January 15, 2003, 18:47
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Originally posted by Starchild
My coming out to my mother was a Broadway style production.
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isn't everything with you? 
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January 15, 2003, 18:48
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Originally posted by Starchild
Boris got off easy with his coming out.  Where are the tears? The hard questions? The madonna music?
My coming out to my mother was a Broadway style production. Foreshadowing, parades, bright lights, a climax, coming within inches of a musical number, and a feel good ending. 
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At first, my mom felt I needed to go to a counselor to tell me I wasn't gay. When the counselor suggested my mom come in for analysis, she let me alone, and now she is my closest confidante when it comes to my love life.
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January 15, 2003, 18:50
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This issue was used in a West Wing scene, where Sam has to discuss the issue with politicans & military personnel. They claim that it would be bad because it would ruin unit discipline and cause problems for the armed forces.
The head of the joint chiefs, who is black, comes in and they ask his opinion, he replies ( something like this )
"About 50 years ago, they didn't want to allow blacks into the military because they feared it would ruin unit discipline and ruin the US' military. Well they were wrong, black soldiers worked with white soldiers and they did well. They proved them wrong and we have a mixed army now."
Okay, I know it's just a ( damn good ) drama ( and I've prolly quoted it wrong ) but it raises an interesting point. If the arguments of creating a mixed colour armed forces 50 years ago are the same as creating a mixed sexuality forces now and they proved those arguments wrong then surely you can't use those arguments for preventing a mixed armed forces.
If colour is not a problem and being a different sex is not a problem then why should having a different sexual orientation?
If you're a good soldier/sailor/flyer/etc.. then who cares whether you're white/black/man/woman/gay/heterosexual?
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January 15, 2003, 18:56
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Originally posted by orange
isn't everything with you?
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Honey, what's the point in life if you every moment doesn't have you reaching for the box of kleenex in one way or the other?
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January 15, 2003, 18:57
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f you're a good soldier/sailor/flyer/etc.. then who cares whether you're white/black/man/woman/gay/heterosexual?
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The best point one can make on the subject 
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January 15, 2003, 19:00
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January 15, 2003, 19:19
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[threadjack]
Troll?
Hardly. Trolls post with the intention of stirring trouble.
Intrinsically, the only thing wrong with homosexuality is similar to lust, at least how Boris and I defined homosexuality during our discussion. This is different from my original position, as I had an inaccurate assessment of homosexuality. Trolls also do not change their positions in response to criticism and analysis.
"Teach your kids to respect sex as a healthy, but precious, cherished act."
"raise them to know that you will always accept them."
Both excellent points, Finkian.
I still will not encourage them to live a gay lifestyle, and I will show them what I was taught. Don't get me wrong, there are some people very comfortable with the lifestyle, and they are some who have major problems. I have seen both.
That being said, I'll end the threadjack.
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January 16, 2003, 03:46
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Originally posted by orange
The best point one can make on the subject
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Those former qualities are functions on the latter qualities.
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