Hard Times Succession Game - Page 4

Scouse Gits · January 29, 2003, 13:56

Bloody hieroglyphs

SG[1]

La Fayette · January 29, 2003, 17:16

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Originally posted by Scouse Gits
Bloody hieroglyphs

SG[1]

Don't worry: it's a private affair between JR and me

La Fayette · January 29, 2003, 18:03

I played 10 turns, but my log has just been 'destroyed' somewhere between my computer and Apolyton.
I write a new one soon.
Meanwhile, JRabbit can have fun looking at the save

-Jrabbit · January 29, 2003, 18:39

Well, SG (2) is actually next, but I'm sending the zipsave home anyway, just in case I have time to look.

La Fayette · January 29, 2003, 22:36

Well, I bet SG(2) should be happy with my save

Because when I came to power in 740AD, I very much disliked what I discovered: a weak Republic, with a number of smaller and weaker cities, researching a military tech.
At second glance I noticed that Viking land was green and warm, compared with our barren tundra. I put on my helmet and told my people "go South, young men!".

760: Switch to Monarchy
780: La Fayette crowned by the archbishop of Woe...
Our mighty caravel sends a Viking caravel to the bottom offshore Lindholm. Our mighty crusader kills a Viking horseman wandering nearby.
860: FEODALISM discovered, Magnetism researched. Our ugly crusader kills attractive Viking legion.
880: Viking horseman kills our smiling diplomat. Our ugly crusader kills the horseman.
940: STWA completed in Was Zimbabwe. 2 harbours and a market place also completed. Crusaders under building almost anywhere.
King La Fayette disappears in the blizzard, bearing in the bottom of his heart the faint hope that SG(2) will be happy rolling over the Vikings.

(La Fayette, now faraway)

La Fayette · January 29, 2003, 22:41

Oops, forgot to mention that our cruising trireme had met the Babs, not far from our Southern Outpost. The Babs were very upset and asked for 300 gold or war! Guess what they got

Scouse Gits · January 30, 2003, 04:13

Sounds good LaFayette - but will the wimpy Republican Admiral like it

?

I do

SG[1]

Scouse Gits · January 30, 2003, 05:10

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Originally posted by Scouse Gits Sounds good LaFayette - but will the wimpy Republican Admiral like it

? SG[1]

You mean people like Admiral Puke? Both you gentlemen should remember the power of a war machine driven by a fat republic

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SG(2)

La Fayette · January 30, 2003, 06:39

...combined with ugly betrayal of faithful allies?

overwhelming

La Fayette · January 30, 2003, 06:55

Anyway, I don't blame you. I know I should have allied with the Roman leader as soon as I noticed that you were getting THAT strong

Scouse Gits · January 30, 2003, 08:26

I think you have your SGs mixed up LaFayette, I'm poor hapless Scapulette - (2) is Grand Admiral Puke

SG[1]

Scouse Gits · January 30, 2003, 08:55

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Originally posted by La Fayette ...combined with ugly betrayal of faithful allies?

overwhelming

As I recall you showed me how to do that!

Back to our current game. I have downloaded and managed to play the remainder of 940. Yes LF I agree - we go south, but on the way we will have a strong Republic to help our cause.

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SG(2)

Six Thousand Year Old Man · January 30, 2003, 10:53

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Originally posted by Scouse Gits

As I recall you showed me how to do that!

Back to our current game. I have downloaded and managed to play the remainder of 940. Yes LF I agree - we go south, but on the way we will have a strong Republic to help our cause.

SG(2)

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I played 10 turns, which felt about right. Hopefully we can get at least 2 sessions for everyone.

1. STYOM
2. La Fayette
3. SG(2)

4. Jrabbit
5. Bloody Monk
6. Hydey
7. SG[1]
8. obiwan18

Six Thousand Year Old Man · January 30, 2003, 10:55

All those trade arrows seem to cry out for a rich republic, and not some rodentian monarchy

At the least it's a change from the recent course of these games

Scouse Gits · January 30, 2003, 11:50

I don't think you have had a chance to see what a Rodentian Fundamentalist can do in any of our recent games -

Roll it on... Rabid rodent wants The Lady

SG[1]

Scouse Gits · January 30, 2003, 22:09

An interesting game full of contradictions! We have Mike's but are not using it effectively. We own the Lighthouse but are researching Magnetism. We possess Shake's but cannot exploit it properly unless in Republic. We have just built Sun Tzu's Academy which suggests a warlike Monarchy!

I agree with La Fayette that the warmer, greener Viking territory is a prize worth seizing. But it will take time to mount a killing attack. Sure - we can stuff a few boats with Crusaders and hope they get lucky, but this is more the tactic of piracy than considered and lethal strategy. With only a few turns in Republic we can transform our Empire.

940
Set Tax at 70% Gold 30% Lux. Sell Barracks at Mt 4 Special as we have Sun Tzu, and sell Library at Whale Woe. Swap Physics for The Wheel with Russians and also give them Republic to get an update of their maps. There are three Russian units on the Viking continent.

960
Ships are being rehomed at 2 Whales to be made happy by the Theatre. Hut - Nomad

980
Whale Woe builds Aqueduct. Hut Engineering

1000
Peace with the Vikings, give them Construction.

1020
Revolution to Republic Almost everywhere celebrating.

1040
Salt to Viborg 192g; The Russians are showing more interest in the Viking homeland. One of their caravels sighted heading west. To keep them friendly give them Feudalism and obtain new maps.
Population 1.67m

1060
Wool/Beads to Trondheim 336/150g Port Trondheim founded on rivered mountain. I've never placed a city on such fine defensive terrain

This little town can act as a safe harbour for trading with the Viking capital and the bridgehead for its ultimate change in ownership.

Viking Canal founded When asked to withdraw their troops the Russians opt for war!
Population 2.29m

1080
Magnetism Farewell lovely Lighthouse

Invention next;
Salt/Wool to Jorvik 80/80g
Population 2.98m

1100
Russians sink one of our Caravels, fortunately empty. The guilty ship is destroyed along with its cargo of three units. LittleTrondheim founded near two whales; Whale Woe size 12
Population 3.74m

1120
End celebrations, as most places would need substantial investments to gain further benefit. More caravans set sail.
Population 4.21m

1140
Start of turn...the Empire is stable with luxuries @ 30%, Tax @ 60% brings in over 200g less 24g for overheads, with a token 10% for science.

Bring on the Rodents

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SG(2)

Ben Kenobi · January 30, 2003, 23:03

Quadrupled the population!!

Awesome job, SG (2)

One thing we can do is research Democracy, build the SoL and go for an early Commie.

Commie crusaders.

Six Thousand Year Old Man · January 30, 2003, 23:16

Good turns SG(2)... exactly what I had in mind

Jrabbit is next

-Jrabbit · January 30, 2003, 23:36

-Jrabbit has it, but is only online because he's at the end of 14 consec. hrs in the corporate salt mines.

So not tonight, and it's FNSGS night at Ming's tomorrow. Saturday, then. Unless SWMBO has other plans for me...

BTW, SG(2), just what do you mean when you say

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Bring on the Rodents.

??
You're being too damnably subtle. . .

Straybow · January 31, 2003, 01:45

Well, 1.47M to 4.21M is more like tripling the pop…
and when is somebody going to move the capital? Klondike is a little farther north, if that's what you're trying for…

La Fayette · January 31, 2003, 04:09

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Originally posted by Scouse Gits

I agree with La Fayette that the warmer, greener Viking territory is a prize worth seizing. But it will take time to mount a killing attack
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SG(2)

The fun with succession games: IMO the killing attack can be launched very few turns after the 940AD save...

La Fayette · January 31, 2003, 04:12

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Originally posted by Straybow
and when is somebody going to move the capital? Klondike is a little farther north, if that's what you're trying for…

I advise south

Scouse Gits · January 31, 2003, 04:20

-Jrabbit - we are all aware that lagomorphs are not rodents at all - but then it IS a common misconception ... The rodent infestation of monasteries si well known, so probably BM is one too - Hydey, being inverted, is either a rodent or a kangaroo - who can tell the difference and finally... I am the original

RAR!

I suspect (2) was referring more to play style than to dietary habits

SG[1]

Scouse Gits · January 31, 2003, 07:12

Straybow

I would have preferred the seat of government at Cold Harbour, which is centrally placed, on our own continent. Now the cities are bigger it could be worth moving the capital, but at best it's only a marginal gain. If you're worried about corruption the obvious answer is become a Democracy

-Jrabbit

[1] was correct … the reference was aimed at the Conquistadors in our midst!

La Fayette

The day when a French General and a Scouse Admiral agree on everything we'll all be installing Civ 37! The more I have played this game the more I'm convinced that wars should be short, sharp and decisive! The rest of the time I wish to remain in the most advanced form of government available enjoying peace, planning either a landing on AC or the next campaign! War as a state of mind is a wasteful way to proceed. Rather than spending centuries chewing away at an enemy it's best to destroy them totally in a few turns.

Talking of strategy … why were we researching Magnetism? I did have hopes of SuperIronclads as efficient killing machines. Not much use against the Vikings as their cities are mainly inland, but very useful elsewhere…all the Russian cities are coastal.

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SG(2)

La Fayette · January 31, 2003, 07:46

I have played 10 turns in Rodentian Monarchy for comparison's sake:

It provides 3 wonders and 5 Viking cities (capital included); and we have 20+ crusaders available on the island in order to 'acquire' the remaining 4 Viking cities.
I would like to call that "decisive".

(have a look at my last turn in the 'Nothing Fancy' game to be convinced that I am not a stubborn Rodentian King all the time

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La Fayette · January 31, 2003, 07:58

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Originally posted by Scouse Gits
Straybow
Talking of strategy … why were we researching Magnetism? I did have hopes of SuperIronclads as efficient killing machines. Not much use against the Vikings as their cities are mainly inland, but very useful elsewhere…all the Russian cities are coastal.

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SG(2)

You know I am a great lover of ironclads, but the choice offered to me was between Magnetism and Chivalry.
With Sun Tzu, our Frigates (even without beaks or battering rams) will be very efficient against pre-Gunpowder units. All coastal Russian cities will be ours within a few turns if we will.

Bloody Monk · January 31, 2003, 16:21

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Originally posted by Scouse Gits
-Jrabbit - we are all aware that lagomorphs are not rodents at all - but then it IS a common misconception ... The rodent infestation of monasteries si well known, so probably BM is one too - Hydey, being inverted, is either a rodent or a kangaroo - who can tell the difference and finally... I am the original

RAR!

I suspect (2) was referring more to play style than to dietary habits

SG[1]

'lo [1],

Some of the terms used here are hard to grok. What is a lagomorgh? My college dictionary, circa, 1965, is no help. The closest is Lagos; but I doubt you are refering to the -Jman as a Nigerian.

And then there is rodent, presumedly rat??? What is the reference here?? Is it to a swarm of rats overwhelming everything in its path bringing the Black Death (courtesy of its accompaning fleas), befouling everything (its ubiquitous droppings), and generally, making themselves at home wherever they find themselves?? Bringing widespread, total devastation...scaring the sensitive into screaming witlessness....umm

If that is what one intends, does that make one a rat?? A RAR??

A wolfpack would accomplish that as well. I'd rather think of myself as a rabid aggressive wolf, RAW.

But who knows what may have happened during those long periods of silence and deep meditation in the monastery. It could have happened that I was bitten by a rat, a wererat, and that I unknowingly become a rat in my wolf frenzy. Could also explain how I came to be known as 'the Bloody' over the course of time. Yeah, that's the ticket, a rat bite induced frenzy.

One last thing...I really, really like cheese.

Monk (sometime rodent)

Scouse Gits · January 31, 2003, 16:37

La Fayette ... your replay turns were a fine exhibition of Rodentian Monarchy !

When you took over the game at 740AD you rejected the idea of Republic. I have done some replaying from that point and I continued in Republic until I built SoL and went Fundy. (If you really want to be a rodent do it in style). Without Magnetism the fleet is starting to build many super ironclads.

I played until I took Trondheim in 1060AD.

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SG(2)

Scouse Gits · January 31, 2003, 18:04

BM - lagomorph simply means a member of the rabbit family - it was about 12 months ago that i was christened the rabid aggrssive rodent on these boards - and I accepted the ?accolade? readily - but as (2) stated he was actually referring to style of play

SG[1]

-Jrabbit · January 31, 2003, 18:06

"Lagomorph" = bunny rabbit.

(just like canine = dog and feline = cat)