Danish Scout Camp Features Nazi Game - Page 2

aaglo · January 24, 2003, 06:24

No, you are not lucky freak, you are just a young freak, DroseDars.

About the black man. In the early 90's the word 'neekeri' (you can guess the original word) was an acceptable word. But due to the linguistical pressure by the foreign countries, the status of that word has changed.

Pekka · January 24, 2003, 06:27

I blame the adults!

We don't have that same kind of PC thing as you do in the States. Well we're developing it, since we're not isolated anymore.

tinyp3nis · January 24, 2003, 06:28

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I understand that, Pekka. Kids don't get it, but adults do and they allowed it. Almost certainly it evolved as a reference to Africans, but who originated the game is lost to time...as is their intention.

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=innocent*1+0 something to think about no? The adults were evil you think? Sure hope not.

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I don't want to beat the dead horse, so I'll just say I'm glad you've realized the problem with the way that game was played in the past and leave it at that.

What problem? It wasn't a problem for anyone back then. The only problem is when uptight people NOW hear about the "evil old days" and whine.
Not everything is about race, go figure huh.

Pekka · January 24, 2003, 06:29

aaglo, yes but the word 'neekeri' means negro. Not that other word. It's not that acceptable anymore, but people need to understand that it didn't mean anything, and that it was not meant to be offensive.

People simply did not know what is ok to say and what is not. I think black man in finnish is a bit offensive, more as it is in english. Of course people could think about it and just call them by their first name

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Pekka · January 24, 2003, 06:31

tinyp3nis, exactly, it was not a problem then. It wasn't meant to be racist. Anway, I think you see the problem now though... since there are black kids in schools, so it's maybe not the coolest thing, because you can play it with different name.

aaglo · January 24, 2003, 06:32

Pekka, that other word also meant negro.

Pekka · January 24, 2003, 06:36

I don't follow you.

Neekeri = Negro
Nekru = Nigger

tinyp3nis · January 24, 2003, 06:37

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Originally posted by Pekka
tinyp3nis, exactly, it was not a problem then. It wasn't meant to be racist. Anway, I think you see the problem now though... since there are black kids in schools, so it's maybe not the coolest thing, because you can play it with different name.

Yeah, It's not the word you use, it's the fact that if you are mentioned separately it hurts. Sometimes PC can be really offensive. It tells that the person speaking is obviously thinking about the race/difference in the other person(if person is different in other ways, handicapped etc).

aaglo · January 24, 2003, 06:38

Nekru = shorter version of neekeri

Pekka · January 24, 2003, 06:38

aaglo, no it's not. It's exaclty like I posted there. Go live in your cave, lande!

Pekka · January 24, 2003, 06:40

Nekru is not just a short version of Neekeri. Nekru is definitely meant to be offensive, like the word 'nigger', and that is what it means, exact translation. Dude, you got your finnish messed up

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aaglo · January 24, 2003, 06:42

Pekka, you are so young boy, that you obviously don't know the true story about those finnish words...

You'd better ask your mom to change your diapers.

Pekka · January 24, 2003, 06:45

No, it's you that is wrong! But if you're so sure about yourself, why don't you educate me and tell the story about it, and not some 'this is how I grew up', but official with sources?

DRoseDARs · January 24, 2003, 06:47

HEY!!! Knock that off! Don't you be turning this into another "Finnish Language" thread.

*Sigh* Finns...

MRT144 · January 24, 2003, 07:05

god bless drosedars for ending the finnish sausage fest

DRoseDARs · January 24, 2003, 07:13

We were starting to drift off-topic WELL before the "I've been speaking the language longer than you have" arguement, but it seemed like a good time to start paddling back on-topic...

BTW I've been getting into those IBSTLLTYH arguements with my mom fairly often nowadays.

Edit: IBSTLLTYH = "I've Been Speaking The Language Longer Than You Have" arguement/defence

aaglo · January 24, 2003, 07:18

We were just kidding. Oh boy, you murricans are easilly intimidated

Pekka · January 24, 2003, 07:20

True.. (but deep inside I think I was right...)..

MRT144 · January 24, 2003, 07:20

by the mighty gods of finland!

Mazarin · January 24, 2003, 07:20

IBSTLLTYH

...would you mind explaining that to non-native speaker?

sorry for the off-topic, btw

Pekka · January 24, 2003, 07:27

short from 'I've Been Speaking This Language Longer Than You Have'.

Wernazuma III · January 24, 2003, 07:31

It's a f*cked up story

It's incredible how ignorant and/or naive or blatantly stupid people can be.
I'm sure the idiot guy really "didn't mean to hurt anyone"

Wernazuma III · January 24, 2003, 07:58

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Originally posted by Gangerolf
I don't think they're racist. They're just trying to teach the kids how crazy/evil/stupid the Nazis were.

Maybe not the ideal way to do it, but still pretty harmless.

I think they didn't want to teach anything. They just thought it was a fun game. But exactly because of that it's not harmless. Beside the fact that such a game is highly insensible, it's also ignorant and unreflected, two major reasons why people are often willing to accept propaganda. The essence of the game is: "It might be fun to chase jews" or you might to feel good with a swastika on your arm...
Period.

One word to my European friends: It's not at all enough to point to the Americans and ignore that we have a rich and dangerous racist history. Don't defend such behavior or make it seem that this is just an isolated example. We're not immune, we don't have the perfect society, we do have problems.

One word to DD and the gang: Don't rejoice about such facts. You now get stories like these over the media in order to get an image of a all in all corrupted Europe that "should the f*ck shut up, because they don't have the moral integrity"

It seems to be presented to you now massively because many over here oppose America's politics. Let me say it clearly: No way I will now feel guilty and acknowledge America's moral superiority.
This story is bad in itself but doesn't discreditate the stance against war in Iraq or other criticism against the US.
DD and others on page 1 of this thread again made fun that someone would blame America for such things happening, but no one does, sorry guys. The story's bad - period.

Az · January 24, 2003, 09:22

the "black man" story.

Boris Godunov · January 24, 2003, 09:24

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Originally posted by Ned
Just more European racism. Is anyone really surprised?

Or maybe...

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The Danish Christian FDF scout group put up swastikas and Nazi-type signs and had the children wear yellow Stars of David as they were chased around the school yard at the Kongeaadal school, 161 miles southwest of Copenhagen.

...it's just more Christian bigotry? Considering the bigotry of the BSA, I wouldn't be surprised in that case.

aaglo · January 24, 2003, 09:25

It was supposable, that those foreigners wouldn't understand the 'black man' game.

Pekka · January 24, 2003, 09:26

azazel, lighten up!

It was fun!

aaglo · January 24, 2003, 09:27

[edit] I should read more carefully

[edit2] I have an excuse; we have had a couple of drinks here at the office. A special occasion.

Pekka · January 24, 2003, 09:28

That was to Azazel aaglo.. no wonder you have your finnish mixed up too!

Anyway, if I ever get into trouble, I'm going to use that as an excuse, since I was subjected to horrible 'games' when I was kid..

MRT144 · January 24, 2003, 09:32

what about the horrible games you play now in the sauna pekka