What is wrong with France? - Page 3

Maroule · January 23, 2003, 12:49

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Originally posted by Ozz

That's why France gets bashed, no respect for other civilized countries. Sooner or later they alieninate everyone.

you're pushing it
France has this very arrogant thing about the rest of the world, but is also very appreciative from many foreign things, from the 18th century where Chinese art was the rage in the royal court to today where many foreign directors have a much larger following in France than in their native country (M. Leigh, W. Allen). The one movie now doing exceeding well is a old Miyazaki (1986) that is re-shown. Paris is also where you'll find the most galleries on African Arts.

Now, that's not to excuse diplomatic blunders. But when a canadian minister says Bush is an idiot, does it mean that canadians have 'no respect for the rest of the world'?

Richelieu · January 23, 2003, 12:56

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Originally posted by Ozz

Your not the only one wishing that.

Edan · January 23, 2003, 13:13

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Originally posted by Richelieu

Either he means he wishes he were in france too. Or he wishes you were in france just as much as you do.

Richelieu · January 23, 2003, 13:15

I was hoping he would clarify both the meaning and the reasons.

Chris 62 · January 23, 2003, 13:37

There is nothing wrong with France.

The French are another matter.

I think the misquote from Star Wars discribes them best:

"You will never find a more retched hive of scum and villany, ...then France, ".

Ozz · January 23, 2003, 13:40

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Originally posted by Edan
Either he means he wishes he were in france too. Or he wishes you were in france just as much as you do.

Both

It a frickin' blizzard outside -20 C temperature, high winds, can only see 20 or 30 meters. Walk 2 blocks and yer face is frost bit.

I'm guessing it's the same in Quebec today.

That should clear things up.

Ozz · January 23, 2003, 13:49

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Originally posted by Maroule
Now, that's not to excuse diplomatic blunders. But when a canadian minister says Bush is an idiot, does it mean that canadians have 'no respect for the rest of the world'?

It was no blunder, it was a setup shot at Bush.

Quite a bit of differience between callin' names and
blowin' off nukes in the south pacific and commiting
terrorist bomb attacks in New Zealand as part of
state policy.

Bereta_Eder · January 23, 2003, 14:08

"That's why France gets bashed, no respect for other civilized countries. Sooner or later they alieninate everyone. "

No, no my dear Ozz. You should never mistake forums for real life.

France may be alianating the US. This is not the whole world.
Apolyton is populated by english and americans. What you see here is not representative of the world.
Just of UK and US. Two countries which have problems with France.

Richelieu · January 23, 2003, 14:10

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Originally posted by Ozz

Both

It a frickin' blizzard outside -20 C temperature, high winds, can only see 20 or 30 meters. Walk 2 blocks and yer face is frost bit.

I'm guessing it's the same in Quebec today.

That should clear things up.

Oddly enough, that's what my initial post was about also.
I've lived most of my life in northwestern Quebec. I'm used to the cold, the long winters etc... but i still hate it. With a passion.

Japher · January 23, 2003, 14:12

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but where the hell is it again American business to decide whom France should or shouldn´t invite?

You stay out of our buisness and we'll stay out of yours.

Besides, you want to talk Emperialism? What the heck are the French and the entire EU trying to do? Selective Emperialism?

It is just another "boy's club" that no one really wants to join. An economy is only as strong as it's weakest link...

DinoDoc · January 23, 2003, 14:12

Why are the French inviting Mugabe for a State visit anyway?

Arrian · January 23, 2003, 14:13

[continued threadjack]

This is a particularly cold spell, at least down here. It's been a long time since we've had temperatures down around 0 F. Accordingly to the radio, however, we're due for a heat wave tomorrow (25F high). Woohoo!

[/threadjack]

Uh, yeah, the French suck and stuff.

-Arrian

Bereta_Eder · January 23, 2003, 14:14

Japher, the euro is stronger than the dollar.
Some years back noone in the US thought that the euro could ever exist let alone overtake the almighty dollar.

I like to think of this as a sign of potential.

Bereta_Eder · January 23, 2003, 14:18

_It is just another "boy's club" that no one really wants to join.

All of Europe wants to join the EU and also Turkey.

Japher · January 23, 2003, 14:18

paiktis... I am not bad mouthing the euro. I am actually happy to have something to hedge against!

Chris 62 · January 23, 2003, 14:20

Paiktis, if your not going to mock France, please be quiet.

Bereta_Eder · January 23, 2003, 14:21

I myself hate the sloppy way it was introduced. Not that it wasn't a major thing to do and that there were major problems for such a great feat. There weren't.

But we are the generation that suffered all the speculative tricks shrewd businessmen thought of and implemented and states were incapable of controlling. (like artificial raise of prices which indeed did translate to higher inflation).

Japher · January 23, 2003, 14:22

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All of Europe wants to join the EU and also Turkey

They should let them... It's still Emperialistic... Creative Emperialism... And to think the US is always getting the hack for that.

Unstable foreign economic issues are a concern for America and the UK and should be a concern for the whole world. The EU is a representation of such an economy... Though I am not saying we should only do buisness with Argentina.

Bereta_Eder · January 23, 2003, 14:22

@ Chris

Bereta_Eder · January 23, 2003, 14:24

EU cannot let in a country that has no real democracy,tortures and mass killings of its population.
These taken away, the EU will think about it.

Also If Turkey joins the financial cost would be crushing not to mention that we would have common borders with Iraq Syria and others.

There is still much discussion to be done on this point.

Having said that I support the entrance of Turkey if and when it becomes democratic.

Chris 62 · January 23, 2003, 14:27

Paiktis, Äåí èá åíï÷ëïýìïõí áðü ôç äïëïöïíßá ïñéóìÝíïé ÃÜëëïé.

Seriously.

Bereta_Eder · January 23, 2003, 14:30

Chris the french are just protecting their interests.
It is a matter which has many parameters .
Also the Germans paid huge for the last war in the gulf, they don't want to pay again.
There are many paramteres to this as you know.

Chris 62 · January 23, 2003, 14:33

They can protest and complain all they like.

I hear they owe the EU a considerable sum due to some agriculture matters, so they need some ready cash, from, say, Saddam......

GePap · January 23, 2003, 14:33

"I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just" Thomas Jefferson

France's biggest mistake: helping the US come into being (why would anyone be so masochistic?)
France's 2nd biggest mistake: The Statue of Liberty as a gift to such ungrateful kids (only makes thier heads bigger, doesn't it?)

What's right with France?

The Women
The Food
The Wine
The Culture
The Countryside

I now await the "Jingo Boys"...

Japher · January 23, 2003, 14:47

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EU cannot let in a country that has no real democracy,tortures and mass killings of its population.

and then... the hazings.

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France's biggest mistake: helping the US come into being (why would anyone be so masochistic?)
France's 2nd biggest mistake: The Statue of Liberty as a gift to such ungrateful kids (only makes thier heads bigger, doesn't it?)

The US and UK's mistake, bailing out France...You should all be speaking German!

The US has repaid France in countless ways for the "support" given in the Revolution and for a nice statue... Like saving your butts! Yet, they still haven't paid for making Quebec! (just kidding)

GePap · January 23, 2003, 14:56

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Originally posted by Japher

The US and UK's mistake, bailing out France...You should all be speaking German!

The US has repaid France in countless ways for the "support" given in the Revolution and for a nice statue... Like saving your butts! Yet, they still haven't paid for making Quebec! (just kidding)

"Support": Without the French, the US might very easily not exist at all, or ina very different form.
"Countless?" 1, 2... hey, most people can count to 2! and that is if you assume the Germans were actually going to win once their spring 1918 offensive pettered out (at which point, American forces on the ground in France were minimal).
Oh, and as for the UK: They would be speaking German as well, but were saved (as they have, countless times) by 24 miles of water. Life is easier with a Moat, isn't it? After all, most times someone got through, they won....

The US saved France in 1945, and since then, Americans haven't been able to figure out why the French don't go around kissing their asses every day, which is why Americans hate the French so...It galls americans to have anyone both think they are better than us, and tell it to our faces (after all, US #1 and all that crap)

Japher · January 23, 2003, 15:26

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It galls americans to have anyone both think they are better than us, and tell it to our faces (after all, US #1 and all that crap)

Sounds like the French have a problem with it too.

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France's biggest mistake: helping the US come into being (why would anyone be so masochistic?)

What's so masochistic about it?

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The US saved France in 1945

That seems to round it out!

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France's 2nd biggest mistake: The Statue of Liberty as a gift to such ungrateful kids (only makes thier heads bigger, doesn't it?)

Ungrateful?!! Would we hold as such a prize possesion if we did not appreciate it?! What are you trying to get at? So we need a gift from France to make us feel all warm and fuzzy? Why would you even think that? If it was up to me I'd send it back!

I generally agree with you on other topics Gepap, but not on this one. France and the US have long history of friendship and peace between the two countries, and I would like to see it continue.

Az · January 23, 2003, 15:38

can I join the mudslinging too? can I? can I?

GePap · January 23, 2003, 15:39

Japher:

I am only trying to rile up the rabid (foaming at the mouth rabid) American Francophobes we have in this forum. I can understand why Birts might always like insulting the French: after all, they are basically family, and have been dealing with each other for 900 plus years now. Americans have only been around 400 at best, and had their own country for 230 something, and yet we are more rabid in our Francophobia than the English. Interestingly enough, the French don't care about the English anymore, and do prefer to go after Americans (poor English, keep taunting the French, but the French no longer don't give a damn...)

So I am glad you want to see France and the US allies and friends. So do I, but tell that to the "jingo boys" here on the forum.

Sandman · January 23, 2003, 15:40

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Right. Cause trying to prevent Saddam from having access to chemical and biological weapons, after he used them in the past to kill tens or hundreds of thousands - that would be insane, right?

Strawman! The fact is that chemical and biological weapons are difficult to use effectively and have seldom been worth the trouble of using.

Weapons which have killed many more people include machine guns, aerial bombardment and swords. Why aren't these included as weapons of mass destruction?

The inclusion of chemical and biological weapons next to nukes is akin to including cod and salmon next to great whites as 'dangerous fish'.