December 19, 2002, 10:03
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Furious Spaniards with Infogrames
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December 19, 2002, 11:11
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No hablas  
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December 19, 2002, 14:34
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I could translate it, but I'm too lazy. 
edit: and no, in Brazil we do not speak Spanish, we speak Portuguese! 
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December 19, 2002, 14:39
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Well, I'm sure it's infuriating.
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December 19, 2002, 14:42
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according to the altavista translator:
============================ Manifesto
You consider @ amig @ :
In the first place I would like agradecerte the interest shown by the campaign, that has arisen spontaneously by several users of Civilization III fed up with the constant acts of scorn on the part of Iberian Infogrames, between that emphasize:
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The terrible translation of Civilization III, neglected, with nonappropriate names to units, letters mounted with others (In all the configurations).
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The nonexistent service of attention to the client.
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The nonupdate of its Web.
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The nonupdate of the Web of the game ( www.civ3.com/es)
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The patches more recent than Firaxis (company programmer) offer to the users of the English version have not been translated the Spanish, placing in inferiority. In addition, these patches can only be obtained by ordinary mail, after sending a letter to Infogrames Spain.
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The nonpublication of Play the World when there are translated versions (as the Italian) has been available anywhere in the world for some weeks.
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The mutual incompatibility of the Spanish version with versions of other countries, as far as patches talks about at least: patches of other languages cannot be applied to the Spanish version, even though this arranging to resign to the translation with so updating the version of Civilization III (already we will see that it happens when it leaves the multiplayer update Play The World)
Before all these reasons, the users of Civilization 3 we have been united with a motto?Estamos fed up with the discrimination to which puts under Infogrames to us, Why in Spain we do not have the same service that the Germans, French, Americans? if we paid just like they?
If these in favor of this complaint, aqui signs the manifesto '!
Links of complaints:
* http://www.meristation.com/sc/foros 1
* http://www.meristation.com/sc/foros 2
* http://apolyton.net/forums
* http://www.msdox.com/foros
Next actions:
* Shipment to Infogrames and Firaxis Games of informative email of the terrible work made by Iberian Infogrames.
All the marks are property of their respective owners.
NEVER MORE, PLAY THE WORLD ALREADY!
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December 19, 2002, 14:45
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Hey, that does suck. I knew there were some delays with IG translating stuff, but that is pretty annoying...
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Originally posted by lateralis
NEVER MORE, PLAY THE WORLD ALREADY!
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I don't get that. It's funny though.
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December 19, 2002, 14:45
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Thank you very much, lateralis.
My English is very bad.
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December 19, 2002, 14:48
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Originally posted by cyclotron7
I don't get that. It's funny though.
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One does not know when it will leave the PTW in Spain.
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December 19, 2002, 15:46
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Chieftain
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i just want to know what "agradecert" means. 
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December 19, 2002, 16:38
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Chieftain
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Boy they're mad... no wonder Firaxis didn't give the Spanish any banks!
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December 19, 2002, 17:53
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Originally posted by lateralis
i just want to know what "agradecert" means.
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"Be grateful to you", I think.
It is a shame what they are doing with us, we cannot buy the Spanish version because there are no up-to-date patches for us, in fact, last patch available in Spain is v1.21f and not in the net, you have to write a letter to Infogrames Iberia in order to get it. There is no technical service either.
So, many of us are buying Civ III American Version from Amazon because we know it is the only version which has guaranteed patches.
We are really angry with them 
Perhaps you could help us with our demands
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December 19, 2002, 18:20
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There is a "Version in English" button on the top right of the screen for any of you, like me, who do not know how to read spanish.
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December 19, 2002, 18:58
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DalesduroArfonsodalesduro Aversi puedentraducirEsto
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December 19, 2002, 20:15
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December 19, 2002, 21:49
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Bueno.
Yo (SIGNED) está (PETITION)!!!
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December 19, 2002, 23:18
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Damn, I can't remember the last time I saw a thread like this. I can't believe that Firaxis is still giving those in Spain such a hard time.
I said it before Alfonso, and I'll say it again, I side with you.
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December 20, 2002, 08:14
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FIRMAO !!!!
ABAJO INFOGRAMES
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December 20, 2002, 12:49
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Sounds like IG used the Altavista translator on Civ III
It's no joke these days. I regularly buy the US version of games because even the UK English version cannot be guaranteed full support. Luckily I'm able to afford to pay the extra costs.
If you're going to publish in a local area and use different copy protection, language or other restrictions that make patches incompatible I believe you should commit to doing it properly and supporting the product fully throughout its lifecycle. Having said that, its easy for me to take this stand since if they don't publish in the UK I don't have to learn a whole new language to get most of the games I want (although some Japanese games would be exceptions.)
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December 20, 2002, 13:08
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:hmm: I just can't comprehend some of the Spanish in here.
Hey, I could ask my aunt to translate it... (not sure why they got a bad translation though)
EDIT: I was just going to say "There's a "Version in English" link when I noticed someone already beat me to it.
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December 20, 2002, 13:44
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Originally posted by Grumbold
(although some Japanese games would be exceptions.)
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Same here, but only if they use western letters, othewise I'm at a lose. 
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December 20, 2002, 13:58
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 FIGHT THE POWER
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December 20, 2002, 14:06
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Originally posted by HazieDaVampire
FIGHT THE POWER
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December 20, 2002, 14:09
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wow, didn't see that one coming!
Does :kill: still work?
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December 20, 2002, 14:31
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Apparently not.
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December 20, 2002, 15:27
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Originally posted by Kramsib
Perhaps you could help us with our demands
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An alliance ? No problemo, just give us Sanitation, Gems, Coal and 329gpt 
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December 20, 2002, 16:09
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Infogrames won't do a thing about it. There's no way they sell enough Spanish versions of the game to justify any more than their pathetic efforts thus far.
They're a "bottom-line only" company at this point
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December 20, 2002, 18:08
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Originally posted by FNBrown
They're a "bottom-line only" company at this point
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Unfortunately And for that, I hope they fall!
POWER TO THE MASSES!!!!!!
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December 20, 2002, 18:42
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I feel your pain
It sucks that Firaxis has you on the low end of the Totem pole, but they can't complete all of the versions at the same time (although yiou would think they would at least have a 1.29 version by now) In the US; Mac users are experiencing similar problems to yours, and they are not a happy group of people either.
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December 20, 2002, 20:52
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Just buy the US version and stop whining. You'll all be Americans in a few decades anyway; you might as well get a head start on your assimilation.
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December 20, 2002, 20:54
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I fully support you on this. Wish we could really do something about the awkward behaviour of this publisher on so many issues by now. It looks like the only thing we can do is not buying their stuff until we are sure it does what it promises to do.
Unfortunately we always hope for the best and buy it anyway. Stupid we.
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