United Kingdom's Status

[Drogue]

Nope, but we think America doesn't either. To the rest of the world it may look like we're Americanised, but many, if not most people in the UK hate America. The trouble is, we seem to hate Europe too We're becoming more isolationist in opinion, or so ti seems. It is just the Government with its grand plan, because foreign policy is much more fun than domestic stuff they know whats best for us

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Drogue
Nope, but we think America doesn't either. To the rest of the world it may look like we're Americanised, but many, if not most people in the UK hate America. The trouble is, we seem to hate Europe too We're becoming more isolationist in opinion, or so ti seems. It is just the Government with its grand plan, because foreign policy is much more fun than domestic stuff they know whats best for us

No no....You see, its you whom have been AMERICANIZED. Rebelling against everyone, becoming isolationists.......Its the Americans whom have become BRITISHIZED. Fat, arrogent, stupid.....

See?

[Sandman]

I tried watching the Superbowl last night in order to better understand Americans.

I gave up.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Tassadar5000
Rebelling against everyone, becoming isolationists.......

Americans have never been isolationist.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by DinoDoc

Americans have never been isolationist.

Pre WW2 maybe? Post cold war maybe?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Tassadar5000
Pre WW2 maybe? Post cold war maybe?

The answer to both questions is no. Try again.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Originally posted by Tassadar5000


The fact that the independant option is winning is a sign that the British are still stuck in the past.

They all probably think they still have empire!!!

And is having two moronic options a sign of advancment

[Drogue]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
The answer to both questions is no. Try again.

I would have considered pre-WW2 USA to be isolationist. They did not get involved in the War until Pearl Harbour, and were "following a policy of isolationism" as my old history textbook says.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by DinoDoc

The answer to both questions is no. Try again.

Maybe not post cold war, but the United States pre-ww2 was COMPLETLY isolationist

[orange]

Originally posted by MrFun


So I earned A's in almost all of my history courses in college, got nominated for the All-American Scholar Collegiate Award twice, been on the Dean's List three times, earned an A on my major's capstone research paper, and a Phi Alpha Theta member because of my poor reading comprehension?


And it's not difficult to discern your "real subtle" words of Gay bigot against Southerners.

oooh, another masturbation thread? Me next me next!

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Tassadar5000
Maybe not post cold war, but the United States pre-ww2 was COMPLETLY isolationist

I would wager that you don't even know what the word means. That would explain the idiotic overuse of the smilie.

[Drogue]

Maybe not (although I'll wager he does) but that doesn't stop what is a valid point. All you have said is 'no it isn't. Try again.' Why does that make you any more knowledgeable than Tass on this?

[Nubclear]

What a nice personal attack. Do you have any more?

[DinoDoc]

What a nice personal attack. Do you have any more?

Since for some odd reason we seem to be focusing on America's actions prior to WW2, let pluck just a few "isolationist" examples throughout its history prior to WW2:
1) The Lend/Lease Act of 1941
2) Strangling the Japanese war machine with an embargo instituted that same year.
3) The Monroe Doctrine
4) The Quasi-War with France
5) War of 1812
6) Spanish-American War
7) Our "adventures" in the Phillipines
8) "Stealing" Panama from Columbia

I can even find more examples of our "isolationist" bent throughout time if you like. I can also try and explain the meaning of the term "offshore balancer" to you as well, Tass.

[Shi Huangdi]

People of Britain: You need no longer worry over political issues. His Toniness can now take care of it for you.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by DinoDoc

Quote:

What a nice personal attack. Do you have any more?

Since for some odd reason we seem to be focusing on America's actions prior to WW2, let pluck just a few "isolationist" examples throughout its history prior to WW2:
1) The Lend/Lease Act of 1941
2) Strangling the Japanese war machine with an embargo instituted that same year.
3) The Monroe Doctrine
4) The Quasi-War with France
5) War of 1812
6) Spanish-American War
7) Our "adventures" in the Phillipines
8) "Stealing" Panama from Columbia

I can even find more examples of our "isolationist" bent throughout time if you like. I can also try and explain the meaning of the term "offshore balancer" to you as well, Tass.

I am guessing here that he means immediately pre WW2

as in 1919-1939

Jon Miller

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Jon Miller


I am guessing here that he means immediately pre WW2

as in 1919-1939

Jon Miller

Yep. Up to Pearl Harbor, the US didnt really concern itself all that much with international affairs.

Now on the other hand.....

[Nubclear]

Why does that option now 2 to 1?! The UK isn't independant....

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
I am guessing here that he means immediately pre WW2

That's not really relevent to this point.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by DinoDoc

That's not really relevent to this point.

Go respond to my other thread.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Tassadar5000


Yep. Up to Pearl Harbor, the US didnt really concern itself all that much with international affairs.

Now on the other hand.....

Not true. The Monroe Doctrine and the Polk Doctrine effectively turned the Western hemisphere into an 'American intervention only' reserve. Irrespective of that, America intervened militarily in the Philippines, ostensibly during the Spanish American War of 1898 to 'liberate' the Philippines, then carried on a brutal war of occupation killing Filipinos they were there meant to be liberating. Bizarrely, I believe this is called 'the Filipino Insurrection' in some American history books.

Before World War II, America intervened in:

Cuba, Guam, Puerto Rico, the Philippines, Mexico, Nicaragua (on more than one occasion), Panama, Haiti, Colombia, Peru, the Dominican Republic, Honduras, Costa Rica, China, and Hawaii.

The United States after all, expanded at the expense of France, Spain, Mexico and Great Britain- and the Native Americans of course.

[Demerzel]

ooh the chance to become an American...

I'd rather become a Frenchman than be an American.

[Nubclear]

But it didnt concern itself with WORLD affairs. That was all under the sort of management of Europe.

IIRC. I know very little American history, so I'll probably lose this debate.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Tassadar5000
But it didnt concern itself with WORLD affairs. That was all under the sort of management of Europe.

IIRC. I know very little American history, so I'll probably lose this debate.

Excuse me? Since when are either the Philippines or China off-shore interests of the United States?

There is no border with Nicaragua, either, and Haiti had been an independent republic in the 18th Century- like the States.

America smoothly slipped into the role of major investor/exploiter in South America that had been Great Britain's, prior to World War I. And the Spanish-American War gave strategic naval bases and opportunities for commercial expansion in the Western Pacific- which to my mind is not naturally an 'American' lake.

Unless you consider Central America and the Caribbean to be legitimately the sole preserve of American financial/military adventurers and not be worthy of self-determination and independence, then they also constitute 'the world' and not just cash cows for Standard Oil, National City Bank and the United Fruit Company.

[Drake Tungsten]

If America had been truly isolationist before WWII, Pearl Harbor would never have happened. It was America's attempts to stop Japanese expansion in Asia through economic sanctions that led to war.

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by Demerzel
ooh the chance to become an American...

I'd rather become a Frenchman than be an American.

oww, now that really hurts...

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by orange


oooh, another masturbation thread? Me next me next!

eh?
No comprende

[Nubclear]

Seeing my defeat a few posts away, I'll bow out now.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by molly bloom



Not true. The Monroe Doctrine and the Polk Doctrine effectively turned the Western hemisphere into an 'American intervention only' reserve. Irrespective of that, America intervened militarily in the Philippines, ostensibly during the Spanish American War of 1898 to 'liberate' the Philippines, then carried on a brutal war of occupation killing Filipinos they were there meant to be liberating. Bizarrely, I believe this is called 'the Filipino Insurrection' in some American history books.

Before World War II, America intervened in:

Cuba, Guam, Puerto Rico, the Philippines, Mexico, Nicaragua (on more than one occasion), Panama, Haiti, Colombia, Peru, the Dominican Republic, Honduras, Costa Rica, China, and Hawaii.

The United States after all, expanded at the expense of France, Spain, Mexico and Great Britain- and the Native Americans of course.

The Fillipino Inssurection is what is used in rhetorical, feel-good, run-of-the-mill textbooks. But the Inssurection part is really inaccurate, since Filipinos mark their independence year of 1898.

[Drake Tungsten]

But the Inssurection part is really inaccurate, since Filipinos mark their independence year of 1898.

What does that have to do with anything? The United States claims to have gained independence in 1776; that doesn't mean that our insurrection against the British Empire never happened...