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Old February 4, 2003, 21:08   #91
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It's possible he doesn't know what being gay means.
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Old February 4, 2003, 21:13   #92
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Yes, we must awaken his militant gay persona - so much more fun than the bleeding heart liberal persona.
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Old February 4, 2003, 21:15   #93
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why, being happy of course....

oh, we stopped using that definition?
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No, that weakens your point, IMO. The insinuation was that marrage makes men happier. That isn't the case. The kids are what makes the man happy. The marriage doesn't have to exist for that to occur.
The broad insinuation is that the intimacy and companionship of a marriage make men happier, especially since men have trouble finding these things outside of romantic relationships. Kids contribute to that, but its not the same as having a spouse -- that is, a fellow adult who plans to live with you forever, and not just until college starts. I suppose, though, it would be interesting to see the numbers crunched for childless married men versus divorced men with children.
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Another factor of increasing divorces is the higher life expectancy. 50 or 60 year old people take an important part in divorces, or other separations such as suicide.
During the renaissance, and during the indutrial era for the poor, a marriage would last about 12 years before somebody dies. Today, the life expectancy makes it possibles for marriages to last 70 years or more. It is a very different kind of commitment.

Also, we really shouldn't forget the importance of role models (it has been surprisingly little adressed in this thread). Children from separated families have much, much more chances to divorce in the future. Heck, I even know an unmarried girl who is planning her divorce already
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The broad insinuation is that the intimacy and companionship of a marriage make men happier, especially since men have trouble finding these things outside of romantic relationships. Kids contribute to that, but its not the same as having a spouse -- that is, a fellow adult who plans to live with you forever, and not just until college starts. I suppose, though, it would be interesting to see the numbers crunched for childless married men versus divorced men with children.
I think that would be an interesting study, because it seems to me that even when all the 'magic' is gone, people stick together because of their mutual love for their kids. The intimacy and companionship of their spouse doesn't matter nearly as much as the love for you kid.
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Another factor of increasing divorces is the higher life expectancy. 50 or 60 year old people take an important part in divorces, or other separations such as suicide.
During the renaissance, and during the indutrial era for the poor, a marriage would last about 12 years before somebody dies. Today, the life expectancy makes it possibles for marriages to last 70 years or more. It is a very different kind of commitment.
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divorces as 50 and 60 do not make up a significant ammount of the divorces

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Yes, we must awaken his militant gay persona - so much more fun than the bleeding heart liberal persona.
Hey.

In spite of the difficulties that the heterosexist, homophobic society does to prevent gays from establishing stable, monogamous relationships, there are many gays who have become very happy in such relationships -- even if they are not legally recognized.

Gays are perfectly capable of being very happy, in stable, monogamous relationships in spite of societal obstacles that encourage rampant promiscuity.
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Cool.

But don't round on me - I was one of the liberals who made this forum safe for people like you.
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Cool.

But don't round on me - I was one of the liberals who made this forum safe for people like you.
You're a liberal with an inflated ego.

But hey, you're still likeable.
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During the renaissance, and during the indutrial era for the poor, a marriage would last about 12 years before somebody dies. Today, the life expectancy makes it possibles for marriages to last 70 years or more. It is a very different kind of commitment.
If you quote me, credit me Spiffor. The question is can people today sustain such a marriage for 50 years? I think they can, but more needs to be done to help people see marriage as a life-long commitment. Pre-marital counselling is a big benefit.

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Why? To paraphrase Chaucer, is the world today not as sturdy as it was before?
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