Anyone for Iron Curtain PBEM? - Page 15

academia · September 6, 2003, 14:58

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Hmm.. i suggest replacement if Emu doesn't post the turn soon.. I say 2 days. or just kick him out.. We have ALWAYS had to wait 1 month for a turn!

Day 3...
Can i take command of the soviets?

jim panse · September 7, 2003, 05:16

I would say yes as this is really, really WAY to annoying. (Nothing personal against you, Emu, but I want to play, not to wait)

academia · September 7, 2003, 14:49

What do the rest of the players say?

FiGu · September 8, 2003, 10:02

I say... yes!

tanelorn · September 8, 2003, 17:22

I say

I really think that it would be nice if Emu showed up after all, however unlikely.
Again, this is a passtime, nothing is personal. If we don't aprove of something I think we should criticize the act, not the person.

academia · September 8, 2003, 17:47

Ok. i´ll play my turn

yaroslav · September 8, 2003, 18:20

Guys, I've been told that you need a SEATO player. I'll play with SEATO if you don't mind

BTW,I'll be out of city until the 19th of Septmber, so it will be a "delayed" join

academia · September 8, 2003, 18:40

Great news!!!
Russia (no more USSR) signed a cease fire with NATO
However, negotiations will continue between "the western allies" + China and the new russian authorities

I´ll keep you informed about the domestic situation in Russia

academia · September 10, 2003, 00:52

A NEW ERA BEGINS

Many stories have been told about the heroic acts that our soldiers performed during the great patriotic war, 25 years ago. Uncountable russian citizens gave their lives for their motherland in the holy war against the evil nazi Germany.
Certainly, nobody will write new stories about the recent actions that took place once again in russian soil…

Guided by an irresponsible and mediocre leadership, the Soviet Union dug its own grave… and it was finally burnt to ashes.
The lives of countless inocent people ceased to exist during the combined US-NATO-Chinese-SEATO attacks. Military speaking, the entire soviet defense system collapsed. Economically speaking, the economy is facing bankruptcy
Chaos rules the country… but chaos also gives an opportunity. An opportunity to change and rise once again.

In the face of the foreign invasion, morale in the USSR millitary falls tremendously as the common soldiers remember the unhuman treat received during more than 2 decades of Cold War… thousands of soldiers leave the battlefields and return to their home cities to support the people and begin a new revolution...

Riots break out all over the country. Police don´t dare to challenge the crowd… not anymore… it´s time to join them… it´s time to change Russia.
Lenin, Stalin and Marx statues and other soviet era monuments fell everywhere; the Kremlin is sacked and burnt.

People of the free world!!! Listen carefully!!!
The Soviet Union no longer exists. A new democratic government took command of Russia.
Russia will rise again!! It will take time, we know it… but it will happen.

Let´s make this clear:
Western world people, we won´t thank you for what you did in Russia. We don´t appreciate that you merciless killed millions of innocent russians. We owe you nothing.
However, we also like to point out that we are no longer the “Evil Empire” that hates democracy, capitalism, human rights and that other bullshit you said.
Our goal is to become an independent actor in the international community theater. That´s all.

Now Russia must rest, lick its own wounds and grow once again.
Believe us… the russian bear isn´t dead

academia · September 10, 2003, 01:03

Russian Republic diplomatic status:
-Cease fire signed with NATO and USA.
They´ll keep control of the already conquered territories.
American and european troops will also take Sevastopol, Rostov, Kiev and Baku.
This will take about 2 turns, because we have to relocate our troops.

-SEATO
Russia still needs to negotiate with them. USA and NATO presented some demands in name of SEATO, however we´d like to talk to their leaders.
Anyway, Teheran will become part of SEATO.

-China
Russia needs to negotiate with the chinese authorities. No news in this front.

out of character:
Guys, i must talk with Choke and Yaros before i post my turn

FiGu · September 10, 2003, 08:23

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Originally posted by academia
A NEW ERA BEGINS

the russian bear isn´t dead

We know, but the bear was soo badly beaten up by the American Eagle and Nato.. eh something and Chinese something and Seato something

academia · September 11, 2003, 20:29

Russian turn

Political / ideological changes
- The national tricolour flag was adopted once again
- Stalingrad and Leningrad cities recovered their original names of Volgograd and St. Petersburg
- The Liberal Democracy government installed in Russia

Foreign affairs:
- USA and NATO
YOU CAN OCCUPY KIEV AND SEVASTOPOL DURING YOUR NEXT TURN
You have to wait one more turn to take the other cities (Rostov and Baku)

- SEATO
YOU CAN TAKE TEHERAN DURING YOUR NEXT TURN

- Cease fire signed with China
China will give back the cities of Alma-Ata, Tashken and Svobodny (already taken)
In exchange of their generosity, several techs were gifted to China

academia · September 11, 2003, 21:12

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT
After analyzing the results of a soviet and a NATO/USA first strike in different tests, i came to the conclusion that we must do something to prevent these "unrealistic results" of nuclear warfare.
I mean, it´s obvious that in a turn-based game (and in the case of a nuclear war) we face the problem of "the one who strikes first wins / has a considerable advantage"
Because, if you are able to destroy between 90-100% of the nuclear forces of your enemy, you can prevent a nuclear counterattack. AND THAT´S WHAT HAPPENED HERE

Some of you may remember my original idea of the "ICBM Regeneration"
The command is simple.
Example:
If "USA ICBM" destroyed by "ANYBODY"
THEN Create "USA ICBM" in "a specific location" (i´ll give you 5 or 6 possibilities)

So, in case of a soviet attack, all the ICBMs destroyed by the soviets, will "magically" appear again in the american soil.
In other words, the construction of the missile implies its use.

Why should we use this?
Because in real life, the nuclear responce would happen while the emeny nukes were in the air.
That´s because the player that suffered the attack, MUST HAVE A CHANCE TO RESPOND!!!!!

These were the options i proposed some months ago:
"Civ2 turn based game style" (no possibility of "nukes in the air") VS. "Real life situation" (MAD)

That time, we chose to go on with the current situation, with the same rules...
Time went on... i personally believe that we should test the other idea.
Remember this guys:
Nuclear responce would happen while the emeny nukes were in the air
MAD was a real possibility. We should recreate that in a cold war game
Benefit for a first strike (nukes+conventional warfare), but also a retaliation. THIS IS NUCLEAR WARFARE!!! Remember, no winners in a nuclear war

NO WINNERS IN A NUCLEAR WAR!!!!!!
Nuclear War shouldn´t be the first option, but the last one. Ok?
Players should understand the implication of using their nuclear arsenals This time it won´t be so easy, so simple.... EVERYBODY MUST SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES OF A NUCLEAR WAR!!!

One more thing:
Sorry guys, but i´m not asking for your opinion this time.
Some tests took place in one pbem in civfanatics, and it worked fine. That´s why i wanna go on with the tests, ok?

academia · September 11, 2003, 21:19

Please, EVERYBODY MUST DOWNLOAD THIS FILE:

academia · September 11, 2003, 21:22

And now some changes made in the units and cities archives according to the new governments in Russia and China

PAY ATTENTION!!
THESE FILES ARE EXCLUSIVE FOR THIS PBEM!!!!

tanelorn · September 15, 2003, 18:59

C'mon, what are you waiting for?

academia · September 15, 2003, 19:05

bump figu

FiGu · September 16, 2003, 10:33

Ooops Didn't notice the turn! ill play now!

FiGu · September 16, 2003, 11:13

USSR Defeated, Russian Republic Created!
WASHINGTON- The Soviet Union was defeated by the Great Union between Nato, USA and China and SEATO. This great victory over a tyranny goverment was easily won, as the Communists began begging for Mercy. The Congress has showed its Proposed Terms over the defeated USSR, to the New Republic.

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Treaty of Warzaw
These are the US proposed terms to the Defeated USSR. Following Cities Fall under NATO Protection:
Berlin, Dresden, Warzaw, Gdansk, Tirana, Zagreb, Belgrad, Krakow, Riga, Minsk.

The Following Cities Fall under US protection: (Europe)Budapest, Bucharest, Lvov, Odessa, Kiev, Sevastopol,Rostov and Baku.(Asia)
Palana, Petropavlovsk.

The Following Cities fall under Chinese Protection: Vladivostok and Kharbarovsk.

The Following Cities fall Under SEATO Protection:
Tehran, Krasnovodsk, Baikanur, Tashkent, Alma-Ata, Karaganda.

The Armed Forces of the Russian Republic is reduced to totally 900.000 Infantry(100-150 Units) and the Nuclear Arsenal is to be Given to US or Nato or be Destroyed.

tanelorn · September 16, 2003, 15:20

Sadly, something has come up and I have to quit the PBEMS I am in. I cannot commit myself to attending any at this point, and for the next two months at least, starting tomorrow. I'll be at the scenario league forum from time to time, as well as checking this thread, so it's not like I quit Apoly or anything. I wish my successor the best of luck. Its been really nice playing with you, maybe we can try again some other time.
I was so eager to play my turn, this just came out of the blue!

academia · September 16, 2003, 15:27

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The Following Cities fall Under SEATO Protection:
Tehran, Krasnovodsk, Baikanur, Tashkent, Alma-Ata, Karaganda.

Russia don´t accept these terms. I haven´t talked with the new SEATO´s prime minister.

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The Armed Forces of the Russian Republic is reduced to totally 900.000 Infantry(100-150 Units) and the Nuclear Arsenal is to be Given to US or Nato or be Destroyed.

Ok. we´ll destroy our nukes next turn.

Choke · September 16, 2003, 21:32

"The Following Cities fall Under SEATO Protection:
Tehran, Krasnovodsk, Baikanur, Tashkent, Alma-Ata, Karaganda"

Considering SEATO did no real fighting, this seems awfully generous...AWFULLY.

"The Armed Forces of the Russian Republic is reduced to totally 900.000 Infantry(100-150 Units) and the Nuclear Arsenal is to be Given to US or Nato or be Destroyed."

or China!?

jim panse · September 17, 2003, 04:40

Not too much happened this time, the troops are comin´ home and everybody is happy with the outcome of this conflict because NATO casualties were extremely low. To avoid the typical post-war depression NATO has intensified its civil infrastructure buildup program.

academia · September 29, 2003, 15:38

CHOKE!!!!!

WHERE ARE YOU?????????

Choke · October 5, 2003, 05:11

I'm back, will play soon ISP cut me off.

academia · October 5, 2003, 15:35

Guys:
I opened a thread about the future update of the scenario.
If you have anything to say, go here:
http://www.apolyton.net/forums/showt...44#post2389797

Choke · October 5, 2003, 16:22

China strenously objects to SEATO administrating any parts of the former USSR.

Choke · October 13, 2003, 04:14

If the SEATO turn is not played in 60 hours, I'm playing it.

Choke · October 15, 2003, 04:09

Somebody should play this...I will if I have to...

academia · October 15, 2003, 06:13

Oops! i forgot to tell you that i talked to yaroslav about the chance of taking command of SEATO here...
I´ll remind him to play the turn