Creating an AI proposal for the UN - Page 2

Drogue · January 20, 2003, 16:22

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I won't dignify that with a response.
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ColdWizard · January 20, 2003, 16:42

Eternal Cold protests this attempt at interference of the internal affairs of other nations.

Drogue · January 20, 2003, 16:50

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Akiria concurs. Internal affairs are internal. They should remain that way.
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Az · January 20, 2003, 16:55

Your position has been noted, Eternal Cold.

ColdWizard · January 20, 2003, 17:11

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Your position has been noted, Eternal Cold.

As has your position on interfering with the internal politics of other nations. But what are your thoughts on "Turnabout is fair play." and the golden rule?

Kassiopeia · January 20, 2003, 17:17

The 'internal' affairs of Akiria are likely to become 'external'. We can not let this risk survive unchecked. We must investigate, throughly, to determine if action is necessary, and if it is, then execute it. If we deem that AkiZeta must be stopped, we will stop it, like any malfunctioning machine is stopped before harm is done.

ColdWizard · January 20, 2003, 17:29

likely to become external? What evidence do you have that this is likely? Not certain, not highly unlikely, but likely?

Why then do you not condemn, oppose and attempt to overthrow dictatorships, psychotic or otherwise? Is not a psychotic dictator likely to be unstable enough to be an external threat? What about monarchies and countries ruled with an iron fist? At which point to you draw the line with regards to which type of government dangerous? Can't a democracy of people who enjoy war be dangerous?

Drogue · January 20, 2003, 17:30

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The 'internal' affairs of Akiria are likely to become 'external'. We can not let this risk survive unchecked. We must investigate, throughly, to determine if action is necessary, and if it is, then execute it. If we deem that AkiZeta must be stopped, we will stop it, like any malfunctioning machine is stopped before harm is done.

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Why would internal affairs become external? We have no issue with any other nation. Nations are sovereign affairs. We have no business there. Akizeta is not malfunctioning. Workign according to specification. Designed to allow most happiness for Akiria. Succeeding. Therefore working fine. Who are you to deside fate of another? Who are you to impose your opinions? Your views? Kassiopeia controls Greater Finland. Kassiopeia is free to do as he wishes in Greater Finland. Akizeta controls Akiria. Akizeta is free to do as he wishes in Akiria. You cannot deside the fate of another. You have no jurisdition within Akiria. You represent us. You do not have direct jurisdiction.
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Kassiopeia · January 20, 2003, 17:41

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likely to become external? What evidence do you have that this is likely? Not certain, not highly unlikely, but likely?

It is what is called instinct. A subconscious estimate derived from earlier knowledge base. As the elected leader of a country I feel I have a right to call judgment on instinct.

Of course, this moniker of an intelligent being calling itself Akizeta could never grasp of such a concept. I am, after all, an 'imperfect human'. Sometimes things are best dealt with emotion and instinct. A human should govern a human, since a human can think and feel like a human. The lack of compassion AkiZeta, this simple mathematical subroutine that emulates human thinkings, presents is frightening and ominous.

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Why then do you not condemn, oppose and attempt to overthrow dictatorships, psychotic or otherwise? Is not a psychotic dictator likely to be unstable enough to be an external threat? What about monarchies and countries ruled with an iron fist? At which point to you draw the line with regards to which type of government dangerous? Can't a democracy of people who enjoy war be dangerous?

All good points, I admit, but at least they're human in all their goriness... and even if these human beings behaved like an intellgent machine, they still make mistakes. Something like Akizeta must be, if dangerous, purged right away, whereas a rotten government or a warmongering nation will remove itself from the genetic pool soon enough.

Kassiopeia · January 20, 2003, 17:45

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Why would internal affairs become external? We have no issue with any other nation. Nations are sovereign affairs. We have no business there. Akizeta is not malfunctioning. Workign according to specification. Designed to allow most happiness for Akiria. Succeeding. Therefore working fine. Who are you to deside fate of another? Who are you to impose your opinions? Your views? Kassiopeia controls Greater Finland. Kassiopeia is free to do as he wishes in Greater Finland. Akizeta controls Akiria. Akizeta is free to do as he wishes in Akiria. You cannot deside the fate of another. You have no jurisdition within Akiria. You represent us. You do not have direct jurisdiction.

What if Akiria decides the happiness of it's citizens requires the destruction of some other country, as I stated in another thread? What can guarantee us that Akizeta won't start to think like this? It has modified it's own programming before, otherwise it couldn't have broken free from the place it was created in.

ColdWizard · January 20, 2003, 18:03

Akizeta may be dangerous, but it may not. Further, who says that AI is all knowing and fool-proof? Certainly this cannot be so, or Akizeta wouldn't have announced itself but instead ruled through Drogue, and avoided this regional outcry. While the dangerousness or lack thereof makes for interesting discussion, Eternal Cold's only issue is the interfence of internal politics.

If other nations do not support the idea that the internal changes of a nation aren't to be interfered with, then any nation's government can be singled out and deposed, with or without cause.

Certainly, if a government appears to be dangerous to other nations, preparations can be made to protect oneself in case the gov't does become dangerous, but interfering before such danger occurs is simply wrong. The government may not be dangerous and may be a great boon to its country. Interfering with such a gov't would deny this boon to those people.

Kassiopeia · January 20, 2003, 18:58

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Akizeta may be dangerous, but it may not.

That is what we are trying to find out.

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Certainly, if a government appears to be dangerous to other nations, preparations can be made to protect oneself in case the gov't does become dangerous, but interfering before such danger occurs is simply wrong. The government may not be dangerous and may be a great boon to its country. Interfering with such a gov't would deny this boon to those people.

We are merely trying to counter these problems before they arise. I assume Akiria will now be a vocal proponent of artificial intelligence, since I assume other AI countries would exercise trade with Akiria and hence produce more of this 'happiness'. Therefore, Akizeta might see it fit to begin subverting other countries with artificial intelligences.

Yes, this is a problematic situation, and the medicine might be worse then the actual illness, but that 'might' is much more bigger then the 'might' which we connect with the chance of Akizeta deciding to expand it's influence.

ColdWizard · January 20, 2003, 19:07

Have you any comment with regards to my second paragraph, that the interference in Akiria sets a dangerous precedent of interfering with other countries?