Why the US has to be and should be "imperialist"

Al B. Sure! · January 7, 2003, 18:38

ideally, major nations should not be pushing smaller countries around but it's bound to happen... and it's far better that the US is involving itself in the affairs of foreign nations than having China or some other country do the same...

why? because the US is a superior country. aside from the higher standard of living of americans compared to the Chinese, for example, the US is also on a higher level of nation as the US is an idealogical nation. China (as well as nearly every country in the world) is an ethnic state... a Chinese empire would undoubtedly oppress the non-Chinese and base their entire nation on racialism. The US has great ethnic diversity and, because of this, is a more socially advanced country.

better the US than the Chinese or the Russians or whoever else...

thanks

lightblue · January 7, 2003, 18:41

To be fair though, the Chinese aren't trying to force their culture on people, they're about as isolationist as they come.

But I agree with you in a way. If intervention of any kind by Western nations leads to improved human rights/living conditions for the people of that area we should definitely consider it.

DinoDoc · January 7, 2003, 18:41

I can already feel the heat.

Arrian · January 7, 2003, 18:45

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why? because the US is a superior country.

Bear in mind that most other people in the world don't really agree with this.

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a Chinese empire would undoubtedly oppress the non-Chinese and base their entire nation on racialism.

Maybe, maybe not. But right now China is only really oppressing Tibet and its own population. It hasn't been very imperial for some time now.

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ideally, major nations should not be pushing smaller countries around but it's bound to happen

There is the concept of sovereignty, which most people take rather seriously.

Imperial America is a terrible idea. It does not exist, but there are those nutjobs who want it to (see "hawks in Bush Administration" for more).

-Arrian

Arrian · January 7, 2003, 18:46

Oh, and Dino I agree: I suspect this will get some lively responses.

I was going to do more... but I just don't have the energy.

-Arrian

orange · January 7, 2003, 18:49

A) The US is not a 'superior' country.

B) In the city, diversity may abound. But the reality is different...we're still, on whole, a nation dominated (demographically) by Whites and Christians.

C) Just because we're more powerful militarily and economically does not mean that we have the right to play the father figure to other nations. We should use our influence whenever possible, and do our best to encourage our ideals, but we should never physically force these on others. I feel we should only act under the United Nations to solve problems within other nations, when all other options have been exhausted - never acting in such a way on our own.

Al B. Sure! · January 7, 2003, 18:50

Arrian:

The United States is, without a doubt, the most socially advanced society in the world...

pre-civilized tribes were family oriented... you lived for your clan... as civilization developed, the emphasis switched to racial groups... nations were made up of racial groups (ie- germany made of germans... france made of french... china of chinese...)... the United States is one of the few nations to reach the next level, being an ethnically diverse, idealogical nation...

we are superior in terms of the progress of civilization...

The Andy-Man · January 7, 2003, 18:52

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The US has great ethnic diversity and, because of this, is a more socially advanced country

The USA is the country that destroyed an entire civilisation and oppressed the black population until 1968.....

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aside from the higher standard of living of americans

Thats a matter of opinion, Personaly I think the US has the worst standard of living, the desire for profit and nothing more is not a humane one imo.

Bugs ****ing Bunny · January 7, 2003, 18:52

Great.

"Vanilla Ice does politics".

monkspider · January 7, 2003, 18:54

I think most people in the world would consider Europe to be more advanced socially Alb.
Does that mean we should surrender to our new benevolent European masters?

DinoDoc · January 7, 2003, 18:54

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Originally posted by Albert Speer
ideally, major nations should not be pushing smaller countries around but it's bound to happen...

This is about the only factual part of the first post given the complete lack of a status quo great power.

The Andy-Man · January 7, 2003, 18:57

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we are superior in terms of the progress of civilization...

That is absolute crap. The whole of the mnodern world will be lucky to even reach the level of the Ancient Greeks. Don't tell me a country made up of red necks and paticularly stupid middle class is the most progressive.

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pre-civilized tribes were family oriented...

A sign of how un progressive the USA is, what is more important then your family and friends?

Datajack Franit · January 7, 2003, 18:57

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The US has great ethnic diversity and, because of this, is a more socially advanced country.

Think twice before posting such kind of trash in this forum

Now please forgive us poor, inferior europeans/africans/asians

DinoDoc · January 7, 2003, 19:01

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Originally posted by monkspider
I think most people in the world would consider Europe to be more advanced socially Alb.

We had European nation be "hegemon." It didn't turn out so well.

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Now please forgive us poor, inferior europeans/africans/asians

NO! Off to the stockade with the lot of you!

Al B. Sure! · January 7, 2003, 19:02

monkspider:

how in god's name is the US not the most socially advanced nation in the world... Germany is a racial nation... Sweden is a racial nation... in terms of the progress of civilization, those are inferior forms of statehood. a multi-national idealogical nation (ie- to an extent the Roman Empire and the various Islamic Caliphates in the past... and now, much more pronounced, the US) is superior...

thanks

Bereta_Eder · January 7, 2003, 19:04

Albert

_none of the countries in europe are a "racial" nation. all have large immigration populations to a lesser or wider respect integrated.

_there is no way something can be classified as "superior" to something else since "superior" is judged by different critria by each one.

Lancer · January 7, 2003, 19:06

Don't listen to all this piss ants, we're better than they are.

Datajack Franit · January 7, 2003, 19:07

And I thought Fez was a dope

Trifna · January 7, 2003, 19:07

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Originally posted by Albert Speer
ideally, major nations should not be pushing smaller countries around but it's bound to happen... and it's far better that the US is involving itself in the affairs of foreign nations than having China or some other country do the same...

why? because the US is a superior country. aside from the higher standard of living of americans compared to the Chinese, for example, the US is also on a higher level of nation as the US is an idealogical nation. China (as well as nearly every country in the world) is an ethnic state... a Chinese empire would undoubtedly oppress the non-Chinese and base their entire nation on racialism. The US has great ethnic diversity and, because of this, is a more socially advanced country.

better the US than the Chinese or the Russians or whoever else...

thanks

I thought it was a satire, but seems not after seeing the replies... so here's my 2 cents.

America beeing superior: in what?
Here is in what it has serious problems proposing it is not:
- Average capacity to buy went down so much that the double revenues may not suffice (two parents working)
- USA is the country with the most people in prison
- USA has some problems of many sorts and a president that made his cash from post-1991 Iraq (thx to father) that wasn't elected by majority of population's voices
- USA's politicians seriously want Iraq for its oil and it's not humanitarian

Exemple: Your politicians (not the population, who's not daily informed about such things...) placed Saddam to power because he gave advantages on oil, then they went against when he went against them ; and it wasn't humanitarian since USA knew he was using chemical stuff and all on Iran and Iraqi civilians, with their support.

The problem is simple and it's not the Americans. It's that the people who control USA are the WORST Americans. As any country, the worst people aren't good... Instead, they support oil lobby and other important corporations.

The Andy-Man · January 7, 2003, 19:08

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how in god's name is the US not the most socially advanced nation in the world... Germany is a racial nation... Sweden is a racial nation... in terms of the progress of civilization, those are inferior forms of statehood. a multi-national idealogical nation (ie- to an extent the Roman Empire and the various Islamic Caliphates in the past... and now, much more pronounced, the US) is superior...

erm, you sdound like a nazi.

Also, what is so important about race? Just because eveyone in Sweden is swedish, i guess they are an inferior country.

I mean, look how stupid the average american is (no offense ment to americans, but it is true in many cases, and its not US specific, britain is started to build up quite an amazingly brain dead middle class right now).

What gives the USA such supremacy over everyone else? just because it has lots of different races means nothing, Britain is full of 'races' : Scots, Welsh, English, Pakistani, Indian, Jewish, Irish, and has had a history full of imigration from the Celts and romans, to the vikings and saxons. So I guess, considering Britain has have 2000 years of this to the USA's 400, I guess that Britain should rulle the world instead.

Lancer · January 7, 2003, 19:09

I lost my mind there for a sec.

Though Americans are a bit smarter than anyone else...and alot better looking!

DinoDoc · January 7, 2003, 19:10

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Originally posted by Trifna
- USA's politicians seriously want Iraq for its oil and it's not humanitarian

That's one of the wierdest things I have ever heard given the fact that Iraq is more than willing to sell oil to the US.

lightblue · January 7, 2003, 19:21

The whole race theory is bunk, but then you seem to like to turn everything to race... Some of the European countries have very high percentages of recent immigrants (Luxembourg 40%, Netherlands ~20%) as well as whole populations (like the french Huguenotes) mixing earlier. Neither did we take till the 1960's to give equal rights to people of a different colour.

Any country where 50 years ago apartheid ruled can hardly make a claim to be the most civilised country in the world. And if we go by quality of living Scandinavian countries are so far ahead of you it is not funny anymore (social healthcare -check; 100% literacy - check; low crime rates - check; etc;etc)

Ben Kenobi · January 7, 2003, 19:41

"The United States is, without a doubt, the most socially advanced society in the world."

-Albert Speer

What about....

CANADA

DinoDoc · January 7, 2003, 19:43

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Originally posted by obiwan18
What about....

CANADA

You are just a backwater territory of ours though.

Kontiki · January 7, 2003, 19:45

Oh, wow. Statements like this almost make Fez look like a deep-thinking genius. But what the hell, I'll play along.

First, let me make my own nationalistic statement that Canada is probably the most socially advanced country on the planet - and the UN would agree (ok, we slipped to number 2 last year

) The US is simply the most productive country in the world, which does not equal socially advanced.

Second, if you want to consider why the US is as powerful as it is, the answer is simple - it is a massive country, blessed with more natural resources than any other (ok, maybe Russia is comparable) and has never had a proximate competitor or threat of attack. It has nothing to do with an inherent "greatness" of the American people, especially since the American people over the years have been largely from other countries anyway.

Third, .... why bother. The arguement is just so asinine.

Tuberski · January 7, 2003, 19:50

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Originally posted by Kontiki
Third, .... why bother. The arguement is just so asinine.

You will notice that asinine starts with Albert's initials.

ACK!

orange · January 7, 2003, 19:51

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Originally posted by The Andy-Man
erm, you sdound like a nazi.

Look at his handle

My favourite posts have been those which compare Fez to Speer

It's pretty bad when you're seen as worse than Fez.

Datajack Franit · January 7, 2003, 20:05

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My favourite posts have been those which compare Fez to Speer It's pretty bad when you're seen as worse than Fez.

The next thing will be Speer writing me PMs like "I want to **** and *** all over you my gay apolytener *****" as good ol' Fez used to

Trifna · January 8, 2003, 10:44

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Originally posted by DinoDoc
That's one of the wierdest things I have ever heard given the fact that Iraq is more than willing to sell oil to the US.

Not at the price US wants it!! They're willing to sell it of course, but not basing on US lobbies' interests.