Anyone for Iron Curtain PBEM? - Page 2

FiGu · January 14, 2003, 09:05

I dont agree about the DMZ.
USA should be allowed to capture Hanoi because its the Capital of North Vietnam

Iron Chancellor · January 14, 2003, 11:20

China-Any attempt to subvert the democratic government of Vietnam will be regarded as a crime against the ideals of liberty and democracy which are supported throughout the South-East Asian Treaty Organization. Perhaps it should be awarded to an independant allignment if a US occupation is completely unacceptable. I forward the Un-Alligned Nations.

Russia-Afghanistan is truly the sister-nation of Pakistan, a constituent nation of SEATO. Therefore, SEATO will support the independent nation of Afghanistan resist Soviet domination, and will welcome it into the Organization if it so chooses.

America/NATO-Know that you have our support in the global fight against tyranny and despotism.

jim panse · January 14, 2003, 16:19

from our correspondent at Mons/NATO Headquarters Europe - Today Nato Secretary General Panse

explained NATO´s wish to aid the liberty-loving people of Afghanistan in their struggle for freedom. "Freedom can only be reached through Democracy. Any other way can not be aimed at this fundamental right of men. We and our allies and friends all around the world are invited to build up a better and more peaceful world. This can only be achieved through the acceptance of some of the most fundamental rights we have: Human Rights, Liberty, Freedom and Democracy. NATO will do its job to achieve these goals."

After this strong statement he gave some technical and logistical information and closed his address to the press with the following words: "To all the enemies of the human race: We will not fail or stumble nor fall on our crusade against the Evil in this world. We don´t stand alone, let all the liberty-loving peple on this beautiful planet know that they are also not alone in the dark of the Evil."

EmuGod · January 14, 2003, 21:03

Any attempt to interfere in the Mdidle Eastern region will be considered as an act of war against the Soviet Union. We are fully prepared to use the full strength of our might in this conflict. You claim to support liberty and democracy? If so then why are you bringing south vietnam back under the French Imperialistic flag? You are hypocrites in your words and actions. You claim to support liberty yet you support the French fight to keep her old empire together. We are not the enemies of the human race, we are trying to help the impoverished popluation of Iran and Afghanistan. Afghanistan and Pakistan may share a border, but these two areas are separate. We are willing to negotiate, however, because we are above petty fighting. The USSR will liberate Iran while SEATO can liberate Afghanistan. This is our offer, accept it, or reject it. If you attmept to interfere, then are you prepared to be the cause of nuclear armageddon? NATO, this is not your conflict. You have no jurisdiction in Iran or Afghanistan, just as the Arab League has no jurisdiction in these countries as they are not Arab. They are not part of NATO because they are not part of the North Atlantic and Afghanistan certainly is not part of South East Asia, so SEATO has no jurisdiction there. We are willing to compromise, however. Look beyond your dislike for Communism, we seek not to expand power, but rather to improve the lives of people throughout the world. The United States claims to support liberty and freedom, yet you have supported the corrupt Shah in Iran that has left his people in poverty and under a dictatorship while you have given him the tools of war he needed for this. We see this is a libertaion of Iran and we are willing to coordinate our efforts there in setting up the laws with the United Nations. The USSR will allow Islam to be freely practiced in Iran and will democratically institute a new government there. The United States continues to support the age old Imperialism and dictatorships in areas such as Iran and South Vietnam. You only support free governments when it is convenient for you but talk of liberty. Do not be hypocrites and live up to your words. Stop supporting these regimes that go against the very principles underwhich your government claims to stand on.

Iron Chancellor · January 14, 2003, 21:44

Nonsense. SEATO does not seek to reinstal the French Colonial government, merely to see Vietnam become a free and independent democracy with full respect for human rights. While Afghanistan is not a part of SEATO, the majority of its population is Pashtun, as is the majority of Pakistan. The Pakistani Pashtun will not abide by the conquest and subjugation of their brothers. In addition, SEATO hardly sees Eastern Europe as a rightful part of Soviet Russia. If the USSR was truly the liberating power that it claims to be, it would evacuate Eastern Europe and allow the Un-Alligned Nations to take them.

SEATO is an alliance of democracies and constitutional monarchies with respect for basic human rights, and thus extends an offer of mutual defense and brotherhood to all in Asia who seek democratic rights and respect for private property.

Ceteram · January 15, 2003, 06:43

lol...
This starts to sound good-when do we actually start?
FiGu: I liked your pic!!!!

China to US: If you attack Hanoï or deploy on or above my DMZ, I'll start targeting us infrastructure out of Vietnam and South China Sea.

China to Arab League:
Allthough our opions on the Afghanistan question differ, we welcome your oh-so truthful statement above.

Free People of the World, join the Banner of the Communist Internationale!

Become more prosporous every day!

jim panse · January 15, 2003, 06:53

ok, i guess things getting pretty hot. let´s start! EmuGod, it´s your turn

tanelorn · January 15, 2003, 09:15

Al Jazira broadcast:

"There are rumors that the Arab league is displeased by apparent Trotskyist tendencies in the Supreme Soviet"

FiGu · January 15, 2003, 09:28

US to China So do you want to make a peace agreement to end the conflict in Vietnam???

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FiGu: I liked your pic!!!!

FiGu · January 15, 2003, 09:43

We will support the Democratic South Vietnam until the end.
Dont think that we will leave them alone.
You should tell your communist Ally North Vietnam to stop attacking a free democratic Nation!
And I suggest that we put Iran to half. one part to Soviet the other part to Arab League.

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If so then why are you bringing south vietnam back under the French Imperialistic flag?

dont talk about France like that.

jim panse · January 15, 2003, 11:37

I want to remind China that the USA has the total and unconditioned support on that issue.

Iron Chancellor · January 15, 2003, 12:21

The United States is our foremost ally, and we will not abandon her in her endeavors. Wherever Asians struggle against socialist tyranny, SEATO will be there. SEATO is displeased by the separation of Vietnam, but respects the Geneva Agreements which establish two independent countries.

By the way, how do I take a screenshot?

EmuGod · January 15, 2003, 15:51

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Originally posted by Iron Chancellor
Nonsense. SEATO does not seek to reinstal the French Colonial government, merely to see Vietnam become a free and independent democracy with full respect for human rights. While Afghanistan is not a part of SEATO, the majority of its population is Pashtun, as is the majority of Pakistan. The Pakistani Pashtun will not abide by the conquest and subjugation of their brothers. In addition, SEATO hardly sees Eastern Europe as a rightful part of Soviet Russia. If the USSR was truly the liberating power that it claims to be, it would evacuate Eastern Europe and allow the Un-Alligned Nations to take them.

SEATO is an alliance of democracies and constitutional monarchies with respect for basic human rights, and thus extends an offer of mutual defense and brotherhood to all in Asia who seek democratic rights and respect for private property.

Nonsense! If you supported an independent Vietnam, you would not have supported the French in the first and second Indo-Chinese wars. The areas we took were part of the Axis fighting against the USSR in World War 2. They had all attacked us, and we retaliated. They are independent countries. If you want us to withdraw from Eastern Europe, dismantle NATO and SEATO completely.

We have placed an offer on the table. your dislike of our economic system has blinded you to see that we are not the aggressors you make us out to be. You, the United States of America, invaded Spanish colonies in 1898. You attacked Mexico in the Mexican War and now you attack North Vietnam. Our conquests of Eastern Europe were through a defensive, not an offensive war like yours were and you claim we are aggressive? You dropped atomic weapons on Japan! You police nations to gain your political desires!

Now, what will it be? The division of Afghanistan and SEATO and Iran under Asia or not? The choic is in your hands but the consequences could be dire.

FiGu · January 15, 2003, 16:06

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and now you attack North Vietnam

We Didnt "Attack" North Vietnam. It Was North Vietnam that started the Conflict. So this wasnt through a "Offensive war".
And if we had not dropped a atomic bomb in Japan it could have cost Tens of thousends of American and Soviet lives. We would had to Invade the Japanese Homeisland.

Iron Chancellor · January 15, 2003, 17:47

MESSAGE FROM SEATO:
AFGHAN-IRAN DIVISION A GO
PM CHANCELLOR: WE WELCOME THE NATION OF AFGHANISTAN INTO SEATO
HOWEVER, RUSSIA MUST NOT SEE THIS AS A PRECEDENT FOR CONQUEST
END

"The areas we took were part of the Axis fighting against the USSR in World War 2. They had all attacked us, and we retaliated."

We all know how the eastern Front was almost lost to the dreaded Storm divisions of the Czechoslovakian, Albanian, Bulgarian, Yugoslavian, and Polish war machines.

tanelorn · January 15, 2003, 18:19

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Originally posted by FiGu
And I suggest that we put Iran to half. one part to Soviet the other part to Arab League.

How do you suggest this could be implemented?

How to take screenshots without a special application? Press the print screen button on your keyboard (if there is one), open any viewer, press paste, save as .gif (because bmp's do not show in apolyton) -done.

Iron Chancellor · January 15, 2003, 18:57

Thanks!

jim panse · January 16, 2003, 05:11

the discussion or should i say disputes are very fine. ok, EmuGod, you´re the one who has to start the game

FiGu · January 16, 2003, 09:11

Let the Propaganda War Begin!!

"Watch out for the Great USSAF Spider!!"

Ceteram · January 16, 2003, 09:24

FiGu: lol Lets make piece

, why make war? I give you Hue.

FiGu · January 16, 2003, 09:50

Ok you give me Hue and then you got your Peace!

Remove your units from Hue on your turn and then when i got the City we can make peace.

Iron Chancellor · January 16, 2003, 13:30

SEATO is pleased by the friendliness peacefulness of China and America, and welcomes South Vietnam (and the US) to join SEATO in a military defense pact.

EmuGod · January 16, 2003, 20:59

SImple, The USSR will take Terhan and Shiraz (which will take lots of damage in an attack anyway) and SEATO can take Kabul. I'll post my turn soon. I'm in the middle of an exam period but I should be able to get my turn up soon.

Ceteram · January 17, 2003, 03:26

L E T ' S G E T T H E G A M E G O I N G!

EmuGod · January 17, 2003, 13:18

I'll get my turn up soon.

tanelorn · January 17, 2003, 19:05

I am not goig to relinquish my claim on Iran that easily. Geo-strategically it's next to my heartland, my backyard. Nor are you going to gain access to the Indian ocean from turn one, Emugod. Keep out of Iran, and we'll be friendly to eachother. Advance, and I'll turn to NATO and USA.
Historically, the USSR occupied northern Iran, including Tehran during WWII. The rest was under British protectorate, the Iranians got British weapons not to join the Axis. Post WWII both withdrew, in favor of Rezza Pahlavi, who became the Shah- Western oil interests persisted longer. Iran was pro- western till Khomeini's revolution, 1979-80.
If you push into Iran, you 'll damage our relations severely. Don't.
Go do what you wish in Afganistan, Pakistani ties were established only after the Soviets withdrew, and SEATO had already dissolved. SEATO's claims are pure fiction, and he cannot pursue them, realistically, in this game. I am the power in the middle east, face it.

Iron Chancellor · January 17, 2003, 19:28

Bah! We will show you who has dissolved! If you continue to mock our alliance, you shall face the consequences. Afghanistan has already expressed desires to join the South-East Asian Treaty organization and currently holds a junior membership, to be elevated to a full one shortly. Do not interfere or you will face severe consequences.

The Iranianian population, while Islam, is Sunni, which is a minority of the Muslim population, in fact, a quite distinct one. They are also Iranian, not Arab, and do not belong in ANY Arab state.

Afghanistan and Pakistan share majorities of Shi'a muslim Pashtuns, and thus belong in a single state, or at least the same alignment.

Finally, the Shah has not be deposed and still holds the throne with a pro-Western stance (the Islamic revolution was in 1979, and this here's 1964).

If the Arab League continues to make preposterous claims and insult the peoples of South-East Asia, it may find itself lacking in allies if and when the Soviets eye the rich oil fields of Iraq and Saudi-Arabia.

jim panse · January 18, 2003, 06:14

btw, the majority of the iranian population is shiite

FiGu · January 18, 2003, 11:45

EmuGod are you going to start the game??????

Iron Chancellor · January 18, 2003, 11:47

Oops, I knew it was one or the other but I can never remember which is which.

FLIP THE SECTS AND IT'S TRUE