1270 A.d. Turnchat - Get Your Saves Right Here

Arnelos · December 21, 2002, 10:38

This is the thread for saves for the 1270 A.D. turnchat.

I'm now in the chatroom, but I'll be AFK while I help my brother unpack (he showed up 10 minutes ago). That will likely mean that chat will start 10-15 minutes LATE, but I'm told that someone is finishing up their orders as we speak anyhow.

I'll stick the save in here when I'm back from helping my little bro' unpack.

E_T · December 21, 2002, 11:11

but no upgrades. We'll still have to move some stuff, if we get the o.k. to shell some Germans.

E_T

Shiber · December 21, 2002, 11:19

A thin turnout so far. Come on people! War with Germany!

E_T · December 21, 2002, 12:18

Best turnout that we've had in quite a while

E_T

Shiber · December 21, 2002, 12:23

Yeah, getting more crowded in here.
In fact, too crowded... air, getting, thin... can't breath... MUST... ESCAPE!!
NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Arnelos · December 21, 2002, 13:20

Here is the mid-turn (1270 A.D.) save.

PW orders complete
CP orders complete
Rubber sold to India for 42 LPT + their WM

Current debate is over whether to sell rubber to Aztecs for 66 LPT + their WM.

Posting save so that everyone is on the same page.

adaMada · December 21, 2002, 13:53

Grrr -- I forgot this was happening again

. I keep missing chats...

I'll be back in about thirty minutes, and will be there then

.

-- adaMada

Shiber · December 21, 2002, 14:42

Quote:

Originally posted by adaMada
I keep missing chats...

We miss you too.

Arnelos · December 21, 2002, 14:43

Here's the situation around Berlin (screenshot as I said I'd provide in the chat):

Panag · December 21, 2002, 14:44

hi ,

get RR with mine !

have a nice day

Arnelos · December 21, 2002, 14:45

I really should have taken a larger area and made that a gif... oh well

Panag · December 21, 2002, 15:03

Quote:

Originally posted by Arnelos
I really should have taken a larger area and made that a gif... oh well

hi ,

Aro shall probably do it when he has time , ....

have a nice day

Arnelos · December 21, 2002, 15:25

Turn 1 (1270 A.D.):

Sold India rubber for 42 LPT + their WM
Sold Aztecs Replaceable Parts for 66 LPT + their WM
Slider moved to 70% science - Scientific Method in 3 turns, Income 636 LPT
England asked to leave - their units depart our territory
WAR STARTS... we invade with explorers to rip up territory. Some English and German units are in the way. We kill the Germans, hope the one stack of english (rifleman, swordsman, archer) pillages at Berlin #8 when they start the war with Germany (almost certainly next turn).
5 Artillery took up position northeast of Seeberg and shelled German forces in the mountains south of Hamburg
8 Artillery took up position west of Abandonment and shelled the German city of Hamburg (damaged all 3 veteran riflemen, KILLED CITIZENS - Hamburg now down to Pop 11)

Between Turns

Zulus frigate+galley combos move past Uber Isle on north and south
England moves very large stack of riflemen and swords to west of Nuremberg
England moves some warriors to east of Abandoment (in our territory)
Germans capture a few (I think 4) of our explorerers
Germans attack "Death Row Inmates" swordsman on our border - MPP's ACTIVATED
GREECE DECLARES WAR ON GERMANY
IROQUIOS DECLARE WAR ON GERMANY
ENGLAND DECLARES WAR ON GERMANY
RUSSIA DECLARES WAR ON GERMANY
JAPAN DECLARES WAR ON GERMANY
German rifleman attacking our swordsman IS DEFEATED BY THE SWORDSMAN

Second German rifleman finishes off our swordsman
German swordsman attacks our Cavalry east of Berlin and looses - Cavalry promoted to elite
2 more German units attack our Cavalry (a rifle from the south, causing it to retreat north, then a unit from the north, killing it)
German forces begin to retreat en masse from border, additional German reinforcements brought into Berlin/Hamburg area
Germans capture all but 2 of our explorers
Greek forces start retreating en masse from our territory
Roman ironclad and galleon combo continue to move along Babylon/Russian shoreline toward Uber Isle
Aztec forces fight battles with a German rifleman north of San Cortes and lose

Arnelos · December 21, 2002, 17:04

Turn 2 (1275 A.D.):

Our Ironclad was moved 3 SW and fortified. We are now in sight of the Roman ironclad/galleon combo 2 SW of us
3 artillery bombard Hamburg and the first destroyed the barracks, the other two cause no damage
2 cavalry attack shellshocked Germans southwest of Hamburg and kill 2 rifles (1 cav damaged in the process)
Elite knight kills the German longbowman southeast of Hamburg
3 artillery bombard Hamburg and 2 do no damage and the third damages a veteran rifle by 1 hitpoint
2 artillery bombard Hamburg and one does no damage while the other damages a veteran rifle by 1 hitpoint
1 artillery bombards Hamburg and KILLS CITIZENS - Hamburg now Pop 10
3 artillery bombard Hamburg and 2 do no damage and the third damages a veteran rifle by 2 hitpoints
3 artillery bombard Hamburg and KILL CITIZENS (Hamburg now Pop 9), 2 veteran rifles damaged 1 and 2 hitpoints respectively
5 artillery bombard Hamburg and 3 do no damage, the fourth destroys the temple, and the fifth damages a veteran rifle by 1 hitpoint
The two remaining explorers move around Berlin and continue to pillage... we are unable to pillage the tile north of Berlin because there is a German worker on it
Draft at Loveshack (10 happy people to 9 happy people)

Between Turns

Zulus move frigate and galley past Lower Ghengland
Zulus move frigate and galley north past AGC
English stack east of Abandonment heads back into English territory
China declares war on the Aztecs
Germans move 12 units (10 riflemen and 2 longbows) out of Hamburg. Several of them move into our territory near Abandonment
Aztecs defeat German rifleman that was threatening New York
Greeks continue to retreat forces from our territory near Here It Is
Greeks invade Germany with small stack of infantry from Aztec territory. Greek stack now 2 SW of Cologne
Roman ironclad and galleon bypass our ironclad and continue heading for Uber Isle

Shiber · December 21, 2002, 17:13

Weren't a few peace treaties supposed to be renegotiated this turn?

Arnelos · December 21, 2002, 18:15

YOU MAY CALL HIM MENTUHOTEP

Aidun · December 21, 2002, 18:20

Well done! With some astonishment i'm looking at the turnchat. Perfect strategy!

Arnelos · December 21, 2002, 18:35

HAMBURG FALLS TO APOLYTONIAN ADVANCE

Arnelos · December 21, 2002, 18:43

Posting mid-turn save for SMC E_T to look at.

=OttomusCeasar= · December 21, 2002, 19:04

What are we doing with the GL?

And please do not say "sit on him and waste all other chances at generating more GLs".

We could rush Universal Sufferage somewhere and have The Forbidden City switch to Palace or something to save the shields its produced.

E_T · December 21, 2002, 19:08

We will be discussing it and not finishing the turn

E_T

Arnelos · December 21, 2002, 19:08

Turn 3 (1280 A.D.):

Our ironclad bombards Roman ironclad - Roman ironclad loses 2 hitpoints
All remaining rifles upgraded to infantry
3 artillery bombard Hamburg and KILL CITIZENS (Pop=8), damage a veteran rifle by 1 hitpoint, and destroy the library
2 artillery bombard German rifle stack in our territory and damage one veteran rifle by 1 hitpoint and another by 2 hitpoints
3 artillery bombard Hamburg and 2 caused no damage while the third hit one veteran rifle for 1 hitpoint
3 artillery bombard Hamburg and a veteran rifle loses 2 hitpoints, KILL CITIZENS (Pop=7), and the third did no damage
3 artillery bombard Hamburg and a veteran rifle loses 1 hitpoint, and the other two cause no damage
3 artillery bombard Hamburg and destroy the cathedral, a veteran rifle loses 1 hitpoint, and the third does no damage
3 artillery bombard Hamburg and a 3/4 rifle becomes 1/4, a 3/4 rifle becomes 1/4, a 3/4 rifle becomes 2/4
2 artillery bombard Hamburg and one does no damage while the other reduces a 3/4 rifle to 2/4
ARMY attacks Hamburg and loses 1 hp from canon bombardment, 3 more hp while defeating a 3/4 rifle
Elite cavalry defeats 2/4 rifle in Hamburg (elite cav now 4/5)
Elite cavalry dies attacking a 2/4 rifle in Hamburg, knocking it down to 1/4
Elite cavalry defeates 2/4 rifle in Hamburg (elite cav now 4/5) AND PRODUCES A GREAT LEADER
GREAT LEADER IS NAMED MENTUHOTEP
Veteran cavalry defeats 2/4 rifle in Hamburg (takes no damage and is promoted to elite)
Veteran cavalry defeats 1/4 rifle in Hamburg (takes no damage)
Veteran cavalry defeats 1/4 rifle in Hamburg (takes 3 hp in damage)
Veteran cavalry killed while attacking 1/4 rifle in Hamburg, German rifle promoted to elite (now 2/5)
Veteran cavalry defeats 2/5 rifle in Hamburg (takes 2 hp in damage)
Veteran cavalry defeats 3/3 longbow in Hamburg (takes 1 hp in damage), captures German canon
HAMBURG TAKEN (2 resistors)
HAMBURG ABANDONED by order of Supreme Military Commander E_T
Howitzerville founded on former Hamburg site (my named idea

)
Veteran cavalry attacks regular rifle (3/3) south of Berlin (rifle now 2/3, Cav now 1/4, and retreats)
Veteran cavalry defeats 2/3 rifle south of Berlin (cav loses 2 hp)
Slider tweaked down to 60% - Scientific Method in 1 turn, Income 804 LPT

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TURN IS NOT COMPLETE... SMC WILL COMPLETE TURN AND SAVE SO SENATE MAY DEBATE WHAT TO DO WITH THE GREAT LEADER

E_T · December 21, 2002, 21:09

Heres the Save.

E_T

E_T · December 21, 2002, 21:14

Heres the Chat Log

E_T

Spiffor · December 22, 2002, 02:26

Did you guys really hold the chat for more than 9 hours ?

Kloreep · December 22, 2002, 02:40

Quote:

Originally posted by Spiffor

Did you guys really hold the chat for more than 9 hours ?

I was only popped in for about 15-30 minutes, but I guess so...

Such are war turnchats.

Shiber · December 22, 2002, 03:48

I don't see why we had to abandon Hamburg. We could have used it as a worker factory and produce slaves out of all the foreign population before abandoning it.

E_T · December 22, 2002, 04:07

There are several reasons that Hamburg was abandonded:

1) it's close Proximity to Berlin, which has a very high cultural rating, would make flipping it very easy. We would have had to keep a very large force their to try to prevent that.

2) It having Resistors, would increase the chance of it flipping, thereby requiring a larger force to try to prevent that.

3) is would take a while to pair it down for worker factory/starving off, which would tie up the flip prevention force and still have the danger of flipping

4) If the war does last a fair amount of time, the increasing Unhappiness will make it hard to keep it from flipping again.

5) There was nothing of value there to warrent keeping it

Notice a thread of concerns.... Being ours from the start and getting a 1 turn rush of a Temple will help with the flipping issue very nicely. We won't be forced to keep a larger force their.

War Is hell, so they say and I intend to make the Germans realize that.....

Just to let you know, I intend to do the same with Stuttgart, but the new City will be 1 tile further south than it is. I also plan on saving the Settler from Abandonment for Frankfurt. If there is nothing of value to really warrent keeping it, then it goes too.

Because the Senate wishes to save taking Berlin until the end of the War, that Is what this Office will do to take and Keep what is ours, until Berlin Falls.

E_T

Shiber · December 22, 2002, 06:06

I honestly still don't understand why we couldn't have garrisoned Hamburg with some of our conscripts (perhaps I should review the save again), but I have always respected your judgement E_T.

roadcage · December 22, 2002, 10:25

Shiber, I can only assume that you have not bothered to read E_T's reply. It's really simple. It's also one of the ten principals of war.

ECONOMY OF FORCE