Apolyton Empire - Discussion

Mellian · December 17, 2002, 02:09

Sorry for creating another thread, but couldn't locate the old discussion thread....

Anyway, wanted to say to the AE writers and those intrested to join, we may have a time warp, possibly after the Peace Summit or whatever.

Thinking to timewarp to a Late-Industrial era/ 1940s RT, before a great war in the AE universe...

Would be like WW1 with WW2 tech...so the WW1/WW2 concept of massive warfare will be new to the world once GW in AE begins....where we can work ourselves towards it like we did with the English War.

As for the most advance nations, despite having flight and tanks for 10-20 years, their full potential and use is still haven't been properlly explored... or the proper doctrines of their use. Hence, Fighters/Bombers and Tanks haven;t been built in numbers yet. Would new in use like WW1 planes and tanks, but with WW2 tech.... this is mainly to avoid primitive planes and tanks sillyness.

I have an idea of how the world diplomaric relations will be like, and the status of the other civs....

but we need to figure out the general history of Apolyton and so on in the last 300-400 years

any thought or discussion?

-Mellian

Sheep · December 17, 2002, 04:20

Here is a proposed timeline

1405 Peace Summit finalised is put into practice, The Counsuls retire into old age, and the new Republican form begins

1410 Printing Presses become more widespread, and the average man in the street begins to become more educated.

1420s England and America go to war again. Apolyton loses its English territories to England. Mass anti-war riots cause quick Apolyton exit from the war. Begiining of the Apolyton Decline.
England finally wins the war re-emeging as a great power in 1448 : Treaty of York.

1450's the Apolyton Republic continues to be beset with problems, as the loss of trade to America is a major issue. The Apolyton Republic begins to slip into recessionary economics.

1470's The Apolyton Republic is overthrown by the decedant of the Iriqouis line of Moderator's brief civil war is begun.

1480's The English Republic is overthrown by Monarchists. England gives American cities back to America and ends the restrictive Treaty of York.

1495 A Republican Gaurd lands in Apolyton, from America. The force is lead by the son of former hero Giovanni Vodka. Giovanni Beer

continues to advance and sets himself up as Consul.

1510 Second Peace Summit occurs after Consul Giovanni Beer dies of poisoning. The Moderatists and the Republicans come to an agrrement averting a fourth Apolytoner Civil War. The Moderator reigns, but most of his power is in the hands of the Apolyton Congress. (much like RL present day England)

1515 The rise of the Kingdom of Apolyton begins. War with the Americans sees New Orleans given to Apolyton. Apolyton's first overseas colony since the loss of York.

1520 Apolyton goes to war against France. Northern France is devestated by the Knights raids. Paris is sacked, and the French King sues for peace. Apolyton gains Rouen as a trading post, and the French art of Sanitaiton.

1535 As sewer systems are built throughout Apolytoner cities there is a population explosion. The population of Apolyton will double before the end of the century.

1547 the first factory opens in Easthaven City, formally Vegemon City. The Industrial Revolution begins.

1560 The English armada is defeated crossing to Apolyton, without a loss. The English sue for peace, and York passes back to the Apolyton Empire. This marks the start of the Colonial period of the Empire and the end of English supremacy.

1575 Apolyton explorer discovers the Aztect Nations, India, China, Japan and Korea. The Aztects are quickly invaded six months later, and are made into vassals of Apolyton.

1580 The Indian Wars begin with Apolyton, france, Russia and Iriquious fighting over India, as the state begins to crumble. By the 1620's Russia is the sole colonial power in India. Apolyton prestige sufferes

1590 Apolyton discovers uninhabited islnds in the south with large slatpeter and oil reserves. Although oil has little use, Saltpeter is needed and the Apolyton settlers claim the islands.

1600 The Indian War continues Delhi captured by Apolyton Army, Iriqouis abandon their attempts of colonisation

1615 Japanese leader makes contact. trade agreement established.

1620 France and Apolyton surrender in the Indian Wars. Russia recognised as the sole power in India.

more to follow

Sheep · December 17, 2002, 04:21

occ: By the way I am happy to amend this at will, I got these events from my Big Book of dates and adapted them to Apolyton.

Sheep · December 17, 2002, 04:29

1630 1st Sino-Apoly war. China surrenders after 4 months. Shanghai occupied by Apolyton.

1650 Korean leader dies without heir. Korea is fought over by Russia, England and Apolyton. Apolyton manages to win. England becomes isolationist and Russia and Apolyton begin to form new alliances.

1655 First Railroads built in Apolyton.

1655 - 1700 There is widespread plague in Apolyton, and Apolyton plays little role in world affairs becomming isloationist. 1/3 of all Apolytoners die, including the Modrator Civaman XV and his wife Naomi, the Japanese princess.

1720-3 Brief Skirmish between Russia and Apolyton over Japnese trading rights. Apolyton loses and Shanghai is taken from us. This is the first use of machine guns and mustard gas (ww1 style warfare) Russia becomes a world power.

1738 Present day (ww2 style technology)

Possible alliances

Russian Alliance: Russia, France, America, Russian India, Mongolia, Ottomans
Apolytoner Alliance: Apolyton, England, Rome, Greece, Japan, Apolyton Korea

Neutral Nations: China, Vikingland, Zululand, Germany, Spain.....

foolish_icarus · December 17, 2002, 12:00

I would prefer early industrial technology, at a date that conforms more to actual technological levels, perhaps mid to late 18th century

Easthaven I · December 17, 2002, 21:10

Hey, thats a pretty good timeline, ya got my vote.

I especially like that Easthaven City part...

Sheep · December 17, 2002, 21:44

The thing is that we are already slightly more advanced than what we were in RL in the story.

Sheep · December 17, 2002, 23:54

If you can wait for a day, i can post a new timeline close tyo that of RL based on the Apolyton Universe with people ane everything..... Should take us through to 1900

Mellian · December 18, 2002, 04:18

AE years isn't base on Real Life years, so don't base it on historical events. We can have Early-Industrial era if the majority wants....where we'll have better cannons, Riflemans, and Cavalry.

Majority of AE universe leaders are immortals, as well some others behind the scenes, like Mellian. So if civman wishs, his Iroquois mod could be one

Apolyton already knows about the Aztecs and Zulus...maybe not about the Incas...who get conquered by the Aztecs anyway. Actually, Aztecs was part of the APOLYTON ALLIANCE to help fight the English, and in exchange got some techs like Gunpowder, Metallurgy and so on. So no one they become vassals

England became Republic, well, with a parliamentary type gov, first lead by Cromwell. It as been mentioned in the story. After that, relations with America was improving, hinted by mmtt. So quite odd to see America and England go to war again, so soon too.......

France is a republic, and should stay that way. Joan of Arc could have been voted out, or retired... and at some point, Napoleon appeared and turn france into a Military Oligarchy....which could explain bit as to why Apolyton went at war with France. Apolyton starts using Easthaven's Foxes, not Knights.... they are like the proto-Cavalry. Anyway, could have eventually adopted a Democracy gov afterwards, the first to do so....

The Russia-Mongul war goes on and on, but after the arrival of Apolyton troops sent by Easthaven, it slowly halted into a stalemate, and fighting as stop for a few to several years. Apolyton Republic gov decides to call back the troops from Mongolia....and afterwards, Russia resume their invasion. Relations with Monguls went down the hole...which didn't matter, as Russia eventually conquers them....but would still have mongolian rebels, resistant fighters and so on for many centuries to come.

There should be a reason why there would be a war with America...and shouldn't just be over lost of trade. Maybe Apolyton intervene when America finally declared war on the Iroquois and tried to take them over... Apolyton came in to help the Iroquois and defeated the Americans.

SPanish-Aztec war ended, with no serious from neither side... France cancelled the Right of Passage with Aztec, preventing them a direct land route to Spain....so war stalled after some failed Aztec beach head attacks.

Aztec looses Manchester to England year or so after Cromwell and the Parliament took power. Zulus left the city before that, as they have no interest in keeping it,so let Aztec have it...which didn't help.

several decades after the spanish-aztec war ended, the Aztec conquered the inferior Incas...who have previously split off way back when...with techs orginally given by Apolyton....

Carthage as been conquered by the Romans and Babylons, while Greece decided to stay back. While Rome asorbed their share quite well, it sort of destabilizes Babylon, who they had to stretch their forces later in the war to take Carthage, as they took a lot of losses.... nearly collapse into anarchy, corruption went rampent and a lot of resistant by the Carthagians populace.... didn't help that Persia decided to go in and cause trouble...which in turn later hurt them when Ottomans started causing trouble with their superior forces, tech and training wise....

Zulus started causing trouble for the Arabs and the persians as well, taking advantage of the tech gained from the Apolyton Alliance deal... In general, south western to central west of the Alligator continent, were pretty mest up in the next several centuries....

Orientals (Korea, China, and Japan) were pretty stable throughout the years...with very few conflicts and so on.... but the price to keep stability sorta effected research. India have quite an goldan time as well....having few problems with Persia in comparison to before....

China was discovered way back when, and full contact and embassy was established by the diplo team sent by Mellian before Generals took over.

No invasion or whatever of the Indians, or Aztec and so on...... Vast colonial empire like the British had in real life is cool, but AE isn't base on RL history....

-Mellian

Mellian · December 18, 2002, 04:19

oh and i want Vegeimon City to be renamed to Mingapulco!!!

-Mellian

Mellian · December 18, 2002, 04:33

would like to see Russia become communist while germany becomes fascist (doesn't nescessarally mean a nazi one).

colonial stuff could happen, mainly by the European types from the Monkey continent....a long with the Americans maybe.

Candidates for colonial invasions: Whats left of Carthage, Celts, Arabs, Persia, Babylon (as they eventually collapse after the invasion of Carthage and the deep attacks by Persia) and India. Zulus and Aztecs would be tought, and seriously no point as, now that they are generally up to par tech wise with Apolyton and Europe since the english war....but up to par infrastructurally is a different matter....

Ottomans is up to par, due to a lot of contact and trade with the Monkey continent...... there is Egypt, which is pretty quiet....... greece and rome are up to par, with a different style. Viking are not up to par, but they are to much trouble to bother...... China and Japan are to vast and to big a military force. Can say the same for Korea, but they are quiet and peaceful as well...... with few skirmish and conflicts with Japan and Rome.... Rome/Korea controls the channel, or whatever, leading to the inland Sea in middle of Alligator.

Russia gets Mongolia....while America tried getting Iroquois......

-Mellian

Easthaven I · December 18, 2002, 16:26

I'm a little bit more inclined with Sheep's timeline. With a few tweaks from Mellian's...

Sheep · December 19, 2002, 03:43

Hey I have written up a huge timeling bringing us to 1939. It shows people gying to give it that authenticity, of people not being immortal. I will write it up tommorrow. After then anyone is able to pick at it and we work it out. As it is there is only 50 years in 500 that don't really have soimething happen in them......

Mellian · December 19, 2002, 12:59

I guess thats the plan then

you do the timeline, and i tweak

-Mellian

Easthaven I · December 19, 2002, 22:41

Lets get the show on the road, folks...

Sheep · December 19, 2002, 23:12

Okay I will start posting in a few days. I am adding elemsnts of real history into this thing, and its taking me a while. Until then seeming as the Archbishop died, write about the Peace Summit.

Mellian · December 20, 2002, 01:48

Okay...and also have to figure a general storyline as to how Mellian could still be around for so long....

if no one else is interested keeping their old characters, Mellian won't be familiar to them.

Oh, and before we start.... what kind of government do we want? Monarchy again? or Democracy? The govs don't have to be complicated

Democracy could be voting for an individual, not a party....and Governors of cities would be voted upon too.

Can also have a Constitutional Monarchy too...

Are we clear in wether we want Early-Industrial or Late-Industrial..... maybe pre flight/tank late-industrial

-Mellian

Sheep · December 20, 2002, 01:51

I was thinking having a Constiutional Monarchy. there have been periods of Republic but they failed. Also I had Melian being executed after the Peace Summit for treason, so I'm going to have to change that......

Mellian · December 20, 2002, 12:48

You better! i suggest avoiding characters in the timeline in general.

-Mellian

Sheep · December 20, 2002, 12:56

okay all that except for rulers which are half the timeline. Besides civman wanted to be a dynasty.....

Easthaven I · December 20, 2002, 16:10

Must we have immortals? Can't you just have Mellian VII or somethin?

Sheep · December 20, 2002, 16:15

In the current timeline there are several dynasties.

The First Republic
The Frist Iriquious Dynasty
The Second Republic
The Easthaven Dynasty
The Third Republic
The Giovanni Gynasty (start of constituinal Monarchy)
The Windsor Dynasty (has 20 year break where the King is in exile)
The Second Iriquois Dynasty

There are a number of Kings.

The current King is King Civman XV. he has ruled for the last two years. The year is 1940.

Other ruler names are

Queen Melian
King Markus
King Beer
anotjer I can't remember

(Moderators changed title to King after constutional Monarchy)

foolish_icarus · December 20, 2002, 16:56

my vote is still for early industrial (c. early 1800s), kind of a napoleanic or immediatly post-napoleanic world scene. Later industrial would be fine, but i dont think we should start of past equivalent of European WW1 technology

Sheep · December 20, 2002, 17:45

okay. I will do the timeline. Then we can vote on where we stop it and start the next story.

Mellian · December 20, 2002, 21:08

Mellian is infertile

...and i am not having babies.

So yes, immortality.

Not everyone as too, and i am not keen with idea of getting executed either.

-Mellian

Mellian · December 20, 2002, 21:21

Hey! leave the titles to Moderator.... as it is still base on the forums as well too!

-Mellian

Easthaven I · December 20, 2002, 21:43

Must we keep Moderator? It would be cooler if it were changed to KING or somethin. Or maybe restrict 'Moderator' to a certain government...

WHy wouldn't the title change? Times change and government changed...

Just sayin....

Mellian · December 21, 2002, 01:53

Moderator is a gender neutral term, and Apolyton is where male and females are the most equal

so why go backwards?

-mellian

Easthaven I · December 21, 2002, 21:37

What? With King you still have Queen? HOw is that unequal? I'm just trying to be more widespread and realistic...

Sheep · December 21, 2002, 21:41

Yeah I feel its unreralists and unbalancing if people are immortal and our rulers are called Moderators. What are the Moderating, it isn;t ther drinks, thats for sure.