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December 15, 2002, 12:39
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If you reinstall XP it will wipe your registry. You don't need to reinstall all your programs some really don't need registry information at all, but it is likely that you need to reintall most of your prorgams.
Okay, do you have a system backup somewhere? Maybe you can try to roll back to an earlier day like yesterday.
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December 15, 2002, 16:49
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Sadly, no, I don't have a back up.
Grrrr.
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December 15, 2002, 17:11
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Can you access System Restore at all?
This is why it was made, afterall.
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December 15, 2002, 17:44
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So far ME is running games far better than XP did.
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December 15, 2002, 18:14
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hi ,
trow norton away , get esafe or zonepro 3.5 
have a nice day
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December 15, 2002, 18:50
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Originally posted by red_jon
So far ME is running games far better than XP did.
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If by running, you mean DOS compatibility, then yes...but the smart people create a DOS partition from XP for that.
WinMe is a piece of ****. You'll find out why soon enough.
It's not any faster in terms of game performance, and I could give you all sorts of benchmarks and bore you to tears to back that up. 
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December 15, 2002, 18:53
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December 15, 2002, 19:44
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Originally posted by Asher
If by running, you mean DOS compatibility, then yes...but the smart people create a DOS partition from XP for that.
WinMe is a piece of ****. You'll find out why soon enough.
It's not any faster in terms of game performance, and I could give you all sorts of benchmarks and bore you to tears to back that up.
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When did you become so arrogant? 
No, I haven't tried DOS games but so far I've found a massive improvement in Deus Ex, Sim City 3000 and Red Alert 2.
I still own XP, it's not like I can't go back to it if I want to.
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December 15, 2002, 21:03
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Originally posted by Asher
Can you access System Restore at all?
This is why it was made, afterall.
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How would I do this?
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December 15, 2002, 21:07
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Asher is right. ME does suck. Biggest piece of crap MS ever made, IMO.
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December 15, 2002, 21:09
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What's wrong with it? I never really used it before.
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December 15, 2002, 21:10
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Che: It should be in your Control Panel (if you have it set up the new XP way). Click on "Performance and Maintainance", then on the left hand side, see 'System Restore' and click it.
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December 15, 2002, 21:10
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What's wrong with it? I never really used it before.
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It's buggy as ALL hell. It crashes more than Win98 ever did.
XP is heaven by contrast. Very stable.
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December 15, 2002, 21:12
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Well XP seemed to make my games go incredibly slowly. They seem to work much better in ME.
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December 15, 2002, 21:50
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Originally posted by red_jon
When did you become so arrogant?
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I've always been arrogant when it comes to computers and I know what I'm talking about. It comes with the territory.
Haven't you seen "Nick Burns" skits on SNL?
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No, I haven't tried DOS games but so far I've found a massive improvement in Deus Ex, Sim City 3000 and Red Alert 2.
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Then obviously something wasn't configured right in XP...perhaps you used old drivers or didn't enable DMA on your harddrive or something.
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Asher is right. ME does suck. Biggest piece of crap MS ever made, IMO.
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All of the decent programmers on the Win9x/Me division were transferred to Windows XP, WinMe was put out for sustained revenue purposes only and is buggy beyond belief...
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What's wrong with it? I never really used it before.
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Aside from the obvious like it being buggy as all hell...
The FAT32 file system sucks. NTFS is much better.
WinMe lacks protected memory, which means you reboot FAR more and experience FAR more crashes, not only from the OS being buggy but from runaway programs taking down your whole computer
WinMe lacks true multitasking, which means a runaway program can totally lock up your computer
WinMe's networking code blows, your ping times will be higher
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December 16, 2002, 01:46
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WinMe is a piece of ****.
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Damn!
I have some lying down to do.
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December 16, 2002, 08:59
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Originally posted by Asher
Aside from the obvious like it being buggy as all hell...
The FAT32 file system sucks. NTFS is much better.
WinMe lacks protected memory, which means you reboot FAR more and experience FAR more crashes, not only from the OS being buggy but from runaway programs taking down your whole computer
WinMe lacks true multitasking, which means a runaway program can totally lock up your computer
WinMe's networking code blows, your ping times will be higher
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I've noticed the bugs and it had crashed a couple of times, but seeing as it loads around 3 times faster than XP did on my laptop, I'm not too bothered.
I did convert to NTFS, but couldn't see any real difference. Aside from the fact it didn't run scandisk when xp wasn't shut down.
I did actually get the blue screen of death once in XP - I thought that wasn't meant to happen.
I also rarely play games online.
XP was becoming ridiculously slow - it started taking around 5 seconds to open an IE window. And that was with all the background programs disabled.
Surely that's not right for a laptop 1Ghz with 256mb RAM? But then you did say to me that 256mb is too low for XP. I don't like the fact that it seems to constantly use half the ram.
Isn't it best I use ME?
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December 16, 2002, 09:02
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And the drivers I used were the latest ones - unfortunately they're all made by sis.
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December 16, 2002, 11:00
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What the . . . ?!?
Okay, I didn't do anything, and now all of a sudden, XP is working fine as if there had never been a problem.  While I'm glad I can now access my email, etc., I'm a little confused and somewhat concerned. What happened? Will it happen again? How do I stop it? Gah!
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December 16, 2002, 11:34
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Hohoho, Merry Christmas
What happened? Nobody knows for sure. It can be the alignment of the stars or something.
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December 16, 2002, 11:38
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Ahhh, now I figured it out. Microsoft managed to track down the IP of yet another evil commie!
And about XP working... don't worry, in a few days it'll screw up again, then soon it'll work normal, then... and in a few months they'll have driven you insane. 
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December 16, 2002, 12:23
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I have seen that happen before, all versions of Windows do that. It's a Microsoft thing.
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December 16, 2002, 13:54
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No, I haven't tried DOS games but so far I've found a massive improvement in Deus Ex, Sim City 3000 and Red Alert 2.
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Almost every game made more then 1-1.5 years ago was designed to run as a DOS shell in Windows. Win XP no longer uses DOS shells and forces people to use the NT file system instead (NTFS); if a program is designed for NTFS then it will run super fast plus the programers get to use all sorts of new options that DOS never offered.
The down side is NTFS does a terrible job of running programs which were optimized for DOS thus the problems you've experienced...
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December 17, 2002, 06:15
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DOS shell? Nope. Most of those games run natively under Windows.
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December 17, 2002, 16:34
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Most games that run natively under Windows use Win32, which is fully supported under WinXP.
Tell me which games that are designed to run natively under Win95/98/Me and don't work on XP?
It's the games that still do DOS stuff that screw it up.
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