Apolyton Hall of Fame: December 2002

DarkCloud · December 14, 2002, 17:26

Hello and welcome to this year’s Historic 3rd December induction into the Apolyton Hall of Fame.
Please vote for whoever you think contributes the most to the ‘flavor’ of Apolyton. Who makes Apolyton what it is. Please vote for your favorite posters; the ones who contribute mods/scenarios/units as well as excellent posts, decorum and volunteer spirit on the boards.
Remember, your vote counts!
Please vote today and elect some of your brethern to join the historic December class; consisting of such hallowed names as Adam Smith, DanQ, MarkG, Giant Squid, St Leo, Ming, Snapcase, and more

THE CURRENT VOTING WILL TAKE PLACE IN THE 3RD POST DOWN FROM THIS ONE

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The Apolyton Hall of Fame

December 2002

(3 Members to be inducted)
(Only 13 will be elected this year)

Hall of Fame Members

Apolyton Hall of Fame Members -39

December 2001 Adam Smith
December 2000 Alexander's Horse [The Apolyton Troll]
March 2001 Boshko (AKA Zhu Yuanzhang Dave Boshko, Boshko)
December 2001 chegitz guevara
August 2002 Chris 62
December 2000 DanQ
March 2002 Ecthelion
March 2001 *End is Forever* (AKA Iain Lindley)
June 2001 EVC (AKA EvC, Evan VonChristof) [The Apolyton Daffy Duck] [Perma-Banned]
December 2000 Giant Squid (AKA Celestion the God, Alexander the Great) [The Apolyton DL]
June 2002 GP
January 2001 Imran Siddiqui [ACS News Coordinator]
March 2002 Jay Bee
March 2001 Lancer
December 2000 Mao
December 2000 MarkG
December 2000 MichaeltheGreat [Another OT Moderator]
December 2000 MikeH
December 2000 Ming [The OT Moderator]
June 2001 Monk
June 2002 paiktis22
December 2000 Provost Harrison (AKA AI) [The Apolyton Scientist]
March 2002 rah [Yet another OT moderator]
December 2001 Ramo
December 2000 Roland
March 2001 Ron Jeremy (AKA: Bugs ****ing Bunny, Lazarus and the Gimp, Trappist)
August 2002 Sirotnikov
December 2001 Snapcase
June 2001 SnowFire
June 2001 Starchild
June 2001 Stefu
January 2001 Stewart Spink [Perma-Banned]
December 2000 St Leo
June 2001 SuperSneak
December 2001 Wraith
March 2002 Velociryx
March 2002 yin26
December 2000 Yo_Yo_Yo_Hey [Perma-Banned]
June 2002 Xin Yu

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No Dates; Alphabetically:
Adam Smith
Alexander's Horse
Boshko
chegitz guevara
Chris 62
DanQ
Ecthelion
*End is Forever*
EVC
Giant Squid
GP
Imran Siddiqui
Jay Bee
Lancer
Mao
MarkG
Michael the Great
MikeH
Ming
Monk
paiktis22
Provost Harrison
rah
Ramo
Roland
Ron Jeremy
sirotnikov
Snapcase
SnowFire
Starchild
Stefu
Stewart Spink
St Leo
SuperSneak
Velociryx
Wraith
Xin Yu
yin26
Yo_Yo_Yo_Hey

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Chronologically
MarkG Automatic Inductee
DanQ Automatic Inductee
Ming December 2000
MikeH December 2000
MichaeltheGreat December 2000
Mao December 2000
Alexander's Horse December 2000
Giant Squid December 2000
Provost Harrison December 2000
Roland December 2000
Yo_Yo_Yo_Hey December 2000
St. Leo December 2000
Imran Siddiqui January 2001
Stewart Spink January 2001
Lancer March 2001
Ron Jeremy March 2001
*End is Forever*March 2001
Boshko March 2001
EVC June 2001
Monk June 2001
Snowfire June 2001
Starchild June 2001
SuperSneak June 2001
Stefu June 2001
Adam Smith December 2001
chegitz guevara December 2001
Ramo December 2001
Snapcase December 2001
Wraith December 2001
rah March 2002
yin26 March 2002
Ecthelion March 2002
Jay Bee March 2002
Velociryx March 2002
Xin Yu June 2002
GP June 2002
paiktis22 June 2002
Chris 62 August 2002
Sirotnikov August 2002

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Sorted by Year Registered

1998 (21)
Ming
MarkG
Stewart Spink
Imran Siddiqui
Alexander’s Horse
*End is Forever*
DanQ
Jay Bee
St. Leo
yin26
Yo_Yo_Yo_Hey
Snowfire
Starchild
rah
GP
Xin Yu
MichaeltheGreat (?)
Giant Squid
Boshko
Stefu (?)
Adam Smith (?)

1999 (12)
Yo_Yo_Yo_Hey
Ramo
Mao
Velociryx
MikeH
EVC
Snapcase
Roland
Wraith (?)
SuperSneak (?)
Lancer
Ron Jeremy (?)

2000 (5)
Provost Harrison
Ecthelion
chegitz guevara (?)
Sirotnikov (?)
paiktis 22 (?)

2001 (1)
Chris 62

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Information About the Hall of Famer’s
Information Courtesy: The Apolyton 100

MarkG - Founder of the site and maintainer. He has created numerous scripts for the site; uploaded data and dealt with troubles, all the while still finding the time to post in the Civ II sections and play Civ. A true legend.
DanQ - Founder of the site and maintainer. He has created numerous scripts for the site; uploaded data and dealt with troubles, all the while still finding the time to post in the Civ II sections and play Civ. A true legend.
Ming - OT moderator. Benevolent and kind. Civ II Mper and Civ II poster. He keeps order on the site and posts a lot in the OT
MikeH - AC-Player; now best known for his Off-topic postings. He now resides at CounterGlow.
MichaeltheGreat - Off topic moderator. Civ II player.
Mao - OT poster, he also posted in the Civ II sections until Aug 2000 when he faded from the forums
EVC - Humorous. Slightly offensive. Well-known for micronationalism; crazed antics. OT regular until his permabanning
Giant Squid - Old Mod-Maker for Civ II and poster on the forums since almost their inception. Best known for Apolyton Micronationalism.
Provost Harrison - AC poster, OT poster, ubiquitious poster. Provost is best known for his off-topic exploits.
Roland - Apolyton economicist and financial wizard
Yo_Yo_Yo_Hey - Co-Founded of The Alpha Centauri Nexus (more popular than ACN's SMAC section at the game's peak).
St. Leo - Currently hangs out and promotes the Scenario League. He used to be one of the more important Civ II posters.
Imran Siddiqui- ACS News Editor, large poster back in the old days. Civ II poster. Civ III-ideas poster. Now he generally hangs out in the Off-Topic. He enjoyed the old Story-Threads and contributed to many of them.
Stewart Spink - Humor. Spam. OT. Discussions. He was an Apolyton staff member at one time. He maintained the Civ II Top Ten Scoring list and some other things. He also had his own Civ II site.
Lancer - Well known for his charitable Karen Mills threads about the family in the Phillipines and the Apolyton House. He is also well known for his many invaluable Civ II contribuitions
Ron Jeremy- Humorous/Cynical Apolytoner. An old Civ II-er, he now hangs out in the OT.
*End is Forever* - Very interested in music. OT-er.
Boshko- OT-er. Big in political threads
Monk - OT-er. INFO NEEDED
Snowfire - Great contribuiter to The List for Civ III… One of the threadmasters for the Civ III list.
Stefu - STEFU! Finnish OT-er! Very humorous.
Adam Smith - Financial wizard. Economicist. Used to be big in the Civ II sections; he now solicits financial advice in the OT.
chegitz guevara - Communist… You guessed it… Theben’s brother. Currently lives in Florida. Well known for his remarkably Left-wing viewpoints.
Ramo - Another Libertarian/Anarchist. Yet Another Texan named Omar. Off-Topic debator.
Snapcase - Hacker, OT-er, and in charge of the Apolyton News.
Wraith - Social Libertarian. OT-er. MORE INFORMATION NEEDED.
rah - Major Civ II Mper, brother of Ming and current moderator of the OT. He also posts in the Civ II general section.
yin26- - South Korean master of THE LIST for Civ III! Yin26 used to be moderator of the Civ III section until he decided that he didn’t like Civ III… And for all newbies- you can relate his vitriolic statements about Alpha Centauri to Coracle’s whining about Civ III! However, returning to the more important information: yin 26’s listmastering tasks are not to be underestimated- he sorted thorough THOUSANDS of posts to find the best to submit to Firaxis in that huge 200 to 400-or-so page sacred document that is THE LIST.
Ecthelion- - Deutsche-Spam. Prominent Oter known for his humor. Formerly known as Andz83 and ChaosWarrior, Ecthelion originally posted in the Civilization II section. History happens to be one of his favorite topics.
Jay Bee- - Current moderator of the Spanish Civilization II section of the Forums. He is also the genial head of the Spanish Civilization II Site; an excellent site with many varied Spanish-setting scenarios. Jay Bee has been with Apolyton almost since its inception, being one of the first 4 people to register on the forums; right behind the venerable MarkG, DanQ and DarthVeda.
Velociryx - Current head of the Candle’bre project, a project centered around creating a free massively multiplayer game a la Trade Empires. Vel is also the published author of a recently (July 2002) released Mystery. (PLEASE CORRECT IF I AM WRONG ABOUT GENRE/GAME); he also published a strategy game for Alpha Centauri. Former AC-Fiction author and frequent AC-contributor. Once voted Apolytoner of the Season for the entire site. More information can be found in the Faces of Apolyon Interview by Solver
Xin Yu - Civ II strategy master and MPer. More information can be found in his Faces of Apolyon Interview by Solver
GP- Best known for his proponency of the “Branching Thread” format; GP is a former Navy Crewman who happens to be a frequent debater and frequenter of the Apolyton Off-Topic; he has also, in the past, visited the Civ II section, giving hints and advice. Currently (as of Nov 2002) he is under one of his asked for ‘bans-from-Apolyton’ so that he is not tempted to post
paiktis22- PLEASE CONTRIBUTE INFORMATION; Apolyton OT-er and former Civ III-ideas and Civ II regular.
Chris62 - He frequents the Spanish Civilization II, Scenario League, OT, General, Multiplayer website forums.
Sirotnikov Humorous. Defends Israel in the OT (since he lives in Israel)

DarkCloud · December 14, 2002, 17:29

Rules for voting

Everyone can vote for 3 posters

Registered In/Before 1999- 4 points per vote
Registered In 2000- 3 points per vote
Registered In 2001- 2 point per vote
Registered In 2002- 1 points per vote

You may not vote for yourself.
All ‘frivolous’ votes are thrown out.
You may only vote once in the hall of fame (for 3 people) IF you try to vote more than once ALL of your votes will be made void.

As per suggestion by MOBIUS, the last vote's are carried onto the next votes.
As per suggestion by Solver, all previous votes are carried onto the next votes.

FAQ:

“Trust me, an on-topicer will never win “

What about Xin Yu? What about Velociryx?
And remember, many of these ‘mostly-OT posters’ used to be huge on-topic posters back around 1998-99!

“Where is the Hall of Fame usually posted?”

From December 2000 to August 2002, the Hall of Fame had only been posted in the Off Topic forums; with occasional forays into the Apolyton/Community section. However, nowadays you can find the Apolyton Hall of Fame in the Civ III-General, CTP I-MP, CTP II-General, AC-General and one of the Alt.Civ sections (rotatable

) in addition to the Off Topic; with links INTO the voting realm in the Apolyton-Community and Civ II-General sections.

Jon Miller · December 14, 2002, 17:31

I keep getting more and more votes

Jon Miller

DarkCloud · December 14, 2002, 17:31

Current Standings (The Previous Votes’ add-ins are in brackets)
These are all the people who made the last List, but were not elected.

1 Slowwhand- ------------(37) 18----55
2 Frogger [Krazy Horse]- ------- (37) 17----54
3 Asher- ------(28) 22---50
4 Reismark- (23) 22---45

orange- (14) 29---44
DinoDoc- (29) 15-- 44

DanS- (20) 16----36

Locutus- (23) 12----35

Paul- (24) 10---34
DarkCloud- (18) 16----34

korn469- --------- (23) 10---- 33
Fez/Giancarlo- (26) 7---33

Sprayber - --------- (18) 12---30

MLeonard- -----(21) 8----29

Boris Godunov – (11) 17----28

Zykla- (12) 4---24

Scouse Gits- (15) 8----23
JohnT- -(15) 8---23

Eli- (15) 5----20

Urban Ranger- (19)
Solver- (15) 4---19

Sten Sture- (14) 4----18

fiera- (12) 4----16

ixnay- (4) 11---15

CivNation (AKA DefensorFidei)- (10) 4----14
n.c.- (14)

Shadowstrike (10) 3----13
Azazel- (9) 4----13
War4Ever- (6) 7---13

Tau Ceti- (5) 7--12
Ogie Oglethorpe- (3) 9---12
alexman (1) 11---12
Tiamat-( 9) 3----12

Sagacious Dolphin- (7) 4---11
Shi Huangdi- (3) 8----11
David Floyd- (11)
Catt- 11
Sikander- (4) 7----11
Theseus- (3) 8--11
Alinestera Covelia 11
Immortal Wombat- (9) 2----11

devilmunchkin- (10)
jon miller- (8) 2----10
Lincoln- (10)
werefox- (6) 4----10
Aeson- (6) 4---10
Arrian (3) 7--- 10

East Street Trader- (6) 3---9
Red_jon- (9)
Zeus_of_Olimpos- (5) 4----9
EyesOfNight- (2) 7----9
Caesar the Great-(6) 3----9

Marquis de Sodaq- (4) 4---8
Mr Fun- (8)
Natan- (8)
Porphyrogenitus- (8)
Albert Speer (8)
Empress- (5) 3----8

warpstorm- 7
boann- (5) 2----7
DeepO-(5) 2----7
Coracle- (5) 2----7
WesW- 7
Hexagonian- 7

notyoueither- 6
axi- (6)
Sergeant Sheets- (2) 4----6
Jack the Bodiless-(6)
Rand Al'Tor- (6)

Skanky Burns- (1) 4----5
BlackWidow24- (5)
Clear Skies- (5)
the capo- (5)
El Awrence- (5)
Sir Ralph- (3) 2----5
Trip- 5

Dominikos-4
GePap- 4
Dr Strangelove- (4)
Dale- 4
Kassiopeia- 4
Vondrack 4

MBloomIII- (3)
Six Thousand Year Old Man- (3)
BeBro- (3)
Waku- (3)
Belinda9- (3)
Harlan- 3
Dissident- (3)
Vi Vicdi- (3)
Monkspider- (3)
Gramphos- (3)
ColdWizard- (3)
Kaak- (3)
phoenixcager- (3)
FlamefFlash 3
dojoboy 3
Bradman 3

FemmeAdonis- (2)
Guynemer- (2)
markusf- (2)
UberKrux- 2
mindseye- (2)
DeathByTheSword 2
Blake- 2
Sir David- (2)
Frustrated Poet- 2
Gibsie- (2)
LordStone1- (2)
MOBIUS- (2)
Apocalypse- (2)
Rogan Josh- (2)
Giovanni Wine-(2)
faded glory- (2)
mindseye- (2)
Rasbelin- 2
Wigalf- (2)
Andreas- (2)
DarkStar- (2)

vulture- (1)
Seneca- (1)
connorkimbro- (1)
UltraSonix- (1)
The Brain- (1)
Jimmytrick- (1)
Master Marcus- (1)
DylanBaker- (1)
Hydey- (1)
Taurus- (1)
Ted Stryker [Derek, Provost D]- (1)
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I vote for korn469-3 Empress- 3 Shadowstrike-3

Who voted for Whom

Adam Smith voted for: Reismark (4), DanS (4), StenSture (4)
alva voted for: DeepO (2), Frustrated Poet (2), Notyoueither (2)
Apocalypse voted for: Asher (4), ixnay (4), Solver (4)
Asher voted for: KrazyHorse (4), DinoDoc (4), Zylka (4)
asleepatthewheel voted for: notyoueither (1), warpstorm (1), arrian (1)
Azazel voted for: Locutus (3), Eli (3), Frogger (3)
Bamspeedy voted for: Aeson (1), alexman (1), Warpstorm (1)
boann voted for: Slowwhand (3), eyes of night (3), orange (3)
Boris Godunov voted for: ixnay (2), Asher (2), orange (2)
Changmai Beagle voted for: Hexagonian (4), WesW (4), Dale (4)
Chris 62 voted for: slowwhand (2), Sprayber (2), boann (2)
ColdWizard voted for: orange (3), reismark (3), Slowwhand (3)
DarkCloud voted for: korn 469 (3), Empress (3), Shadowstrike (3)
David Floyd voted for: orange (4), Mleonard (4), Slowwhand (4)
De Gaulle voted for: Alexman (1), Theseus (1), Catt (1)
devilmunchkin voted for: Slowwhand (2), DarkCloud (2), sprayber (2)
Dominae voted for: alexman (1), Arrian (1), notyoueither (1)
Gatekeeper voted for: FlameFlash (3), dojoboy (3), Bradman (3)
GePap voted for: Sir Ralph (2), Trip (2), Fez(2)
GP voted for: Sergeant Sheets (4), Dominikos (4), Frogger (4)
Grumbold voted for: Hexagonigan (3), WesW (3), korn469 (3)
Guynemer voted for: KrazyHorse (4), DinoDoc (4), JohnT (4)
H Tower voted for: DinoDoc (2), Immortal Wombat (2), Asher (2)
Immortal Wombat voted for: Paul (3), Locutus (3), Harlan (3)
Imran Siddiqui voted for: DanS (4), Asher (4), Slowwhand (4)
ixnay voted for Asher (4), Zylka (4), Boris Godunov (4)
Jay Bee voted for: DarkCloud (4), Paul (4), Fiera (4)
jdd2007 voted for: Locutus (2), DarkCloud (2), ixnay (2)
JohnT voted for: DanS (4), DarkCloud (4), Orange (4)
Jon Miller voted for: Zeus_of_Olimpos (4), CivNation (AKA DefensorFidei) (4), Zykla (4)
Kampus majore voted for: Theseus (1), notyoueither (!), Arrian (1)
Konquest02 voted for: Alexman (1), Theseus (1), Arrian (1)
Lazarus and the Gimp voted for: Alnistera Covelia (4), Eyes of Night (4), Sagacious Dolphin (4)
Mad Bomber voted for: alexman (1), Aeson (1), Warpstorm (1)
MariOne voted for: Sikander (4), Ogie Oglethorpe (4), Tau Ceti (4)
Ming voted for: werefox (4), Mleonard (4), Reismark (4)
monkspider voted for: Boris Godunov (2), Orange (2), Jon Miller (2)
Mr. President voted for: Kassiopea (2), DeathByTheSword (2), Alnistera Covelia (2)
Ned voted for: Shi Huangdi (4), GePap (4), Azazel (4)
notyoueither voted for: Frogger (2), korn469 (2), Aeson (2)
orange voted for Caesar the Great (3), Reismark (3), Tiamat (3)
panag voted for: Eli (2)
Paul voted for: Locutus (4), Scouse Gits (4), Tau Ceti (4)
Plan Austral voted for: Ixnay (2), Boris Godunov (2), Fez (2)
rah voted for: DarkCloud (4), Reismark (4), War4Ever (4)
redbull voted for: DinoDoc (1), Ixnay (1), Asher (1)
red_jon voted for: Boris Godunov (3), Fez (3), Orange (3)
Sagacious Dolphin voted for: orange (4), DanS (4), Skanky Burns (4)
Seneca voted for: Boris Godunov (3), Alinestra Covelia (3), East Street Trader (3)
Skanky Burns voted for: korn469 (2), Asher (2), ixnay (2)
Sir Ralph voted for: Theseus (2), arrian (2), alexman (@)
Slowwhand voted for: Sprayber (4), Orange (4), Reismark (4)
Stefu voted for: DinoDoc (4), JohnT (4), Sprayber (4)
Stuie voted for: Theseus (2), Catt (2), UberKrux (2)
Taz voted for: Sikander (3), Ogie Oglethorpe (3), Tau Ceti (3)
The Pioneer voted for: Vondrack (!), Trip (1), Catt (1)
Theseus voted for: Catt (1), Arrian (1), alexman (1)
Tiberius voted for: Alexman (3), Warpstorm (3), Vondrack (3)
TKG voted for: Blake (2), Ogie Oglethorpe (2), Alnisteria Covelia (2)
Trajanus voted for: Boris Godunov (3)
Tuomerehu voted for: Rasbelin (2), Kassiopeia (2), Trip (2)
WarpStorm voted for: notyoueither (2), Coracle (2), Catt (2)
wilbill voted for: warpstorm (1), theseus (1), Catt (1)
Vlad Antlerkov voted for: Black Dragon/Shi Huangdi (4), Scouse Gits (4), Marquis de Sodaq (4)
Zopperoni voted for: Paul (3), War4Ever (3), Asher (3)

Jon Miller · December 14, 2002, 17:34

my votes

Zeus_of_Olimpos
CivNation (AKA DefensorFidei)
Zykla

Jon Miller

Asher · December 14, 2002, 17:35

KrazyHorse
DinoDoc
Zylka

Az · December 14, 2002, 17:36

Locutus
Eli
Frogger

Guynemer · December 14, 2002, 17:41

KrazyHorse
DinoDoc
JohnT

Vlad Antlerkov · December 14, 2002, 17:42

Black Dragon/Shi Huangdi
Scouse Gits
Marquis de Sodaq

IMHO, we should remove the provision that ALL previous votes are carried over. (I'm fine with the previous ballot's votes being carried.) Granted, that's just me.

red_jon · December 14, 2002, 18:37

Boris
Fez
Orange

ixnay · December 14, 2002, 18:40

Asher
Zylka
Boris Godunov

And I changed my name; it's listed as ixnay37 on the list there.

Paul · December 14, 2002, 18:48

Locutus
Scouse Gits
Tau Ceti

TCO · December 14, 2002, 18:49

Kitty
"Leftenant Lawrence"
Joe (just kidding! Make that Mr. Mantequilla)

red_jon · December 14, 2002, 18:51

Omg I haven't seen you in ages GP. Shirtless threads mean nothing without you

Zopperoni · December 14, 2002, 18:52

Paul [3]
War4ever [3]
Asher [3]

Imran Siddiqui · December 14, 2002, 18:53

DanS
Slowwhand
Asher

TCO · December 14, 2002, 18:58

Quote:

Originally posted by red_jon
Omg I haven't seen you in ages GP. Shirtless threads mean nothing without you

Wasssssup? (I've got a hetero blubber layer, dude.) So...have you changed your "status"? *Trying to think what else we could talk about*

red_jon · December 14, 2002, 19:01

Lol, so imitating Budweiser adverts makes you straight?

I'm at uni now, making me a grown up.

TCO · December 14, 2002, 19:02

So you've done the deed?

Ming · December 14, 2002, 19:05

Yeah... it does seem silly to carry over ALL past votes.
The old method of carrying over the last set of votes was far better...

werefox (4)
The first women poster at Apolyton. And I don't want her to dance on my head

MLeonard (4)
He did a lot of work on this site, and that makes him more qualified than many of the people being voted on.
While he doesn't post much anymore, it's still about time he got elected

Reismark (4)
For all his work on the sports contests. His efforts have set up some good traditions at Apolyton... and deserves to be in the HOF.

red_jon · December 14, 2002, 19:07

Deed?

TCO · December 14, 2002, 19:08

Werefox is ok. But MLeanord is a traitor. And Reismark cheated during the Apolyton elections. Plus we haven't had any Hodadian Awards in a long time.

Boris Godunov · December 14, 2002, 19:09

Quote:

Originally posted by ixnay
Asher
Zylka
KrazyHorse

And I changed my name; it's listed as ixnay37 on the list there.

Traitor! We had a standing agreement!

Ming · December 14, 2002, 19:13

Quote:

Originally posted by GP
Werefox is ok. But MLeanord is a traitor. And Reismark cheated during the Apolyton elections. Plus we haven't had any Hodadian Awards in a long time.

Yeah... but at least there is a reason to vote for these three... unlike some of the candidates who have done absolutely nothing here except to make deals to trade votes

Boris Godunov · December 14, 2002, 19:20

Or those who only got in because they were mods.

SlowwHand · December 14, 2002, 19:21

sprayber
orange
reismark

Ming · December 14, 2002, 19:30

Quote:

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Or those who only got in because they were mods.

Hmmm... have you ever done ANYTHING on this site for the good of the community... Nahhh... I didn't think so

Six Thousand Year Old Man · December 14, 2002, 19:32

Join me in a boycott of the HS popularity contest, Boris...

Jon Miller · December 14, 2002, 19:36

I like my votes

Jon Miller

Wraith · December 14, 2002, 19:36

--"Wraith - Social Libertarian. OT-er. MORE INFORMATION NEEDED."

I'll say more information is needed. You've got me all wrong. I'm no social libertarian. I'm an antisocial libertarian.

Wraith
"It can only be attributable to human error."
-- HAL 9000