"Beatles" legacy of greed.

Docfeelgood · December 24, 2002, 05:04

I have been a "Beatles" fan most of my life so this caught my eye in the paper.

Paul wants his name first in the Lennon/Mcartney credits for the "Beatle" songs. Also Paul and Yoko are arguing over the roalties to "Yesterday".

Both these people have enough money that they could wipe there azzes with hundred dollar bills for the rest of there lives and still have money to burn just makes me sic. Greed at its best!

Ya know "Sir" Paul you should have said something about the order of the names when the other party was still alive!

Whats up with this "SIR" sh!T?

Only the wealthy and famous can be knighted?
This display of greed is not very knightly.

My2cents

TheStinger · December 24, 2002, 05:07

He wants to do it for the reason that alot of people assume that Lennon wrote all teh good songs and was the main man in the beatles, after all these years it must piss him off.

BTW you don't have to call him Sir if you don't want to

Graag · December 24, 2002, 05:08

I dig that he wants credit where it's due him, but to do it now after all these years, he just seems small and twatish.

Nubclear · December 24, 2002, 05:53

Yes sir.

Rufus T. Firefly · December 24, 2002, 06:17

It's worth remembering that the Beatles don't control much of their own catalogue -- and that, in fact, much of it is controlled by evil, evil Michael Jackson.

On the other hand, unless this is just an urban legend, Paul does own the rights to "White Christmas," so he really should stop whining.

TheStinger · December 24, 2002, 06:20

He's only doing it on 1 album.

Seneca · December 24, 2002, 06:34

This is the group that could write 'All you need is Love' at the same time as whinging about their tax bill in 'Taxman'. Great riff, crappy sentiment...

TheStinger · December 24, 2002, 06:36

If you were paying 98% marginal tax you would moan too

Seneca · December 24, 2002, 06:50

95% - 'one for you nineteen for me'.

Completely different.

KaiserIsak · December 24, 2002, 07:53

Actually it was George who made Taxman and John who made "All you need is love", so it is not like it was the same person.

And i understand that Paul wants his name first on the songs he created, cause all the people i talk to believes that John made them all, while Paul really made songs like Yesterday, Let it be, Hey Jude, All my loving, And i love her, Michelle, Sgt. Peppers, Penny Lane and many other of their greatest hits. For me Paul has always been the greatest of the two. But i admit that John is a better poet.

Dis · December 24, 2002, 14:35

It's a shame. They seemed to be on their best when they were together. This is what power,money, and fancy title do to ya

Zero · December 24, 2002, 14:50

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Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly
It's worth remembering that the Beatles don't control much of their own catalogue -- and that, in fact, much of it is controlled by evil, evil Michael Jackson.

On the other hand, unless this is just an urban legend, Paul does own the rights to "White Christmas," so he really should stop whining.

I also heard Paul owned rights to "happy birthday". Imagine THAT.

Drogue · December 24, 2002, 15:32

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Originally posted by Docfeelgood
Both these people have enough money that they could wipe there azzes with hundred dollar bills for the rest of there lives and still have money to burn just makes me sic. Greed at its best!

I don't think it's about money, I think it's about recognition. If it's true (and Paul did most of the writing) then it seems sensible to me. If it's not true, then it should stay the same. IMO, more recognition should go to who wrote more of the song.

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Originally posted by Docfeelgood
Ya know "Sir" Paul you should have said something about the order of the names when the other party was still alive!

I don't think he cared at the time, he was more concerned with making music from what I know (not much

) I think he's more concerned now with being remembered, and as it is, I think people will remember Lennon long after they've forgotten McCartney (Imagine is better than anything the Beatles collectively wrote IMHO)

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Originally posted by Docfeelgood
Whats up with this "SIR" sh!T?
Only the wealthy and famous can be knighted?

No, he was knighted for 'services to music', and IMHO, one of the few people who deserve it.

I admit it is a little suspect, but I think Lennon was better post Beatles, so I'd just give in to McCartney on those songs, he was a large part of it.

Imran Siddiqui · December 24, 2002, 16:16

I don't think it is that bad that he wants his name first on some of the songs he did. I mean "Yesterday" was ALL Paul. No other Beatle had any hand in it. He simply wants to be remembered as being more than John's sidekick.

Hueij · December 24, 2002, 16:27

Hehe. Let him have his name first on Yesterday. John Lennon wouldn't mind, he thought it was muzak. And he was right...

KaiserIsak · December 24, 2002, 18:42

Actually only a few songs were true "lennon/mccartney". I can only think of "with a little help from your friends" and "a day in the life". While the rest of the songs were either pure Mccartney og pure Lennon. The songs i mentioned earlier was all PURE McCartney songs. Pure Lennon songs include Revolution, All you need is Love and Come togheter, and quiet a few of their first hits.

During the Beatle age, there is no doubt that Paul was greater then John, but John had one thing that Paul does not have. The ability to write great lyrics. Just think of Imagine. That song could never have been writen by Paul. Paul instead writes silly lovesongs like Yesterday and Michelle. But the melody in Imagine is nothing special, while the melody in Yesterday is phenomenal. So they have different roles the two of them. Paul is the best song composer, while John is the best lyric writer.

By the way John loved Yesterday. He even sings about it in the song "How do you sleep" (on Imagine). This is a kind of "i hate you Paul" song and he sings: "all you did was Yesterday". John always wished that he had made that song.

Hueij · December 24, 2002, 18:54

Quote:

"all you did was Yesterday"

"But you're just another day"

More songs written by both of them are "She Loves You" and "I Want To Hold Your Hand". And there are more, just can't remember right now.

Anyway, it were the Lennon songs that had the greater impact at the time ("Within You, Without You", "And Your Bird Can Sing", Whoaah). I remember hearing them for the first time way back then and I never heard anything like that before (nor after).

MRT144 · December 24, 2002, 18:57

for gods sake, no one gives a **** about a pissing match between a crotchety old man and a dead mans monkey

Hueij · December 24, 2002, 19:00

We do...

MRT144 · December 24, 2002, 19:05

well if it was between john bonnham and jimmy paige maybe id care

Hueij · December 24, 2002, 19:11

Hahaha, come on... seriously...

MRT144 · December 24, 2002, 19:16

or angus young and bonn scott

Hueij · December 24, 2002, 19:25

Right...

MRT144 · December 24, 2002, 19:42

really though, lennon's monkey and mccartney would get their asses savagley beaten in a fight. I dont want to see two weenies who cant hold a pint in the pub duke it out...

and im not a beatles fan

Hueij · December 24, 2002, 19:47

Oh? I thought we were talking music. And since you are not a Beatles fan, why do you post in a Beatles thread?

Like Lennon wrote: One thing you can't hide...

MRT144 · December 24, 2002, 19:58

i respect the beatles but i dont have mania about them like some fanboys

Imran Siddiqui · December 24, 2002, 23:17

Or, you mean just about everyone on Earth who considers them the greatest band ever. If not the greatest than at the very least the most influential.

Zylka · December 24, 2002, 23:40

THE BEATLES RUINED VANILLA SKY

MRT144 · December 25, 2002, 01:43

imran, you need to stop using absolutes...

I dont think they are the greatest band ever because something like this is a subjective opinion. I think they were good at writing popular music(excluding ringo), but they werent phenominal musicians, and they dont really move me.

Sure they were very influential but we have had an arguement about this before and you were arguing the other side of the coin in it.

I just really hate when people think the last good band were the beatles.

KaiserIsak · December 25, 2002, 13:23

"Anyway, it were the Lennon songs that had the greater impact at the time ("Within You, Without You", "And Your Bird Can Sing", Whoaah). I remember hearing them for the first time way back then and I never heard anything like that before (nor after"
Within you without you is a Harrison song.

And i would´nt say Lennon made the with the most inpact on time. Just look upon "sgt peppers lonely hearts club band", which is the record with most impact ever:
Sgt Peppers lonely hearts club band (Paul)
With a little help from you friends (John/Paul)
Lucy in the sky with diamonds (John)
Getting better (Paul)
Fixing a hole (Paul)
Shes leaving Home (Paul)
Being for the benefit of mister kite (John)
Within you without you (George)
When im 64 (Paul)
Lovely Rita (Paul)
Good morning (John)
Sgt. Peppers lonely hearts club band Reprise (Paul)
A day in the life (John/Paul)

I would say this speaks for itself.