Which country is biggest threat to peace? - Page 3

DinoDoc · January 13, 2003, 22:33

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Originally posted by Pekka
also avoid the typical finnish pick up lines, they really really HATE them: 'wanna dance?' 'wanna have sex?'.

This is a typical Finnish pick up line!

No wonder they go for foreign guys.

Pekka · January 13, 2003, 22:34

And if you're not getting lucky (you're a freak with 3 heads and 6 nipples), you can always take a cruise boat to sweden, that costs maybe 50 bucks, and swedes are hot too. OR maybe even better, go to estonia, costs you less than 20 bucks and takes less than 2 hours from Helsinki, they have lots of hot chicks and they're pretty nice too and approachable. Come here, you can't miss!

loinburger · January 13, 2003, 22:34

I'm surprised that the Kingdom of Tonga is absent -- apparently nobody got the memo that I moved there.

Pekka · January 13, 2003, 22:35

dinodoc, It is! I'm not even lying

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Kramerman · January 13, 2003, 22:42

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also avoid the typical finnish pick up lines, they really really HATE them: 'wanna dance?' 'wanna have sex?'

yeah, aint that the truth. You can never be too suttle with women...

Pekka · January 13, 2003, 22:45

Well we are very famous for not being able to do the small talk, and it's true. We like getting to the point I guess.. Plus you can put it in simple math: you talk to 1 woman.. your chances are X. Talking to one woman takes time Y. You want to minimize the Y in order to big up your X. Now, if you ask from 100 women, chances are you're getting lucky, right? Well, you get my point.

Ned · January 13, 2003, 23:25

The question the Euro's should really answer is whether they would feel safer if the US changed policy and bedame isolationist - as we were before 1939.

Pekka · January 13, 2003, 23:29

Hmm.. I don't know. Well not safer in sense, that the US is not threatning our existence. So I think we wouldn't feel any safer if you guys just kept to yourselves.
That could have some positive effects though, EU would finally have to get some work done and put up a decent military, and not just bunch of armies. Though this should be done now, right away.

I think we are not afraid that some outside threat would come to Europe, well except maybe soem random terrorist attacks, but there's no current enemy.
However that does not mean we shouldn't have decent military, and it doesnt' mean we shoudln't help the US. It's long over due already.. We need to get piece of the action too.

TCO · January 14, 2003, 00:00

Making the Euros feel better should be of minimal importance to us. We should do what we feel is right and let the chips fall where they may. If they want to have their own armed forces that are worth a damn, let em.

Pekka · January 14, 2003, 00:04

Hmm it's kind of funny. I think if we had a big army and had some wars in some place no one has even heard, I think the US wouldn't oppose very much.. and that's why we need a huge army. And we would be quite angry if they started saying anything, I think. I think it's only fair we had our own war machine, and the US has its own, and let them rock and rumble as long as we don't become enemies.

DinoDoc · January 14, 2003, 00:08

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Originally posted by Ned
The question the Euro's should really answer is whether they would feel safer if the US changed policy and bedame isolationist - as we were before 1939.

Based on interviews conducted by Robert Art between 90-94, European military-political elites seem to believe that if the US withdrew thier security blanket Western European states could well return to the "destructive" power politics that typified most of thier history.

Kramerman · January 14, 2003, 00:24

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Originally posted by Pekka
Hmm it's kind of funny. I think if we had a big army and had some wars in some place no one has even heard, I think the US wouldn't oppose very much.. and that's why we need a huge army. And we would be quite angry if they started saying anything, I think. I think it's only fair we had our own war machine, and the US has its own, and let them rock and rumble as long as we don't become enemies.

I say we join forces, once and for all, and crush the world beneath our Iron Imperialist heal!

Muhahaha!

EDIT: you know you want to

Dr Strangelove · January 14, 2003, 00:26

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Originally posted by DinoDoc
Based on interviews conducted by Robert Art between 90-94, European military-political elites seem to believe that if the US withdrew thier security blanket Western European states could well return to the "destructive" power politics that typified most of thier history.

Well that would be a fine howdy do now wouldn't it? So what you're saying is that if they didn't have us to whip they'd convene WWIII all on their own? This must truly be the ultimate secret behind Christianity-people love having someone doing the dying for them. We are a bunch of Vampires aren't we?

Pekka · January 14, 2003, 00:26

Sounds good. Meet you after the school in front of the cafeteria to make some plans!

DuncanK · January 14, 2003, 00:31

I wonder who Americans would pick? I'm betting it won't be America.

Tripledoc · January 14, 2003, 00:48

So it is Empire or Isolationism?

Considering the US deficit and the US trade imbalance - I would say the Americans would have to work more effectively in solving those issues.

The US has the potential for vast increases in overall growth. Frustratingly the economy has been highjacked by special interests which have a continual habit to feed.
Notably surplus value created by the workforce and profits on the oil-run. The heavy military expenditures is also hampering economic development.

Considering unemplyment in Europe there should be migration to the US from Europe - but sadly the expectations of the Europeans do not square with what America has to offer in terms of welfare benefits.

Ned · January 14, 2003, 00:51

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Originally posted by Pekka
Hmm.. I don't know. Well not safer in sense, that the US is not threatning our existence. So I think we wouldn't feel any safer if you guys just kept to yourselves.
That could have some positive effects though, EU would finally have to get some work done and put up a decent military, and not just bunch of armies. Though this should be done now, right away.

I think we are not afraid that some outside threat would come to Europe, well except maybe soem random terrorist attacks, but there's no current enemy.
However that does not mean we shouldn't have decent military, and it doesnt' mean we shoudln't help the US. It's long over due already.. We need to get piece of the action too.

Pekka, of course the EU would increase it military if the US withdrew from world affairs. But I don't see the EU being a decisive superpower maintaining world order against agressive conquerors. At best, I see the EU military being content only to defend against a direct attack on Europe. The problem, of course, is that there is no unified command structure that takes directions from a EU commander in chief. The EU is a long way from creating a real United States of Europe.

The net result would be that the Saddam's of the world would actually take over the ME. Ditto, China and Taiiwan, NK and SK and perhaps Japan; and Vietnam and all of SE Asia. There would be no one to stop them.

DinoDoc · January 14, 2003, 00:52

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Originally posted by Tripledoc
but sadly the expectations of the Europeans do not square with what America has to offer in terms of welfare benefits.

Thank God!

Pekka · January 14, 2003, 01:05

Ned, agreed. But EU should increase it's military even now when the US is around. I'm afraid we will never have a decent military because of the lack of unified command structure, and it's close to impossible with us.
It takes a loooong time to make that one work, but it should start now.

Ned · January 14, 2003, 01:06

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Originally posted by DinoDoc
Based on interviews conducted by Robert Art between 90-94, European military-political elites seem to believe that if the US withdrew thier security blanket Western European states could well return to the "destructive" power politics that typified most of thier history.

I think there is more than a remote possiblity of this happening if the US withdrew from Europe. Something would happen that would cause European re-alignment. Actually, it could be nuclear weapons. Suppose Germany wanted it own nukes? What would France and the UK say? And for that matter, what would Russia, Poland and the Ukraine say?

TCO · January 14, 2003, 02:08

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Originally posted by Pekka
Ned, agreed. But EU should increase it's military even now when the US is around. I'm afraid we will never have a decent military because of the lack of unified command structure, and it's close to impossible with us.
It takes a loooong time to make that one work, but it should start now.

Let's see...you already speak a common language, American. You eat a common food, American. Watch a common TV. Play common computer games. Why don't you get over your silly pride and apply for admission. (You will just have to ditch the socialiszed medicine, accept guns for all, embrace death penalty, and watch John Wayne movies.)

Pekka · January 14, 2003, 02:21

GP, Actually I have thought about that, funny you should mention that. I had a thread about it some months ago, how to apply, become immigrant, get green card etc. That was because I wanted to join the US military, I still want to, but it's tough to get those green cards etc. Also I was planning on studying in the US, and perhaps stay, but I didn't come up with enough sponsors to pay for 4 years worth of tuition. And if you really want to know, my parents already live there (my father moved back there, leaving me alone, thank God).

But maybe some day.. You guys should have volunteer troops for foreigners who already have military backround, arrange little training so that they can blend in to your system and voila! Free troopers. I'll do it for free damn it, just gimme food, weapon and ammunition.

Pekka · January 14, 2003, 02:23

I could see myself as the biggest threat to peace. When I finally leave this country and get there, join military and all, I have years of repressed anger for not getting to fight and when that frustration and fury is unleashed..

TCO · January 14, 2003, 02:29

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Originally posted by Pekka
GP, Actually I have thought about that, funny you should mention that. I had a thread about it some months ago, how to apply, become immigrant, get green card etc. That was because I wanted to join the US military, I still want to, but it's tough to get those green cards etc. Also I was planning on studying in the US, and perhaps stay, but I didn't come up with enough sponsors to pay for 4 years worth of tuition. And if you really want to know, my parents already live there (my father moved back there, leaving me alone, thank God).

But maybe some day.. You guys should have volunteer troops for foreigners who already have military backround, arrange little training so that they can blend in to your system and voila! Free troopers. I'll do it for free damn it, just gimme food, weapon and ammunition.

We let some Philipinos into the service. Are you short and brown?

Oerdin · January 14, 2003, 02:31

I can almost see the TV reports now: "In the news today a Finnish man who uses the alais Pekka went a rampage in downtown Baghdad. Reporters say he kept yelling "FINALLY! THE FURY IS UNLEASH!"".

Pekka · January 14, 2003, 02:31

I'm white and fairly tall

Pekka · January 14, 2003, 02:32

I just hope they won't catch me alive and say 'you israeli!', then I know I'm in deep trouble

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Oerdin · January 14, 2003, 02:34

BTW Pekka you don't have to be a citizen to join the military. We I was in the army there were a great many people who joined up as a way to get express admission into the country.

Also if you want to go to school in the states you can get a resident alien card and you'll be treated like a citizen when it comes to student financial aid.

Pekka · January 14, 2003, 02:39

I know I don't have to be citizen. I spoke to reqruiters in goarmy.com (

) and they said I need a green card, and they can't help me get it, and they said they won't give me one for joining the army, I'd need it some other way first

. Believe me, if that would be possible, I'd be there fast.

You mean student visa? Anyway, I lack of money to go to Uni in the US

.. I have to send proof to the school I want to go that I have the money first, even before they would accept me. So now I'm thinking of UK or Canada. Money issue. The best way to me would be getting into army, and have one of those programs where they help you pay for tuition after service.

Mr. President · January 14, 2003, 03:10

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Which country is biggest threat to peace?

All of them.