Hard Times Succession Game - Page 5

Scouse Gits · January 31, 2003, 18:06

Ve note zat Albi Central haz d/led ze game...
Your comment Sir?

The SGs just settling into the first bottle

Scouse Gits · January 31, 2003, 18:08

Beat you JR

SGs

La Fayette · January 31, 2003, 18:30

Quote:

Originally posted by Scouse Gits

I played until I took Trondheim in 1060AD.

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SG(2)

We have a say in french: "Tous les chemins mènent à Rome".
In this case it would become: "Tous les chemins mènent à Tronheim"... (which is precisely what I did when I was 20 years old, in order to meet that Norwegian girl

)

Congratulations for fine Republican management

(Republican management leading to war: I guess Mr Bush would appreciate

)

La Fayette · January 31, 2003, 18:44

BTW I bet Straybow will highly appreciate that 'Ironclad Dock'

Bloody Monk · January 31, 2003, 18:50

Well aware am I as to the common useage of those terms here. My querry was more to the roots of those words; as in, lagomorph does not appear in my dictionary. Is it from Latin, or something??

It does however have this to say about rabbit: "1. a burrowing RODENT of the hare family." Sorry, -Jrabbit.

Monk

-Jrabbit · January 31, 2003, 19:32

BAD dictionary.
BAD!!!!

If it doesn't even recognize lagomorph as a word, it stands to reason that one might question their accuracy in related matters. Just another example of the specious, ignorant slagging my kind must endure.

(sigh)

Scouse Gits · January 31, 2003, 19:41

ROTFLOAO

The SGs two bottles down

-Jrabbit · February 2, 2003, 02:42

Sorry, gang. I've had FNSGS, followed by mandatory attendance at daughter's competitive activities today. Sunday is my brother's 40th, so that will eat more time.

Holding out hope for Sunday late to get after this...

Straybow · February 2, 2003, 23:42

Lepus/Leporidae is the Latin, used in the Linean family or genus name, while the Greek is Lagos, used in the order name. If you look up lagomorph in a respectable dictionary

Quote:

any of an order (Lagomorpha) of gnawing herbivorous mammals having two pairs of incisors in the upper jaw one behind the other and comprising the rabbits, hares, and pikas

and for rodent, as a Linean order Rodentia is separate from Lagomorpha, but that's not the whole story…

Quote:

1 : any of an order (Rodentia) of relatively small gnawing mammals (as a mouse, a squirrel, or a beaver) that have in both jaws a single pair of incisors with a chisel-shaped edge
2 : a small mammal (as a rabbit or a shrew) other than a true rodent

-Jrabbit · February 3, 2003, 02:08

Thanks for setting them straight, Straybow!!

I knew I was right (having been taught well by my daughter WHO IS NEVER WRONG -- but haven't had time to do this basic research.

More Rabbit News (Gnaws?) come daylight. Stay tuned...

Bloody Monk · February 3, 2003, 02:17

Well as I stated previously, I was quoting my college dictionary from 1965. Webster's New World Dictionary of the American Language. It WAS considered respectable then. But not finding an answer therein, I asked here. Thanks for the help, gents.

Monks have robes with no pockets, so I've had to hang on to such ancient resources far beyond their use-by date. Who knew definitions change!!

Monk

-Jrabbit · February 3, 2003, 14:19

Lagomorphic runes appear, writ in blood. The ppl wait and ponder, "Though these are Hard Times indeed, whatever cruel twist of Fate can it be that rests our future in the hands of a rabbit?"

1140 AD
-Jrabbit the Imperator surveys the kingdom. He sees a profitable (177GP/turn) Republic spread across three continents. Is this right and just? For a Monarchy will produce much-needed shields, and the sage Oedo decrees that 1180 and 1260 are among the upcoming years ripe for change.

The scientists wallow in disuse (10%, 20 turns), yet the ppl seems oddly pleased (30%). -Jrabbit charts a course -- the needed techs are Democracy, Gunpowder, Economics, and Sanitation, plus a trip down the path of Steam Engine - Railroad - Industrialization.

As for the rest of the world, little is known beyond the ancient maps, as no embassies

exist. With both the Russians and Babylonians, a state of war exists. With the Spanish, a cease fire. Our reputation is Excellent. Diplomatic relations do not improve after introducing himself to foreign representative.

Idly playing with the distribution of resources, -Jrabbit elects to release some of the tax (30%) burden on the ppl, redeploying needed resources to the research community (60%, 5 turns). Reduced to 10% luxuries,

several cities end their celebrations. WLTxD?

Not so much...

1160 AD
--Though Hard Done By, we are still the most powerful civ in the world. vikes are #2, followed by Spain, Russia, Babylon, and China.
--Wine shipment delivered in Stick Spit = 62 GP
--Monarchy? Revolt? Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... NO. We stay in Republic!

1180 AD
--Russian horse spotted south of Port Trondheim. and killed, netting a vet crusader.

--whale Woe Gems delivered to Jorvic, netting 396 GP.

--Our caravel spots a Russian caravel, sinks it and all 3 passenger units aboard.

--We use the proceeds to buy some white goods, promote camel-breeding.
--viking cat spotted near Aarhuis; dip screen won't permit tribute request.

1200 AD
--Hard done By wise men discover Invention!
--With choice of Democracy, Economics, Steam Engine (and some unwanted techs), -Jrabbit tanks a bit. Though he loves 'clads and has always wanted to meed Adam Smith, it's DEMOCRACY time!
--Viking cat approaches Aarhus. We parley with Vikes. The declare WAR. They's now got a dead cat.

--Peace with Babylonians.

1220 AD
--Spanish trireme lands elephant, settler on Viking continent.
--Our trade caravel spots the last Viking city, Westness.
--Establish Viking embassy. They are an aggressively expansive Republic with 888 GP, at war with Spain. 9 cities, capital = Trondheim, studying Astronomy.

1240 AD
--Spanish begin Great Library
--Vikes, Russkies secretly

ally against us.
--We continue our camel-tickling.

1260 AD
--Stick Spit silk delivered to 2 Whales, nets 90 GP.
--Brutally murder Vike chariot at Little Trondheim.
--vikings, Spanish declare Peace with each other.
--Oedo sends reminder to

-- but -Jrabbit ignores him.

1280 AD
--Wise men discover DEMOCRACY!!

The Lady beckons...
--Choice of Gunpowder, Economics, Sanitation, Chivalry. Even -Jrabbit knows it's a fool who has a chance to be first to Gunpowder and doesn't grab it!
--Coal shipment form WasZimbabwe to Roskilde nets 215 GP.
--Beads delivered to Tronheim. Even without demand, this yields 208 GP.

--Our vet cruc in Port Trondheim loses to marauding Russian archer on mountain.

--Newfound wealth yields much tickling.

1300 AD
--Vikings complete Astronomy.
--Barbs land on north pole, near Ironlake Valley.
--Camel-tickling continues.

1320 AD
--Disorder in WasZimbabwe.

--Statue Of Freaking Liberty completed in Frozen Vines.

--Parley with Spanish yields WAR.
--Wise men discover GUNPOWDER!

--With Steam Engine and Sanitation available, for some reason, the Lagomorph elects Metallurgy.

--Klondike copper to Westness nets 160 GP.
--Spot Spanish city of Barcelona (1) on Viking land.
--Babs evict our exploring Diplomat, sending him all the way to Woebegone.
--Thumbing his nose at Oedo, -Jrabbit declares Revolution.

1340 AD
--Now, which will it be? Fundy, commie, or... DEMOCRACY!!
--Ppl declare -Jrabbit President.

--Sliders moved to 40 tax, 10 science, 50 luxury in preparation for explosive growth to Many Size Twelve Cities.
--Betting on a NONE, we bribe Spanish settler near Aarhuis for 348 GP. And lose that bet...
--Upset by non-NONE settler, we kill Spanish ellie outside Aarhuis.

While the cute and fuzzy President Bunny would love to personally oversee some city growth prior to instituting a Fundy blitzkrieg, his advisors persuade him to get some sleep and let someone else be Hard Done By for awhile.

-Jrabbit · February 3, 2003, 14:30

Confident that the table has been set for success, -Jrabbit summons the Bloody Monk to the Oval Office for induction. he is instructed that there are some settlers to be mindful of, that there's a southern outpost that needs attention, a southern explorer headed to the polar region, and a half-dozen camels staged for delivery. And Vet Frigates can escort themselves!

Sorry I went Metllurgy, gang. My plan was to go with Steam Engine and... well, I just mumble mumble mumble...

Anyway, the

Vikings (and their three WoWs are ripe for the taking, though they are starting to wall some cities. Once this small task is complete, the world is the mollusk of our choice...

Scouse Gits · February 3, 2003, 20:37

Did anyone else have trouble opening the lagomorph's zip file?

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SG(2)

Bloody Monk · February 3, 2003, 21:12

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Originally posted by -Jrabbit
Confident that the table has been set for success, -Jrabbit summons the Bloody Monk to the Oval Office for induction. he is instructed that there are some settlers to be mindful of, that there's a southern outpost that needs attention, a southern explorer headed to the polar region, and a half-dozen camels staged for delivery. And Vet Frigates can escort themselves!

Sorry I went Metllurgy, gang. My plan was to go with Steam Engine and... well, I just mumble mumble mumble...

Anyway, the

Vikings (and their three WoWs are ripe for the taking, though they are starting to wall some cities. Once this small task is complete, the world is the mollusk of our choice...

-Jrabbit,

As the Monk shimmers into solid form in the throne room--or should I note, Oval Office--his disposition is thrown for a loop, or two, by the reality belying the pretty words quoted above. 'A small task', 'confident in success', 'many size twelve cities' to-be...from celebrating in Democracy, but with a new fleet of frigates, and eight cities in revolt from a sloppy revolution. Reading the log, it seems everything went swimmingly up to the last turn. Wish I could play from 1320. Oh, well...

Since you seem to like giving instructions, however cryptic, perhaps you could instruct this poor Monk as to:

1) Democracy

How is this a good choice here?? We can't send any unit to the field without disorder--or massive Lux. There is no infra-structure to grow the "many size twelve cities" you imagine, nor food surpluses, or settlers to irrigate. I can only find a handful of cities that can grow, even for one turn, and that needs a bump in Lux.

You must have had a higher vision than I can engage that led you to Demo rather than Fundy. Please advise and I will happily bow to your Demo path.

2) NON Settlers from bribe

An AI settler two tiles from our city and four from his city, and you 'gambled" on getting a NON??!?? I feel pretty sure you know better. Were you sleepy or drunk, or both?? I hope you are not coming down with something. I'll make this work, but 348 gold pieces would build at least two much-needed aquaducts. That's a very special settler--at least he is not theirs anymore.

3) 8 cities in disorder after revolt

That's a lot of arrows lost because you couldn't be bothered to adjust the city list after going into revolt. MP'ers say they can't risk the time in their game, but that is not an issue here. Perhaps you do not know that after clicking to revolt, you can open the attitude screen and adjust for red city problems. That way, you don't lose anything to disorder and those cities can begin to celebrate a turn earlier. That's a pretty decent reason to handle things, I think.

4) Metallurgy

Getting to Corp and Freights might have been a better trade oriented path, but there's nothing wrong with cannons.

In reading this over it sounds very sarcastic and I don't mean it that way. I just don't get it. Please help me out with your thinking, vision. And BTW, your save was not a save again. It unzips as a zip; but, changing that, after it's been unzipped, to .sav makes it work.

Monk

Six Thousand Year Old Man · February 3, 2003, 21:31

Hard times, indeed!

I'd hold off on Demo until Mr Bach settles down at the piano, in his sequined shirt and boa.

And if we're in Demo/Republic, units are at a premium, so they might as well be the BEST units... anyone for Leo?

Bloody Monk · February 3, 2003, 21:56

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Originally posted by Six Thousand Year Old Man
Hard times, indeed!

I'd hold off on Demo until Mr Bach settles down at the piano, in his sequined shirt and boa.

And if we're in Demo/Republic, units are at a premium, so they might as well be the BEST units... anyone for Leo?

But we are in Demo--at least for now.

You bring up a good point about Leo. How many vets would we lose against 13 upgrades to musket, etc. Looks good to me.

What about Cope's, etc, in 2 whales?? An SSC would surely help our science rate. What do you think??

I'm still considering the board. I may do a few turns in Demo, since we are already here. This will enhance any deliveries and add a few pops. Then I think Fundy, temples, pile up cash; add white goods to prepare for a proper celebrating Demo. If the Vik's are in fact building Walls, then I'd like to take what I can before they complete them.

Monk

Six Thousand Year Old Man · February 3, 2003, 22:55

I like Copes.

And I like Leos.

And I realize we're in Demo, I was just bringing my brilliant hindsight to bear, along with a Bach-as-Liberace joke that went unnoticed

Since we're in Demo now... and you intend to stay in it... it makes perfect sense to crank out 14 zero-unhappiness food 'vans for Leo and Nicky Copernicus, and deliver a few more vans around the empire and overseas...

Alternatively... if you're leaving Demo for Fundy, we'd probably be better off building Lee's Cathedral (JSB) instead of Copernicus. High science and Fundamentalism don't mix... Copernicus would be underutilized. JSB in Fundy=+2 tithes/city.

Bloody Monk · February 3, 2003, 23:50

I got the joke and it's pretty good; better if JSB was an option now. Theology is only a rumor ATM.

And my view of going Fundy, if at all, would be temporary, to build up the cash to buy the white goods needed to celebrate--in Democracy. Maybe enough can be made from trade to avoid Fundy; still studying the save...and hoping for a bit more leg from the rabbit.

With only ten turns we need to make a pass at working toward a common goal, IMHO. Otherwise, a lot of time gets wasted shifting back and forth. That's why I asked for input from -Jr. so I might understand enough to honor his intent by continuing in the flow he started.

Similarly, nothing started by me will complete in my turns. And yes, I know this is a SXN and not Democracy Game. Nothing is intended by me to limit anyone's choices. I don't have a problem with guiding the development according to the next guy's preference if I understand the intent.

If nobody wants to chime in, I'll run with what I see.

Monk

Six Thousand Year Old Man · February 4, 2003, 00:05

Maybe you should ask Hydey then

Myself - sure, we could steamroll over the Vikings, particularly with Leos and a beeline to Steam/Leadership - but I like the idea of trading until our fingers bleed and building a fast spaceship, down the road. When I first saw the map, and all the river/ocean squares we'd be working... I figured a small trade empire would work well, rather than a sprawling ICS military juggernaut. So Republic/Demo is fine by me.

Besides, Theology can't be that far away, if we have Demo?

Scouse Gits · February 4, 2003, 05:43

FUNDY

Just my 2 pen'th

SG[1]

-Jrabbit · February 4, 2003, 15:26

Bloody Monk --
Let me start by saying that, while neither is a decent excuse, I was very tired by the end of things, and yes, I have a really obnoxious cold. A rare day home from the office today...

Sorry about the dodgy save technique. Thanx for fixing.

As for the poorly-run change to Demo, I have no excuse. Figured that you'd make the needed adjustments before changing the year and we'd be home free.

Pretty stupid, I agree. I recall a thought process (if it can be called such) along the lines of "Well, we're in Republic, which is much tougher to run than Demo, and all those extra arrows (no corruption) will be huge for us. So this should be easy. Besides, we have SOL, so the next player will just do as he pleases anyway."

In reality, all I was trying to do was get us the SOL so we'd be free to trash the Vikings. Yeah, that means Fundy (the reason we acquired several temples). But I hit Demo based on the need to grow.

BTW, Theology appeared in the last 2 tech choice screens, so we're still 2 techs away from it as an option.

And yeah, it was the cannons that swayed me to Metallurgy. (Not my normal choice.)

Did I think it through the gov't change? Absolutely not.

If I had it to do all over, I'd have just left us in Repub for you to work your magic on.

Now it's your job to fix it, my place to apologize.

C'est la joie de la Succession...

Humbly yours,
The Bad Bunny

Straybow · February 4, 2003, 20:21

Ouch! The Monk ripped the bunny a new one to the posterior to match the two sets of incisors to the anterior…

Bloody Monk · February 4, 2003, 21:38

Actually, no. That was not my intent; and, you can tell by his response that -JMAN didn't take it as a rip, either. Tough love for a King level brother who, I was sure, was playing sick, or somehow off his game.

If you read his response...When I read your response -J, I can't help but be impressed by the straightforward way you owned the truth. That shows a huge degree of character. If there was any hurt in what I wrote I am sorry. And I hope you feel better soon.

I spent most of today in a memorial for the Astronauts and am getting a late start on the game. Hope to post later tonight.

Monk

La Fayette · February 4, 2003, 21:54

Straybow
Quasiqueue?
(I bet my dictionary is not thick enough

)

Bloody Monk · February 5, 2003, 01:19

I've looked and looked trying to make Democracy work now, but I don't think it will be as good as Fundy. The lack of infra-structure and food means only six cities can celebrate even one turn, and that requires 60% Lux. With Fundamentalism, 34 shields get freed up from support and cash will increase.

1--Change to Fundy Gov't

2--My view is that the Vikings must die

Their big land mass should be ours, and sooner is better if they are building walls.

3--Big push to build Leo's...many white goods changed to camels
Later, aim for JSBach enabling Demo if desired.

4--Use Fundy cash, deliveries, and plunder to rush temples, harbors, and aquaducts so a growing Democracy will be possible if desired

5--Go after the Russians and Spanish and look to trade with the Babs and Chin later.

6--Have fun and hope for the best

Monk

La Fayette · February 5, 2003, 03:45

Quote:

Originally posted by Bloody Monk
2--My view is that the Vikings must die

Their big land mass should be ours, and sooner is better if they are building walls.
Monk

in memoriam

This is what the wise king LF stated long ago

Of course, I agree...

Bloody Monk · February 5, 2003, 04:00

Quote:

Originally posted by La Fayette

in memoriam

This is what the wise king LF stated long ago

Of course, I agree...

Wise king indeed!!

It is going well, using rushed up crooks and dips for the walls.

Need sleep, now. Don't want to have a brain lock and do somethng to get myself scolded.

Will finish and post in about six hours.

Monk

Scouse Gits · February 5, 2003, 08:28

Sounds good guys - hope the bruised lagomorph is soon back up to speed

Fundy - Yeah

SG[1]

-Jrabbit · February 5, 2003, 11:33

Limped in to work today, hoping I'm not too infectious anymore. Too many 2do's to stay out...

BM -- no hard feelings. Your read on the situation was accurate.
Especially the part about my exceptional depth of character.

Hey, I do this for fun. I had my fun. (Even attained *most* of my goals.) Now the rest of the team will have their fun.

I've seen a number of ppl walk away from activities and discussions -- in a snit -- on 'Poly after taking criticism or when things otherwise did not go their way. It always amazes me that it's taken so personally.

I mean, I love Civ2 and think I generally have a clue in running a decent game. But I know I've got a lot to learn. And after all,

[heresy]
IT'S JUST A BLEEDIN' GAME!
[/heresy]

On the mend,
High on zinc and vitamin C,

-Jrabbit