Small Wonder Ideas

Centauri18 · January 8, 2003, 17:01

Here's some Small Wonder ideas I've come up with. This is kind of sketchy, and it's not like I've actually added them to my game or anything, but it's just some ideas.

Public School System
Requires Education
Requires 5 Universities (or maybe just 5 Libraries)
Adds to Science output throughout the civlilization or Increases Happiness

Bill of Rights
Requires Democracy
Requires 5 Courthouses
Decreases Corruption/Increases Happiness

You know, stuff like that. Any comments?

Colonel Kraken · January 8, 2003, 18:42

I love listening to other people's wonder ideas. There are so many people here who are really well informed about history and/or have some great ideas.

I use a pretty heavily modified game, but I haven't added any new wonders yet, except an additional Forbidden Palace. I call it Provincial Capital and is available in the mid/late Middle Ages.

Colonel Kraken · January 8, 2003, 19:26

Here some really good ideas from Kal-el's DyP Mod.

Amadan · January 9, 2003, 10:29

I have added a couple of small wonders that require the resources to be within the city radius, both add culture and a bit of happiness:

Jewlers - needs gems & gold (gold changed from bonus to strategic)

Shunzu Silk - needs silk and dyes

Centauri18 · January 9, 2003, 13:05

Silk Road as a small wonder, maybe? Or possibly King Solomon's Mines? I know there's no prrof that the latter ever existed, but still...

Centauri18 · January 9, 2003, 13:14

From that Modm as far as Great Wonders go, I like the Sphinx, Empire State Building, Eiffel Tower, Buddha, Las Vegas, Disneyland, and Bible. The Arc de Triumphe might need a victorious army and enable larger armies as well. Edison's Workshop would allow two new techs maybe?
For small wonders, the two extra palaces would be extremely cool. Lessening corruption and allowing you to keep control over your overseas conflicts without too much corruption. Very cool. Holy City? Cool. Supreme Court? Definitely. And have it add a Courthouse to every city on the same continent, maybe? Constitution, also cool. Might need some work, though. Central Bank sounds almost the same as Wall Street, but it shows promise. I like the World News Net (Couldn't the Internet do the same thing?) National Library I love. Sports League is awesome. E-Bank they obviously got from Call to Power II. But then they got a lot of these from Call to Power II.
All in all, if they ever made an expansion with even one or two of these and decent images in the City View screen, well, hell yeah, I'd buy it. They need to change the Internet one in the real game, though. But that's me, going on and on and on, so I'll just end it there.

Optimizer · January 9, 2003, 15:10

I've mentioned these ideas before, but...

In my mod Elephants are a strategic resource required to build War Elephants, which are now available earlier and not restricted to India. To make use of elephants there are following Small Wonders:

National Zoo - requires Horses and Elephants - adds tax, science and luxury income
Safari Park - requires Ecology and Elephants within city radius - adds tax, science and luxuries, and decreases pollution

You can then have a spaceship part called The Ark which can only be built in the city where you have a National Zoo.

Right now I got a cool idea of an early Small Wonder that allows air trade, so that two civs can trade without roads or sea routes. Gotta test it.

Centauri18 · January 9, 2003, 15:35

Awesome.

Colonel Kraken · January 10, 2003, 14:46

Nice, Optimizer, thanks for the ideas.

Optimizer · January 10, 2003, 20:02

Instead of small wonders that allow air trade, I'm trying to link a great wonder to each luxury resource. Silk has the Silk Route, Wines has the Champagne District, Furs has the Hudson Bay Company and so on. Each of them allows trade with each other civ that has a similar wonder.

Ive renamed Wall Street to Central Bank.

Centauri18 · January 10, 2003, 20:09

Wouldn't it be a small wonder for each special resource?

Optimizer · January 11, 2003, 08:16

No, then they would be too easy to build, and most civs would get the advantage to trade without trade route.

Centauri18 · January 11, 2003, 16:26

Oh.

Murkel · January 12, 2003, 14:43

Optimizer:
How do you get it work, that a Civ could trade with a civ which has a similar wonder ?

Centauri18 · January 13, 2003, 21:20

Transcontinental Railroad for a small wonder? Or maybe the Olympics? I think that the Olympics could be included in Civ3, at least in the twentieth century. Like every four years one of the five greatest cities gets the Olympics, and a Golden Age for that city for the next few turns. If the Greatest City title does not change hands, then the second-greatest would get a turn, then the third, and so forth until the first city gets it again.

Optimizer · January 17, 2003, 12:12

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Originally posted by Murkel
Optimizer:
How do you get it work, that a Civ could trade with a civ which has a similar wonder ?

I simply give the Air Trade flag to those wonders.

I've added the Olympic Games as a great wonder. It doubles the effects of Colosseums.

Centauri18 · January 17, 2003, 22:32

Okay. Does it trigger a Golden Age at all?
And maybe you could have a World's Fair as a small wonder? After all, the Space Needle in Seattle and even the Eiffel Tower in Paris were built especially for a World's Fair held in their respective home cities.
Seattle - 1963, Paris - 19??

mrboo123 · January 18, 2003, 12:32

Fixas WERE has to seen SOMEONE out to get all these good ideas, and I have a Great Wonder when only abaivebe after someone builds the Mattanle protect... Alret Bay, use to see a nuke come for 2 turn away!

Optimizer · January 18, 2003, 12:44

I can't make the Olympics trigger Golden Ages in any other way than the usual ones. I don't know what would be its best trait, though.

123john321: I don't understand what you're saying. Can you please reformulate yourself?

mrboo123 · January 18, 2003, 12:53

Quote:

Originally posted by Optimizer
(...)123john321: I don't understand what you're saying. Can you please reformulate yourself?

I get that alot....

Anyways, I was TRYING to say was:

Fixas SHOULD send SOMEONE to see all these good ideas, and I have a Great Wonder when only can only build when someone build the Mattanle protect (the one you get to build nukes with.) Alter Bay, use to see a nuke come for 2 turn away!

Optimizer · January 18, 2003, 12:58

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Originally posted by 123john321
I have a Great Wonder when only can only build when someone build the Mattanle protect (the one you get to build nukes with.) Alter Bay, use to see a nuke come for 2 turn away!

Is that a wonder that you have created with the editor, or one that you hope to be included in a future Civ game?

mrboo123 · January 18, 2003, 13:05

hope to be created in a future Civ game.

Centauri18 · January 18, 2003, 16:47

That's very true about the whole Olympics thing. Well, the knowledge that you're going to hold the Olympics creates a lot of growth in a city - new facilities, new stadiums and such. I mean, look at how much Atlanta changed for the '96 games.
And I also like the idea of the Sports League as a small wonder.

MoonWolf · January 20, 2003, 10:40

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Originally posted by 123john321

I get that alot....

Anyways, I was TRYING to say was:

Fixas SHOULD send SOMEONE to see all these good ideas, and I have a Great Wonder when only can only build when someone build the Mattanle protect (the one you get to build nukes with.) Alter Bay, use to see a nuke come for 2 turn away!

Don't drink so much...

It will be a kind of unreal, don't you think? I see your point, but knowing what would happen in a 2 years ahead will be quite... strange. I think this is already reflected in the game by letting the nukes survive nuclear attacks. This simulate an "instant" counterattack.

mrboo123 · January 20, 2003, 17:43

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Originally posted by MoonWolf
Don't drink so much...

I DON'T DRINK!!!!!!!!!!!! (And yes, I do see the

there...)

Centauri18 · January 21, 2003, 19:59

In my opinion, you shouldn't be able to build a spaceship to another star just because you've sent men to the moon. I know this would take a bit of modification, but what about The Mars Project as a small wonder that lets you build spaceship parts. The Apollo Program would be required, of course.

MoonWolf · January 22, 2003, 04:22

The Mars Project? Would be great with something like that! I feel winning the Space race now is a bit too easy once you start heading for it.

How far away is Alpha Centauri? It's about 4 light years, right? If it is, it's actually possible to reach with today's technology if the project is given enough resources and someone is willing to give up their lifetime for it. I think it's possible to gain 10% of lightspeed meaning it will take 40 years to go there (considering the warriors in Civ3 use 50 years for a single square in the early ages, that's not so bad!).

Centauri18 · January 22, 2003, 06:22

Way too easy to get there in all the Civ games. Maybe the Mars Project, then development of cryonics (freezing tubes and such) or some form of hibernation. That would be the only way you could really do it, unless you had an absolutely HUGE ship with enough resources to support a crew for forty years... and train replacements... well, you see the problem. No mention of Cryonics of hibernation in the game.
And I know that we're nowhere near either of those technologies.
Also, if we had a crew sleeping for that long, who would pilot the ship? A computer? A computer, even now, in the nearly twenty-first century, could not pilot a ship that long without having some need for diagnostics, or it would either pilot the ship off course or go nuts (One word: HAL.) and that, of course, would be a problem.
And Alpha Centauri is the closest star to us. We would have to at least put a man on Mars before we could even consider putting a man on a planet orbiting another star.
Also, we'd have to confirm that there even was a planet orbiting Alpha Centauri. It's a planet in a double-star system [triple-star if you count Alpha Centauri C (Proxima Centauri)] and that would be impossible to handle with modern spacesuits.
SO many problems that only a trip to Mars would be able to even partially solve.
We've never landed on a planet with an alien atmosphere, and they expect us to believe that we could go straight from the Moon to a planet orbiting an alien star? Yeah, right.
There are dozens of things that point out that we'd have to go to Mars before the stars.
You could write a book on the necessity of a Mars mission on the road to colonizing space (which would be awesome in future Civ games, in my opinion, Test of Time got it almost right), which I also believe is the next logical step in the growth of humanity. Any day now, a huge meteor or comet could wipe us all out because we have all our eggs in one basket, as it were.
But that is another story.

Homunculus · January 22, 2003, 13:18

some wonder ideas:

east india company gives harbors (and/or commercial docks (PTW) ) in every city
(i know the name is used in many occasions but what the heck

)

unfortunately there is no "not on home continent" or "only one per continent" flag else we could have something like a colonial administration office or something.

colonial charter would allow for cheaper settlers, maybe a slight corruption decrease also

imperial shipyard gives harbors or military docks or something in every city, maybe allow for special ships to be built.

Centauri18 · January 22, 2003, 17:14

I tried the "Habror in every city" ideas. The problem is, it put the harbors in every city, even in the mountains!