Motion for Map Exchange and possible new vote on WAR

mapfi · January 20, 2003, 09:19

As we discussed in the Chat thread, Pedrunn unfortunately did the diplo proposal the wrong way.

I'm asking the Minister of Diplomacy and the President to please try the deal on the current savegame again the right way around - it still should work as Locutus pointed out and if not - there's no harm.

If it works I'm asking for a new vote on the war by our Minister of Defense.

So, if IW is fast enough and agrees or Locutus (if he wins) then Pedrunn could do this today and tell us of the results.

Pedrunn · January 20, 2003, 09:39

I suggested that in the chat right before the turn end but nobody agreed not to. So I think from this point this is cheating since we did play ahead (sending the exchange map proposal).

mapfi · January 20, 2003, 09:41

no - i don't mean reload the game - i meant try the proposal again on the current savegame - just sending it again for the second time but the right way around, no additional money, no going back, just plain give me your map and i'll give you mine

Maquiladora · January 20, 2003, 09:44

Its worth a try, we might get more information without having to start a whole new turn chat. The we can start some more informed polls.

Pedrunn · January 20, 2003, 09:46

you mean sending the same exchange map proposal the other way around? first the request and then the offer?

mapfi · January 20, 2003, 09:49

exactly! where's IW when we need him?!

Immortal Wombat · January 20, 2003, 09:52

here

Immortal Wombat · January 20, 2003, 09:55

or rather, at school, with no CtP2 access. So I can't try it out.

Pedrunn · January 20, 2003, 09:56

IW can i send the inversed proposal now?

mapfi · January 20, 2003, 09:57

you are not supposed to try it out - just give Pedrunn the permission to do so - I assume you already have indirectly with your post...

Pedrunn · January 20, 2003, 10:10

If you try you are going to be punished because you inflicted the Section 5 of the Article I of the constitution. Which is the main article. The Bill of Rights! The punishment will be enormous!!!

IW, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Was I too dramatic!?!

Maquiladora · January 20, 2003, 10:16

Locutus · January 20, 2003, 11:17

If I become the new Diplomacy Minister, my first order of business will be to strongly urge Pedrunn to try another (reversed) map-exchange. That is, if IW doesn't beat me to it

Immortal Wombat · January 20, 2003, 12:01

You said I could:

Quote:

Originally posted by mapfi
I'm asking the Minister of Diplomacy and the President to please try the deal on the current savegame again the right way around - it still should work as Locutus pointed out and if not - there's no harm.

Anyway, Pedrunn can, sure.

Locutus, make up your mind. Will your first order of business be to appoint a delegate or do the urging? I'm unclear as to your policy

Locutus · January 20, 2003, 12:20

If events require me to change my policies to suit them, I will not hesitate to do so. This merely proves my flexibity...

In case I would have to make something else my first order of business, appointing a delegate would become my second order of business, that goes without saying...

BTW, I think that should the map-exchange fails, we should also try to threaten the Austrians: there's no risk involved in threatening (single threats have no known downside), but it does (slightly) increase the chance of getting what we want. So I also want to ask Pedrunn and IW to consider this option.

H Tower · January 20, 2003, 12:38

Quote:

Originally posted by Locutus
If events require me to change my policies to suit them, I will not hesitate to do so. This merely proves my flexibity...

or lack of conviction

Locutus · January 20, 2003, 15:44

Well, the people of Lemuria didn't agree with you, H Tower. They gave the job to me

Pedrunn,
My official advise as new Minister of Diplomacy, Science and Trade is that you should attempt a map exchange with the Austrians as soon as possible. First request their map and then offer our map in return. If they refuse, theaten them to declare war (without actually doing so, of course (not yet)). It is imperative that this happens as soon as possible, so we know where we stand in determining what path to follow in the days and weeks ahead. (For this reason I won't poll if we should threaten, even though I feel this would ordinarily be better).

mapfi · January 20, 2003, 17:45

So Pedrunn - any news?

Locutus · January 20, 2003, 19:10

BTW, finally had a chance to look at the savegame and the diplomatic situation looks a lot better than I thought. I'm fairly certain we should still be able to get their map, even without threatening

Maquiladora · January 21, 2003, 00:16

Okay so now we got their map, do we need to reassess the War poll?

centrifuge · January 21, 2003, 13:39

Let's reasses after we take a good look at the map. So that we can be assured of our circumstances. I think that most people agree that we will be attacking Austria sometime in the near future... We do however need to wait until the time is right. (kind of the same stance that the CTP1 Egyptians are holding with the Greeks

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child of Thor · January 21, 2003, 13:57

well i'm not sure if i like trying it again. I suppose it doesn't do any real harm but i'm not sure how likely this situation would be in RL - it is cheating a little bit. Part of the fun of guideing our nation is the mistakes, so maybe we should just chalk this down to experience and NEXT time do it the right way around? what you all think? I still think the war vote stands, but if another one wants to be done by enough of the people then i see no harm in that.

HuangShang · January 21, 2003, 21:13

what where was i when all this happened?